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Title: Omega battery and things
Post by: omega3000 on 05 January 2014, 18:52:13
Omega will be off the road for a while so should i take battery off  :-\ Only trouble with that is wont be able to start it , but i heard starting the car up just to warm it up can do more harm than good  ??? So will omega be ok just left standing outside .. maybe put it up on stands and take wheels off  :-\
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: MR MISTER on 05 January 2014, 18:58:09
It will seize up and fall to bits, but it will do that anyway  ;D
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: omega3000 on 05 January 2014, 19:11:24
This will be long term storage so going to cover with a tarp , maybe in ten years time omega will be resurrected  ??? Probably take plugs out and fill cylinders with oil  ???
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: MR MISTER on 05 January 2014, 19:15:50
This will be long term storage so going to cover with a tarp , maybe in ten years time omega will be resurrected  ??? Probably take plugs out and fill cylinders with oil  ???
"Off the road for a while".....you're not kidding. Ten years?
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: BazaJT on 05 January 2014, 19:33:17
You can get arguments for and against starting it up to warm through.I think if you raise it onto axle stands or similar to take the weight off the tyres then there's no need to actually remove the wheels[I stand to be corrected on this]But whatever you do do not cover it with a tarp!!A proper car cover then fine but never ever a tarp,unless of course you want to repaint the car when you uncover it again!
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: omega3000 on 05 January 2014, 19:37:56
You can get arguments for and against starting it up to warm through.I think if you raise it onto axle stands or similar to take the weight off the tyres then there's no need to actually remove the wheels[I stand to be corrected on this]But whatever you do do not cover it with a tarp!!A proper car cover then fine but never ever a tarp,unless of course you want to repaint the car when you uncover it again!

Point taken Baza  ;) I'll look out for a proper cover . At least while its raised off the ground a few jobs can be done underneath ie wax oiled ect  :)
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 January 2014, 20:46:31
Omega will be off the road for a while so should i take battery off  :-\ Only trouble with that is wont be able to start it , but i heard starting the car up just to warm it up can do more harm than good  ??? So will omega be ok just left standing outside .. maybe put it up on stands and take wheels off  :-\

Indeed it can. Leave it alone until you intend to drive it again. Engines don't forget how to run and don't feel the cold. ;)
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: omega3000 on 05 January 2014, 23:12:56
Omega will be off the road for a while so should i take battery off  :-\ Only trouble with that is wont be able to start it , but i heard starting the car up just to warm it up can do more harm than good  ??? So will omega be ok just left standing outside .. maybe put it up on stands and take wheels off  :-\

Indeed it can. Leave it alone until you intend to drive it again. Engines don't forget how to run and don't feel the cold. ;)

I thought as much Kevin , although i use to start my older cars capri that sat for 2 years in the garage but the battery needed charging a lot without a run . Not much else to do then apart from taking the battery off and sling a cover over it  :)
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Kevin Wood on 06 January 2014, 00:34:10
Yep, remove battery and put it on a conditioner, leave the car alone. :y
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 January 2014, 00:38:36
Fill the bores wit oil....?
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: M Kerr on 06 January 2014, 00:59:39
I believe... left not turnoed over for a VERY long time the rings can partially "weld to the cylenders", hence the oiling.  I think though that just a general spray with 3 in 1 is the job.  All you're trying to protect are the rings.  I'd put the plugs back in and close the bores from ambient moisture.

could all be rubbish of course... :P
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 January 2014, 01:04:47
The bores will be oiled as normal. Provided the engine is shut down once properly hot, there will be zero moisture in the bore.

Old wives tail it seems to me.

I hope so. My Fireblade has been in the garage untouched for, must be 3 years now. Engine shut off after a track day, removed battery, left in garage. I guess time will tell. ;D
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Webby the Bear on 06 January 2014, 01:11:42
How come the Omega's being put to sleep, Steve?
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: omega3000 on 06 January 2014, 13:47:15
How come the Omega's being put to sleep, Steve?

Its gone into early retirement  ;D Preserved to be reborn in ten yrs or so .. meanwhile the minor jobs that need doing will be done while its up on the stands  ;)

So oil in plug wells or not  ???
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Entwood on 06 January 2014, 14:11:39
If left standing for an extended length the engine can get internal corrosion of the cylinders, as any oil on the surface will gradually drop under gravity, and the cylinders are open to atmosphere via the valves.. it is impossible for all the valves to be closed at the same time !!

When I had the MGB off the road for 3 years the plugs were only in finger tight and every 2 months I put a tablespoon of light oil (3-in-0ne) into each cylinder then turned the engine over  2-3 times using a ratchet spanner to "spread" the oil - easy enough with all the plugs out - then reinserted the plugs finger tight. When the bodywork was complete and the engine was stripped there was no sign of any corrosion at all. As a bonus removing the coke/crud from piston tops and valves was very easy as well as it was well soaked after 3 years !

:)
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: 05omegav6 on 06 January 2014, 14:51:38
Is there any mileage in leaving the fuel tank either brimmed or totally empty to minimise condensation :-\
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: blackviper90210 on 06 January 2014, 15:01:24
I was led to believe that petrol does go "off" if left for too long, but not 100% I'm afraid  :-X
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: 05omegav6 on 06 January 2014, 15:37:45
I was led to believe that petrol does go "off" if left for too long, but not 100% I'm afraid  :-X
That rings a bell, but equally, if you don't brim a diesel tank, condensation allows bacterial growth which kills the fuel system in pretty short order :-\
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: omega3000 on 06 January 2014, 16:32:14
If left standing for an extended length the engine can get internal corrosion of the cylinders, as any oil on the surface will gradually drop under gravity, and the cylinders are open to atmosphere via the valves.. it is impossible for all the valves to be closed at the same time !!

When I had the MGB off the road for 3 years the plugs were only in finger tight and every 2 months I put a tablespoon of light oil (3-in-0ne) into each cylinder then turned the engine over  2-3 times using a ratchet spanner to "spread" the oil - easy enough with all the plugs out - then reinserted the plugs finger tight. When the bodywork was complete and the engine was stripped there was no sign of any corrosion at all. As a bonus removing the coke/crud from piston tops and valves was very easy as well as it was well soaked after 3 years !

:)

I'll get a can of 3 in one Mr E  ;) Not much fuel in the tank , never has been  :( Started it up today and she sounded good ... now to investigate oil burner  :-X
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Webby the Bear on 06 January 2014, 18:32:21
Are you doing like a time capsule but with a car?  :-\
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: omega3000 on 06 January 2014, 21:34:32
Are you doing like a time capsule but with a car?  :-\

Kind of , hopefully this will be one of those cars you will drool over when the rest have rust in piece  :-\
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Shackeng on 06 January 2014, 22:55:35
Omega will be off the road for a while so should i take battery off  :-\ Only trouble with that is wont be able to start it , but i heard starting the car up just to warm it up can do more harm than good  ??? So will omega be ok just left standing outside .. maybe put it up on stands and take wheels off  :-\

Indeed it can. Leave it alone until you intend to drive it again. Engines don't forget how to run and don't feel the cold. ;)

My neighbour has asked me to run his Lexus 400 for half an hour once a fortnight while he is away, so you would not recommend this? He will be away for about 6 months.
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 January 2014, 00:27:39
Omega will be off the road for a while so should i take battery off  :-\ Only trouble with that is wont be able to start it , but i heard starting the car up just to warm it up can do more harm than good  ??? So will omega be ok just left standing outside .. maybe put it up on stands and take wheels off  :-\

Indeed it can. Leave it alone until you intend to drive it again. Engines don't forget how to run and don't feel the cold. ;)

My neighbour has asked me to run his Lexus 400 for half an hour once a fortnight while he is away, so you would not recommend this? He will be away for about 6 months.

Tell him it would be kinder for you to give it an Italian tune-up. :y

Otherwise, just keep the battery charged. Every time you start the car, the exhaust and crank case get filled up with condensation and acidic combustion products, and without a good drive, there is never enough heat to drive them off again.
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Shackeng on 07 January 2014, 09:58:48
Omega will be off the road for a while so should i take battery off  :-\ Only trouble with that is wont be able to start it , but i heard starting the car up just to warm it up can do more harm than good  ??? So will omega be ok just left standing outside .. maybe put it up on stands and take wheels off  :-\

Indeed it can. Leave it alone until you intend to drive it again. Engines don't forget how to run and don't feel the cold. ;)

My neighbour has asked me to run his Lexus 400 for half an hour once a fortnight while he is away, so you would not recommend this? He will be away for about 6 months.

Tell him it would be kinder for you to give it an Italian tune-up. :y

Otherwise, just keep the battery charged. Every time you start the car, the exhaust and crank case get filled up with condensation and acidic combustion products, and without a good drive, there is never enough heat to drive them off again.

I agree, and not something I practice, however, he is not keen for me to drive it!
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: omega3000 on 07 January 2014, 13:32:03
Only thing that mite need looking at if a car is laid up for some time is the brakes  :-\ Only left the omega 5 days and when i went to move it the rear brakes creaked like they were locking on  ??? Never leave the handbrake on , i just leave it in park  :-\
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: ronnyd on 07 January 2014, 20:51:03
Only thing that mite need looking at if a car is laid up for some time is the brakes  :-\ Only left the omega 5 days and when i went to move it the rear brakes creaked like they were locking on  ??? Never leave the handbrake on , i just leave it in park  :-\
Re leaving handbrake off when parking, doesn,t this damage a small toggle or pin in the auto box. I may be wrong but
i think i have read it on this forum somewhere. Please inform me if i,m wrong. :-\
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Andy B on 07 January 2014, 21:08:46
Only thing that mite need looking at if a car is laid up for some time is the brakes  :-\ Only left the omega 5 days and when i went to move it the rear brakes creaked like they were locking on  ??? Never leave the handbrake on , i just leave it in park  :-\
Re leaving handbrake off when parking, doesn,t this damage a small toggle or pin in the auto box. I may be wrong but
i think i have read it on this forum somewhere. Please inform me if i,m wrong. :-\

If the car is left on more than a slight slope, then the parking pawl is loaded up. Unless I park my cars on said slope, it just goes into Park ..... never had a problem.  ;)
Title: Re: Omega battery and things
Post by: Entwood on 07 January 2014, 21:11:24
Come to a stop, handbrake on, select park .. no strain on the pawl whatsoever, and it acts like it should.

In the case of "laying up" .. if the car is on stands then leave the handbrake off .. seemples .. if on the floor, chock the wheels, release the handbrake, then select park .. no stress on the pawl ..

:)