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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: omega3000 on 08 January 2015, 17:39:04
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Spotted horse hair stuff coming from back box today >:( So will be needing a new back box , where do i get the recommended back box from and how long will it take to deliver ? Need it soon as possible unless someone has a spare in their garage :-\
Oh forgot to say , can the hair stuff be pulled out for now so i can still use the car :-\
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Last first, yes, pull out what you can, ok temporarily :y
Budget for a new exhaust though as it might have come from the centre boxes first... And you'll struggle to split them...
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Last first, yes, pull out what you can, ok temporarily :y
Budget for a new exhaust though as it might have come from the centre boxes first... And you'll struggle to split them...
Ok , guess the only way to tell is to split the back box and see where its coming from :-\
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Only with a grinder... ;D
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Only with a grinder... ;D
Well could always run it without the back box , not that loud is it ::) Anyway who do i order the exhaust from please ? :-\
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Serek has that stainless system :y
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Serek has that stainless system :y
Hm but will it be mot a ble ? Or does he mot his own :-\
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Only with a grinder... ;D
Well could always run it without the back box , not that loud is it ::) Anyway who do i order the exhaust from please ? :-\
Funny you should say that, last Exhaust I had fitted on my MFL V6 was at the VX Stealers (2 middle and rear box). I promptly went to collect when I was informed was ready ! On walking across car park I saw my car and noticed the Tail Pipe on them "New VX Exhausts" must be short as I could not see it :o On closer inspection I looked under the rear of my car to be greeted my two shiney middle section pipes looking at yer ! :D and NO rear box >:( Surely it would have been a bit "Throaty" when parking her !!!
I walked in and asked the service lady to "Come outside" ;) A suggested she look look under the rear of my car ( in the "very" short skirt aka Belt - not as I had noticed or the reason for making her look under the car 8)) and tell me what perhaps the issue may be !!!!! Ooooh Sir was the reply !!!!!! I had to wait another day as they did not have one in stock.
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Only with a grinder... ;D
Well could always run it without the back box , not that loud is it ::) Anyway who do i order the exhaust from please ? :-\
Funny you should say that, last Exhaust I had fitted on my MFL V6 was at the VX Stealers (2 middle and rear box). I promptly went to collect when I was informed was ready ! On walking across car park I saw my car and noticed the Tail Pipe on them "New VX Exhausts" must be short as I could not see it :o On closer inspection I looked under the rear of my car to be greeted my two shiney middle section pipes looking at yer ! :D and NO rear box >:( Surely it would have been a bit "Throaty" when parking her !!!
I walked in and asked the service lady to "Come outside" ;) A suggested she look look under the rear of my car ( in the "very" short skirt aka Belt - not as I had noticed or the reason for making her look under the car 8)) and tell me what perhaps the issue may be !!!!! Ooooh Sir was the reply !!!!!! I had to wait another day as they did not have one in stock.
Did you not start it and give it a rev or two :)
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Only with a grinder... ;D
Well could always run it without the back box , not that loud is it ::) Anyway who do i order the exhaust from please ? :-\
Funny you should say that, last Exhaust I had fitted on my MFL V6 was at the VX Stealers (2 middle and rear box). I promptly went to collect when I was informed was ready ! On walking across car park I saw my car and noticed the Tail Pipe on them "New VX Exhausts" must be short as I could not see it :o On closer inspection I looked under the rear of my car to be greeted my two shiney middle section pipes looking at yer ! :D and NO rear box >:( Surely it would have been a bit "Throaty" when parking her !!!
I walked in and asked the service lady to "Come outside" ;) A suggested she look look under the rear of my car ( in the "very" short skirt aka Belt - not as I had noticed or the reason for making her look under the car 8)) and tell me what perhaps the issue may be !!!!! Ooooh Sir was the reply !!!!!! I had to wait another day as they did not have one in stock.
Did you not start it and give it a rev or two :)
I was VERY tempted to start it and give a few revs whilst the "Lady" looked under the rear of my car :D
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Ill have a go at pulling some hair out tomorrow "not my own" ::)
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This happened to my back box on 2.6 I pulled out all the hair amazing how much came out. The car didnt sound any different so I run it now as is untill I need the whole centre section. It passed the mot in this condition
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This happened to my back box on 2.6 I pulled out all the hair amazing how much came out. The car didnt sound any different so I run it now as is untill I need the whole centre section. It passed the mot in this condition
Thats handy to know mate , thanks ;)
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This happened to my back box on 2.6 I pulled out all the hair amazing how much came out. The car didnt sound any different so I run it now as is untill I need the whole centre section. It passed the mot in this condition
Same with mine last year after an "enthusiastic" launch from the lights !
6ft tail ! I cut it off as fsr up tail pipe as imcould and poked the small section back .
No change to engine and exhaust note and tail never come back.
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Mine did the same ..pulled out loads of it...keep an eye on it because mine just kept coming out for a few days and eventually it was all out....However as taxi al told me and has said to you....it may be the centre box....in my case i believe he was correct.still driving it as it is a do not notice any difference but will fit complete new exhaust just before m.o.t. :y :y
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Pulled a big hand full out both pipes ... gave the car a few
blasts then pulled a bit more out . Shone a torch up pipe and
all clear . Will keep an eye in it but car back box sounds
more throaty ::)
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When you pull the tail out make sure you wear gloves as it will make your hands itch like hell the next day.Also a 3mm
rod bent to a small hook is a handy thing to have.
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When you pull the tail out make sure you wear gloves as it will make your hands itch like hell the next day.Also a 3mm
rod bent to a small hook is a handy thing to have.
Yes , i did take the precaution of wearing gloves ;) Took the car for a blast this afternoon and no more has come out . The hair stuff was soaking wet , amazing how the car even ran with all that blocking the tail pipe :-\
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When you pull the tail out make sure you wear gloves as it will make your hands itch like hell the next day.Also a 3mm
rod bent to a small hook is a handy thing to have.
Yes , i did take the precaution of wearing gloves ;) Took the car for a blast this afternoon and no more has come out . The hair stuff was soaking wet , amazing how the car even ran with all that blocking the tail pipe :-\
It kept coming out on mine, i cut the old back box up when new one was fitted and the pipe through the centre was
was completely rotted away and this was letting the glass fibre filling through and out the back. there was miles of it.
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A small word of advice (?) or perhaps just my bad luck ..
on the old 2.5 I had the same appearance of "hair" from the exhaust and, as several here have done, I pulled out all I could and continued driving as all seemed OK ....... it was for quite a few weeks .... until one day doing a "shade" over 70 on the motorway the car suddenly lost all power - or so it seemed - (luckily it was late and there was no-one behind me) and a very rapid deceleration took place ... few seconds later there was a bloody HUGE bang that shook the whole car (and nearly caused a "brown trouser" moment) followed by a "scraping" sound and the engine picked up to normal .... on pulling onto the hard shoulder and after a few deep breathes it was obvious that the centre box had completely disintegrated and the pipe was dragging on the floor !!
It seems that the collapsing of the internals and the shedding of the "horse hair" had eventually completely blocked the exhaust flow - leading to the loss of power - followed by the built up pressure literally blowingthe system apart !!
Funny in hindsight ... but if there had been something very close behind me, or traffic had seen me in the outer lane and not the inner one .... it "could" have all gotten painful ... AA relay got me home and a new exhaust fixed it ... but all I say is ... be aware that it "might" bite you in the bum .... :(
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A small word of advice (?) or perhaps just my bad luck ..
on the old 2.5 I had the same appearance of "hair" from the exhaust and, as several here have done, I pulled out all I could and continued driving as all seemed OK ....... it was for quite a few weeks .... until one day doing a "shade" over 70 on the motorway the car suddenly lost all power - or so it seemed - (luckily it was late and there was no-one behind me) and a very rapid deceleration took place ... few seconds later there was a bloody HUGE bang that shook the whole car (and nearly caused a "brown trouser" moment) followed by a "scraping" sound and the engine picked up to normal .... on pulling onto the hard shoulder and after a few deep breathes it was obvious that the centre box had completely disintegrated and the pipe was dragging on the floor !!
It seems that the collapsing of the internals and the shedding of the "horse hair" had eventually completely blocked the exhaust flow - leading to the loss of power - followed by the built up pressure literally blowingthe system apart !!
Funny in hindsight ... but if there had been something very close behind me, or traffic had seen me in the outer lane and not the inner one .... it "could" have all gotten painful ... AA relay got me home and a new exhaust fixed it ... but all I say is ... be aware that it "might" bite you in the bum .... :(
Thanks for heads up. Any change to engine or exhaust note and I shall get a complete new system fitted. Looks like the Eternal clamshell ones appear popular and as close to the GM one I still have on the car after 10 years :y
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That has scared us into action Dr Andy B let us know how you get on with Eternal I tried sorting an exhaust with them but found it rather difficult.Are there any local suppliers that make good systems.
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A small word of advice (?) or perhaps just my bad luck ..
on the old 2.5 I had the same appearance of "hair" from the exhaust and, as several here have done, I pulled out all I could and continued driving as all seemed OK ....... it was for quite a few weeks .... until one day doing a "shade" over 70 on the motorway the car suddenly lost all power - or so it seemed - (luckily it was late and there was no-one behind me) and a very rapid deceleration took place ... few seconds later there was a bloody HUGE bang that shook the whole car (and nearly caused a "brown trouser" moment) followed by a "scraping" sound and the engine picked up to normal .... on pulling onto the hard shoulder and after a few deep breathes it was obvious that the centre box had completely disintegrated and the pipe was dragging on the floor !!
It seems that the collapsing of the internals and the shedding of the "horse hair" had eventually completely blocked the exhaust flow - leading to the loss of power - followed by the built up pressure literally blowing the system apart !!
Funny in hindsight ... but if there had been something very close behind me, or traffic had seen me in the outer lane and not the inner one .... it "could" have all gotten painful ... AA relay got me home and a new exhaust fixed it ... but all I say is ... be aware that it "might" bite you in the bum .... :(
I had a very similar experience, only mine was losing power gradually to the point where it wouldn`t pull the skin off a rice pudding. I was looking for all sorts of faults but never thought about a blocked exhaust (no horse hair) until the day i was overtaking a 4x4 towing a caravan uphill, third gear and really struggling to get past and then BOOM, car takes off like a scalded cat, cloud of soot and a baffle bouncing into the offside verge wrapped in a ball of horse hair. The back box had split down the seam and the baffle had come out of the side and hit the heat shield at the side of the fuel tank.
A couple of weeks later the fuel tank needed replacing as it had started leaking from a small split where the baffle hit it.
That one did bite me in the bum :(
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Had that too, fortunately the back box only split, and didn't damage the heatshield/boot floor, though being an estate probably helped that as the back box is further outboard :-\
They don't half go bang though :o ;D
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Taxi Al I assume that that means that the back box was blocked so tacking out the hair must help to stop a build up of pressure
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Time to get the angle grinder out then :(
Where do i order Eternal exhausts from ?
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Ebay :y
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Is this the place...
http://store.eternalcar.com/
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Is this the place...
http://store.eternalcar.com/
Doubt it :-\ apparently they don't do complete exhausts and list Bosal as a supplier... neither are a good sign :-X
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If its let the wadding out, its rusted badly, and will fall off soon anyway. Exhausts rot from inside outwards.
ETS or Eternal. ETS generally slightly cheaper, quality is the same (very good), far better than what factors and exhaust places will stock.
Replace all 3 sections at the same time. Buy some exhaust paste (Hellfrauds will sell) for the joints.
Neither ETS or Eternal supply decent fitting kits, so do not pay extra for these, and budget for buying locally if necessary.
ETS should be about £90 delivered (week - 10 days), Eternal slightly more. Other bits should only be a few quid locally, but you may not know what you need until you start.
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Taxi Al I assume that that means that the back box was blocked so tacking out the hair must help to stop a build up of pressure
Mine went bang before the hair was evident, suggesting that at least some of it had come from the centre pipes...
That car had been standing an age, and driving it home from purchase it was quite sluggish. Decided an Italian approach was in order and redlined it in second off a dual carriageway roundabout, and as it hit the redline in third the back box exploded.
Next exit was a petrol station, so coasted off the road to investigate and had hair coming from both the tailpipes and the hole on top of the back box. Pulled a binliner full from it :o
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My car had been sitting at least 4-5 months so i can presume its rotted from the inside like you say . No more stuff come out after a brisk drive . Wonder if the old fittings can be re used :-\ if not i guess the best route is to angle grind the exhaust off :-\
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Had that too, fortunately the back box only split, and didn't damage the heatshield/boot floor, though being an estate probably helped that as the back box is further outboard :-\
They don't half go bang though :o ;D
They certainly do ;)
It was nice to get all the power back in one go, I`ll bet the drivers face was a picture ;D
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My car had been sitting at least 4-5 months so i can presume its rotted from the inside like you say . No more stuff come out after a brisk drive . Wonder if the old fittings can be re used :-\ if not i guess the best route is to angle grind the exhaust off :-\
Most rubbers can be reused, but some may be perished. The U clamps will be toast.
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My car had been sitting at least 4-5 months so i can presume its rotted from the inside like you say . No more stuff come out after a brisk drive . Wonder if the old fittings can be re used :-\ if not i guess the best route is to angle grind the exhaust off :-\
Most rubbers can be reused, but some may be perished. The U clamps will be toast.
Yep, had a quick look at them and would be wise to cut them off or just slice through the exhaust pipe itself . While exhaust is off will put the heat shields back on . . mm what next ::)
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Plusgas and a 2' breaker bar, either they undo or they shear, either works :y
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No need to undo u clamps as you'll change all 3 parts together. So just remove old one in one piece.
The mid to cat studs are the biggest prob, plus gas them up a few times, starting for today
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No need to undo u clamps as you'll change all 3 parts together. So just remove old one in one piece.
The mid to cat studs are the biggest prob, plus gas them up a few times, starting for today
Once removed, open the threads out with a suitable size drill and fit the new exhaust using through bolts (M6 iirc), a couple of washers and a lock nut... makes life sooo much easier when you next change it :y
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No need to undo u clamps as you'll change all 3 parts together. So just remove old one in one piece.
The mid to cat studs are the biggest prob, plus gas them up a few times, starting for today
Once removed, open the threads out with a suitable size drill and fit the new exhaust using through bolts (M6 iirc), a couple of washers and a lock nut... makes life sooo much easier when you next change it :y
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I NEVER want to have the trouble i had first time round!
Washers from old head bolts were really useful i found