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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: blackviper90210 on 01 January 2014, 15:05:20
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Hi all, happy new year to you all!!
Not sure why, but my blowers have stopped working. Where and what fuse should I check first all please, or is there another possible cause??
Many thanks,
Dave
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Has the scuttle drain been blocked? Any sign of dampness in passenger footwell?
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Fuses under steering wheel, anything else not working? Worth checking #14 & #15
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Fuse #33. Big one @ top left hand corner of cabin fusebox
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Hi guys, thanks for the fast replies.
Just checked the fuses mentioned and footwell.
Fuses all intact and footwell bone dry ??? ???
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Blower and "hedgehog" controller up behind glove box. Check blower working by applying 12V direct - if it is, most probably the controller gone.
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any water in the back passenger floor under carpet.
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Blower and "hedgehog" controller up behind glove box. Check blower working by applying 12V direct - if it is, most probably the controller gone.
Cheer dbug, I'll have to look at the weekend now as it's getting too dark and in work tomorrow :(
Thanks for the heads up on that though. I don't suppose you have a picture of what I'm looking for do you by any chance or can I not miss it? :o
Cheers again!
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Blower and "hedgehog" controller up behind glove box. Check blower working by applying 12V direct - if it is, most probably the controller gone.
Cheer dbug, I'll have to look at the weekend now as it's getting too dark and in work tomorrow :(
Thanks for the heads up on that though. I don't suppose you have a picture of what I'm looking for do you by any chance or can I not miss it? :o
Cheers again!
Search and thou will find ;) - http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90661.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90661.0)
Done a couple now and never needed to remove air bag - just left it in situ.
Hedgehog to right top of blower motor - just unclips ;)
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Blower and "hedgehog" controller up behind glove box. Check blower working by applying 12V direct - if it is, most probably the controller gone.
Cheer dbug, I'll have to look at the weekend now as it's getting too dark and in work tomorrow :(
Thanks for the heads up on that though. I don't suppose you have a picture of what I'm looking for do you by any chance or can I not miss it? :o
Cheers again!
Search and thou will find ;) - http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90661.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90661.0)
Done a couple now and never needed to remove air bag - just left it in situ.
Hedgehog to right top of blower motor - just unclips ;)
Much appreciated mate, thank you! :y
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Hi Dave,
Not sure if it's the same thing but had a similar problem with my Vectra C and it turned out to be the heater blower motor behind the glovebox had seized up etc. :(
HTH
Paul :y
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Hi Dave,
Not sure if it's the same thing but had a similar problem with my Vectra C and it turned out to be the heater blower motor behind the glovebox had seized up etc. :(
HTH
Paul :y
Cheers Paul, you've cheered me up now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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hello Dbug You say you have changed 2 Where did I go wrong when I tried to take one out of my last omega. I ended breaking off both support lugs. I could not find a way to hold a new hedgehog in and ended up selling the car. It was very cold when I did it maybe the plastic lugs needed heating up prior to removal. Any tips in case I ever have to do it again. Bring it to you? :y
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Hi Dave,
Not sure if it's the same thing but had a similar problem with my Vectra C and it turned out to be the heater blower motor behind the glovebox had seized up etc. :(
HTH
Paul :y
Cheers Paul, you've cheered me up now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
They usually squeak long before they seize ::) a bit of oil goes a long way...
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hello Dbug You say you have changed 2 Where did I go wrong when I tried to take one out of my last omega. I ended breaking off both support lugs. I could not find a way to hold a new hedgehog in and ended up selling the car. It was very cold when I did it maybe the plastic lugs needed heating up prior to removal. Any tips in case I ever have to do it again. Bring it to you? :y
Did one of mine in minus temps - just need to be careful and not force anything ;)
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Blower and "hedgehog" controller up behind glove box. Check blower working by applying 12V direct - if it is, most probably the controller gone.
Maybe a dumb question to some, but how would I get to apply 12v direct to the blower? Just run a wire straight from the battery. ??? ???
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Blower and "hedgehog" controller up behind glove box. Check blower working by applying 12V direct - if it is, most probably the controller gone.
Maybe a dumb question to some, but how would I get to apply 12v direct to the blower? Just run a wire straight from the battery. ??? ???
Just bypass controller, or wire direct from battery as you said, or from spare battery or 12v power pack ;)
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Ok, still not having any joy.
Glove box out and can see the connector on the side of the blower motor directly below, what I think is the hedgehog??
Do I just run a single live wire to the red wire on the plug of the blower motor?
TIA :y
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Also, how the hell does that motor blower plug come out? It doesn't just pull out?? ???
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Easier to pop the hedgehog out. Then bridge the two large connectors and if the fan doesn`t spin it`s donald
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Easier to pop the hedgehog out. Then bridge the two large connectors and if the fan doesn`t spin it`s donald
I've seen the guide to getting the blower motor out, but how do I get the controller out please?
I've gone as far as removing the glovebox and able to view the blower motor plug and I assume the controller above it??
TIA :y
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Follow cables from motor, that will lead to speed controller, which is installed in the ducting
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Hedgehog is top right of blower motor as you look at it. Its just clipped in - careful not to break the plastic lugs though (not an issue if its nackered ;)) - replacement just clips in :y
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Dont break off the plastic clips in the ducting when removing hedgehog, as I did, or you are lost.I would eliminate everything else befor taking out hedgehog.
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I'm following advice from RobG and removing the hedgehog to bridge the 2 large connectors to see if the blower spins.
Having a bloody nightmare with this bloody thing. >:(
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Just been out to the car again for 2mins (Skiving out of the office) and had another look in the foot well.
Pulled a plug off the back of the hedgehog which then runs down a short distance to the motor, although there appears to be another small plug going into the hedgehog?
Do I apply 12v to the red wire on the large block I have just pulled out of the hedgehog? ???
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Finally made some progress, yep the light bulb finally came on ;D ;D
After unplugging the 2 blade wires, brown & red off the controller, I used a set of jump leads from the battery to the leads. As soon as I connected them the blower kicked in at high speed.
That then identifies that the controller is kaput. Going to see if I can remove the current controller ready for a replacement ::)
Thanks all for your guidance and patience so far guys n girls :y
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Finally made some progress, yep the light bulb finally came on ;D ;D
After unplugging the 2 blade wires, brown & red off the controller, I used a set of jump leads from the battery to the leads. As soon as I connected them the blower kicked in at high speed.
That then identifies that the controller is kaput. Going to see if I can remove the current controller
ready for a replacement ::)
Thanks all for your guidance and patience so far guys n girls :y
Carefully, or you`ll snap one or both of the retaining clips
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Rob, the retaining clips, do they push apart from the controller or do you push inwards and withdraw?
I've only removed the glovebox and nothing else so far, as didn't want to strip the airbag and wiring out unless I needed to, so it's a bit tight to see how it is clipped in. :-X
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Rob, the retaining clips, do they push apart from the controller or do you push inwards and withdraw?
I've only removed the glovebox and nothing else so far, as didn't want to strip the airbag and wiring out unless I needed to, so it's a bit tight to see how it is clipped in. :-X
:)
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Cheers Rob. I did snap one of the retaining clips, but even then it was still stuck solid. Managed to wiggle it out without breaking the other one though, phew :)
Are the hedgehogs all the same part No.?
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90 566 802
Don`t buy new unless you`ve got a fat wallet ;D
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90 566 802
Don`t buy new unless you`ve got a fat wallet ;D
I have a fellow OOFer who messaged me that he had one if needed. I've sent him a message and awaiting a reply now. Be glad when I finally get this sorted so I've got heat and demisters again!!
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Astra G use same hedgehog if you need to widen your search ;)
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Astra G use same hedgehog if you need to widen your search ;)
Cheers for that mate. Said OOFer is posting one to me today and hopefully get it on Monday!!
Just out of curiosity, how does the hedgehog work?
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Astra G use same hedgehog if you need to widen your search ;)
Cheers for that mate. Said OOFer is posting one to me today and hopefully get it on Monday!!
Just out of curiosity, how does the hedgehog work?
Its a relatively simple solid state speed controller.
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Ok, now I'm really hacked off >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
My replacement hedgehog unit arrived yesterday evening, happy days, or so I thought ???
Went out this morning and plugged the hedgehog in, turned the ignition on, turned the blowers on........NOTHING. Still dead >:(
Now I originally checked all the fuses mentioned previously - all fine
Gave the blower motor direct power - Spins fine.
Could this be an issue with the CC unit?
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Are you sure the hedgehog was alive :y
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I was told it was " as new " ???
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Just curious...... I've only connected the hedgehog loose in the footwell. It doesn't have to be in its proper location to "work" does it?
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I am assuming that facelift wiring is the same as pfl, but when mine failed it was the loom between the hedgehog and fan. On my car the wires come out of the hedgehog and into a plug, then from that plug to the fan, it was that plug in the middle that had a duff connection. I ended up making a new loom.
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Howdy all, The hedgehog was as new and came from my previous Mig and had been fitted very recently as part of a major and expensive heating overhaul to solve the same problem Dave is having. Had a chat with Dave and am more than happy to refund should it turn out to have died in the post but is there anything else in the heating system this could be chaps, feeling a bit grim as a fellow OOfer is in need of his blowers ???
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The system works by the CC unit giving a variable voltage signal to the fan controller, whose job is to convert that signal into a high current capable variable voltage to the fan (obviously, the CC isn't man enough to drive the fan directly).
So, assuming CC has been reset, either CC not giving signal, signal not getting from CC to fan controller, fan controller fault, power not getting from fan controller to fan, or fan faulty.
Some of these have already been checked - fan, speed controller etc.
If you've recently had the HU out, might be worth checking the plugs and wiring going to back of CC unit.
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Howdy all, The hedgehog was as new and came from my previous Mig and had been fitted very recently as part of a major and expensive heating overhaul to solve the same problem Dave is having. Had a chat with Dave and am more than happy to refund should it turn out to have died in the post but is there anything else in the heating system this could be chaps, feeling a bit grim as a fellow OOfer is in need of his blowers ???
Cheers for the chat earlier Jon and thank you for your offer or a refund, but as I said to you, before I even look down that route, I want to make sure it's nothing else that may be causing this issue!!
I'll take a look at the loom between the hedgehog and blower next as just been suggested by al brown :y
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Is there 12V going to resistor :-\
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Is there 12V going to resistor :-\
Sorry Rob! That means nothing to me :-[ :-[
I've just been out and had another look. With the hedgehog in the footwell all connected...nothing.
Running a live feed from the battery to the red blade wire on the hedgehog, the bower kicks in.
I take it that means the hedgehog is fine??
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F@&king car.
Just about had a guts full today, along with the bloody rain >:( >:( >:(
With the hedgehog connected via a direct feed from the battery, the blowers all work with variable speed etc.
I've pulled all the centre console all out and all wires look ok. Plugging just the cc unit in and tapping off a glovebox live feed direct to the hedgehog, it all works still.
That'll do for now, at least I'll have blowers on the windscreen in the morning. Put the radio cage back in along with the black plastic housing surrounding it, plugged the cc unit back in and guess what....... It's stopped bloody working again >:(
FFS, what is it with this bloody car ???
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Sounds like you're close then :y
So not a totally wasted day ;)
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Sounds like you're close then :y
So not a totally wasted day ;)
True I guess TB, just bloody frustrating :(
If I feed the hedgehog from another source if I can't find the break in the current feed, will that be ok.... Electrically wise?
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Hedgehog is fed from F33 (nothing else is), so check F33
I thought you said all fuses were OK though. But double check this one, if only to make an old man like me happy.
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Hedgehog is fed from F33 (nothing else is), so check F33
I thought you said all fuses were OK though. But double check this one, if only to make an old man like me happy.
I did check all fuses as per the start of my thread and they were all fine. I'll double check F33 again though. I did check and swop around 13,14 & 15 today just to make sure those were good but did forget the big boy F33.
Cheers TB :y
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Well TB, your right again 8) 8)
Just slipped out of the office and peeked at F33.... its now blown??
Oh well, it didn't like something somewhere ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Well TB, your right again 8) 8)
Just slipped out of the office and peeked at F33.... its now blown??
Oh well, it didn't like something somewhere ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Is there a chance it was blown already and is the source of your blower problems, or the old hedgehog was fubared and blew the fuse ?
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Well TB, your right again 8) 8)
Just slipped out of the office and peeked at F33.... its now blown??
Oh well, it didn't like something somewhere ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Is there a chance it was blown already and is the source of your blower problems, or the old hedgehog was fubared and blew the fuse ?
No chance. I pulled all 3 big fuses including F33 and were fine. Looked today and F33 was slightly browned and quite a large gap where it had blown.
No chance it was missed, even by me, lol.
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Pinched wire behind/above the radio then. Pull the entire cage assembly and check the wires closely :y
Might find that the extra wiring from the Parrot kit is taking up a bit too much space there :-\
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Pinched wire behind/above the radio then. Pull the entire cage assembly and check the wires closely :y
Might find that the extra wiring from the Parrot kit is taking up a bit too much space there :-\
It's starting to look that way :-\
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Might find that the extra wiring from the Parrot kit is taking up a bit too much space there :-\
That was my thought...
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How I miss my cortina and Morris Ital. there was loads of space behind the stereo!! Lol
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How I miss my cortina and Morris Ital. there was loads of space behind the stereo!! Lol
I can think of many things to say about Cortinas and Itals. "Miss" is not one of them, both awful examples from awful manufacturers.
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How I miss my cortina and Morris Ital. there was loads of space behind the stereo!! Lol
I can think of many things to say about Cortinas and Itals. "Miss" is not one of them, both awful examples from awful manufacturers.
As a teenager with a new licence, they were the ultimate ;D ;D ;D
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How I miss my cortina and Morris Ital. there was loads of space behind the stereo!! Lol
I can think of many things to say about Cortinas and Itals. "Miss" is not one of them, both awful examples from awful manufacturers.
As a teenager with a new licence, they were the ultimate ;D ;D ;D
I was never, ever that desperate. Though I did have a works provided Ital. Unsurprisingly it was an absolute heap of shite, until it blew away one day.