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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 10 February 2015, 20:05:47
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Evening guys,
Seeing as there are a couple of tool threads at the moment I thought I'd post this now.
Having worked at a local garage for a couple of weeks I've found the other mechanics' views on tools and brands really interesting. Maybe snobbery is the wrong word. But I'll explain and you judge for yourself:
Me - my opinion on hand tools is hell frauds all the way. I used them at school and I'm now using them in the workplace.
Head mech. - Mac tools man all the way.
Full time mech. - uses a brand I've never heard of lol
Apprentice - uses all hell frauds stuff including roll cab and tool chest but has made it quite clear he wants to upgrade everything to snap off.
So. What's the OOF verdict? Are hell frauds hand tools the best or just as good? Or is there any real benefit of using snap off?
I've personally used a few snap off things. . . Ratchets, air guns, sockets and spanners. I've found no difference in feel or usage at all.
Discuss.
Ps,my impact gun is cordless Makita and I won't have a bad word said against it! :y
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Got all sorts:-
Hellfrauds
Teng
Snap On
Clarke
Sealey
Find the Hellfrauds sockets poor quality compared to others, quite like the Teng sockets and the Snap On ratchets and torque wrenches.
When I first started messing with things mechanical as a teenager I was told to buy a set of tools at a reasonable price (I guess like todays Hellfrauds sets when they are on offer) and then just replace the tools you wreck with top quality replacements as those are the socket sizes and key tools that you use the most.
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That's interesting mate. In what way(s) do you find hell frauds sockets poor quality?
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Me....Poundland all the way :y :y
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Got a sweet box cutter from there 8)
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Selling tools for 20 years i found that some would only buy..snap on..or mac..and would only buy from me if those brands did not produce a certain tool that i could supply in another brand,.. .it is being a snob but having said that it also was down to what a spanner or screwdriver felt like while in use.....also remember that different brands may be different thicknesses with spanners so the slimmer ones would get into tight places whereas a thicker one would not...as for halfrauds i.m.o.they are as good as any and their warranty is very good as i have found out when returning a faulty ratchet spanner,,no questions asked just exchanged it.....What does amaze me is the prices they pay for huge very expensive tool stack boxes that stand so high that they then go and buy a step to get to the top drawer...mind you they are very impressive...Surely if i was a mechanic the things i would need would be loads of tools and then keep them in a cardboard box at least that way i would have more money to spend on what earns me a living as a mechanic and then got the right tools for the job...but hey each to their own :D :D ;D ;D
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I have a couple of Halfords socket/spanner sets but most of my sockets on the rails are Draper.
We use snap-on at work but I certainly couldn't justify their prices for the DIY mechanic, nor would I want to. I could get a more than adequate, far more comprehensive toolkit for the money we paid for our work snap-on tools and trolley/chest. Even with substituting some tools for snap-ons cheaper brand BluePoint cost us thousands, but we have to deal with certain suppliers so I had no say in it.
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That's interesting mate. In what way(s) do you find hell frauds sockets poor quality?
I find their 12 point sockets aren't a defined snug fit and it can be easy to damage tight nuts and bolts, generally use 6 point ones from other manufacturers for the common sizes and use the 12 point ones where ratchet movement is restricted.
As mentioned above, I seem to have a few Draper tools as well. Often find the purchase of odd tools is more about availability at the time when you most need them!
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Fair points mate. Having used other 12 points I personally found no difference. But I've not used other brands over a long period so perhaps I'd need to try the out for an extended period.
I suppose it also comes down to decisions you make at the time. I.e. If I had a 21mm rusty looking subframe bolt I'm not going to attack it with a 3/8 12 point, so I don't use them for something I think 'hmm bit iffy'.
I can tell you some things I definitely hate about snap off and mac. . . . The ratchets I used did not have the socket release button! Utterly useless when your paws are covered in oil! Surely that's unbelievably bad from a bloody expensive make?
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I'm not convinced at the quality of Halfords tools as I've had my 170 set less than a year and already destroyed a couple of pieces! ::)
However they do replace without question, so that's good! :y Not so good when your nearest Hellfrauds is 30 miles away! ::)
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;D
I've had mine about 4 years now and I've destroyed 2 torx bits and that's it. Maybe you're just a gorilla, Tig ::) ;D
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I use Sealey these days as i've not had a problem with any of there tools and if i do need to get any replacement parts like brushes for electric drills i can,
Also as a dealer i do get a very good discount and they deliver to me the same day and they are only a mile up the road.
One of our techs, one of the younger ones has just traded a roll cab and the difference to pay is still eight hundred quid, thats going to cost him just for the box hundred and twenty five quid a month, that's just crazy money.
If you want a BIG tool box check this guy out, i know a few guys in the trade who have these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/toolclub233/m.html?item=251810304614&hash=item3aa1105266&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
and i think Webby, this one is for you
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/24-US-PRO-Tool-Chest-Box-Snap-It-Up-2-side-cabinet-75-finance-available-/251810297876?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3aa1103814
Andy
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;D
I've had mine about 4 years now and I've destroyed 2 torx bits and that's it. Maybe you're just a gorilla, Tig ::) ;D
Darzet barn & Darzet bred..... :D ;D
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I can tell you some things I definitely hate about snap off and mac. . . . The ratchets I used did not have the socket release button! Utterly useless when your paws are covered in oil! Surely that's unbelievably bad from a bloody expensive make?
Yet their cheaper version BluePoint does have the release button. :-\ :y
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If you want a BIG tool box check this guy out, i know a few guys in the trade who have these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/toolclub233/m.html?item=251810304614&hash=item3aa1105266&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Oh Andy, you're a bad, bad man.. Why did you have to show us those? ;D
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Thing is its twice the size of a snap on box, has a ten year warranty :y The only problem? is filling it
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Yeah - it would nicely replace the two Halfords bottom cabinets :y
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Did i imagine it but on Andy C,s first link did i see a toolchest with a price tag of 10k? It,s about twenty pics down. Sorry
i can,t do links. ::)
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I have a right mix.
I keep a Halfords set in the truck, because for £100 it covers everything I'm likely to need, and it doesn't matter much if I leave it at the side of the road. And yes, I have done that.
I have Halfords Industrial rollcabs and topboxes at home and work. The get both for £400 deal is how I bought the work set; the ones at home were £100 each as ex-display. I have Britool step-up box at home, which is the same size and adds 4 more drawers.
I have Snap-on 1/4 and 3/8 sockets & ratchets in my box at work, plus 8 to 19mm spanners. Most of these were bought as promotions or secondhand; normal prices are extortionate. The ratchets are well used, as I've 'found' them over the years. I do find the basic SO tools to be excellent, but that is the absolute minimum that is acceptable considering the cost. I can't imagine ever spending the money necessary for SO boxes, and I cannot see why anyone would buy them without the tools to fill them. We no longer have the rep turn up at work, so the 'easy to warranty' doesn't really apply.
SO ratchet screwdrivers are the only ones I've found worth having, and have 3 sets; one for the truck, one for work and one at home. This is probably extravagant, but it's only money.
I have a load of Sealey stuff, which is pretty good, well priced and easy to find. Plus they do all sorts of special stuff, which tends to be much cheaper and just as good as SO equivalents.
I also have a load of unbranded stuff for odd jobs; like bearing pullers, brake windback tools and the like.
As I go to several shows each year, I often buy from traders, so I have lots of Eclipse pliers, saws snips etc, none of which were more than £5new. I once bought a number of Bahco files and handles, and got some funny looks at work when I on burnt the handles as they'd never seen that before!
I do find that it is worth buying branded cutting tools, like files, chisels, saw blades and snips.
It is also worth keeping some cheaper spanners for modifying to do awkward jobs, as heating and bending a £15 SO spanner really hurts!
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I need to add that I have several tools that looked so useful I had to have them. These include: 3/8 cordless impact wrench which turned out to be an expensive way of adding a couple of extra batteries to my small drill and lamp; washer jet adjuster, it was only £4 but that still rankles; multi-plug terminal removal set, a cheap jewellers screwdriver works much better.
Appearances can be deceptive!
I try not to buy stuff on a whim anymore, but I can resist anything but temptation!
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Its like being a kid in a sweet shop isn't :)
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Not a massive collection of tools, some of the older brit makes are good to watch out for at boot sales etc. I got some nice metric King Dick spanners the other year at a boot sale in the local school field, only recently noticed most of these have the broad arrow (ex mil use) stamped on them & very nice quality. :y
My socket set is a mish mash of draper, halfords & elora parts. still got some old AF spanners & imperial stuff from years ago & can`t bring myself to get rid. A BT engineer stupidly left a lot of his kit overnight in a factory I worked in about 5 years ago. so we shared all his stuff out amongst the team I was in. I arm wrestled somene for his drill & won ;D I think 2 other blokes went toe to toe for his boots :D they were too small for me.
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I have a right mix.
I keep a Halfords set in the truck, because for £100 it covers everything I'm likely to need, and it doesn't matter much if I leave it at the side of the road. And yes, I have done that.
I have Halfords Industrial rollcabs and topboxes at home and work. The get both for £400 deal is how I bought the work set; the ones at home were £100 each as ex-display. I have Britool step-up box at home, which is the same size and adds 4 more drawers.
I have Snap-on 1/4 and 3/8 sockets & ratchets in my box at work, plus 8 to 19mm spanners. Most of these were bought as promotions or secondhand; normal prices are extortionate. The ratchets are well used, as I've 'found' them over the years. I do find the basic SO tools to be excellent, but that is the absolute minimum that is acceptable considering the cost. I can't imagine ever spending the money necessary for SO boxes, and I cannot see why anyone would buy them without the tools to fill them. We no longer have the rep turn up at work, so the 'easy to warranty' doesn't really apply.
SO ratchet screwdrivers are the only ones I've found worth having, and have 3 sets; one for the truck, one for work and one at home. This is probably extravagant, but it's only money.
I have a load of Sealey stuff, which is pretty good, well priced and easy to find. Plus they do all sorts of special stuff, which tends to be much cheaper and just as good as SO equivalents.
I also have a load of unbranded stuff for odd jobs; like bearing pullers, brake windback tools and the like.
As I go to several shows each year, I often buy from traders, so I have lots of Eclipse pliers, saws snips etc, none of which were more than £5new. I once bought a number of Bahco files and handles, and got some funny looks at work when I on burnt the handles as they'd never seen that before!
I do find that it is worth buying branded cutting tools, like files, chisels, saw blades and snips.
It is also worth keeping some cheaper spanners for modifying to do awkward jobs, as heating and bending a £15 SO spanner really hurts!
I'm probably the same. I've a lot of different makes (14 sets of spanners at last count, the dearest being SO flank drive which are great for injector pipes and a £8 set which are really thin for getting at air voss fittings on air valves), the only make I don't have are halfrauds. The big bonus with S0 and mac is the rep called every week and you got tools on the trip. £30 a week for 7 yrs fairly adds up when, at one time there was 3 vans coming in. At the minute I have 3 armstrong swivel long handle ratchets which are taking some abuse and I'm very impressed with. As said SO ratchet screwdrivers are the best and mac for non insulated crimping pliers for terminals in multiplugs. Also with being self employed I'm better spending money on tools rather than giving it to the tax man.
Has the op ever been on a proper SO van? I've just finished wiring one at it still amazes me after 20 yrs. A tool for every job!
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When I started out 25 years ago I bought a rack of 3/8 snap on deep and shallow sockets and a set of metric spanners 8-19 mm, I've had loads of other kit come and go but I've still got that initial purchase which are used all day every day, they don't seem so expensive now do they? ::)
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I have a fair mix of stuff, for sockets my preference is Teng at the moment as they are very robust, reasonably thin walled and seem stronger than my ratchets (which included a Snap on one!), spanners I also have Teng as I find the shafts of Halfords ones to thin. Home stuff is all in Machine Mart pro cabinets
At the railway I have a bigger mix, mainly as I need Whitworth and AF over there as well so there is Britool kit up to circa 90mm but there is some Teng, Halfords spanners (and a rag to protect my hens when using them!), Snap On, King Dick a real mix.
Would I buy Snap On, no as its over priced and only really makes any sense if you need stuff now and cant afford it.
Interestingly I have a Mac tools brake pipe spanner and its truly crap.
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Well, as Webby states, one of the tool threads was started by me, so my 'qualification' in answering this thread is smaller than most, (well, I've been working on cars since the age of 5, so in theory 25 years experience, but can't really count that :D)
The old man's toolset is an old cheap n cheerful one, that's been added to and replaced with whatever over the years - mostly car boot sales. Included is a 1/2" Britool ratchet which must be from the 1960s, and still going strong. I'm certainly temped to keep my eye out for Britool stuff second hand. Delighted with my Halfords set so far, aside from the shortcomings mentioned in my previous thread. Fair amount of Draper, and plenty of no-name. I have to say looking at the overall condition of them you really can tell by the rounding of the teeth/facets which are the cheaper sockets - but that's from about 30+ years use and abuse. Also he does have a Snap-on ratchet (again, car boot find) but as also mentioned - for the home mechanic if bought new the price could never be justified for the home mechanic given its seldom use.
If I've learned anything, it's better to a quality used tool, than a brand new cheap-n-nasty one. :)
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When I started out 25 years ago I bought a rack of 3/8 snap on deep and shallow sockets and a set of metric spanners 8-19 mm, I've had loads of other kit come and go but I've still got that initial purchase which are used all day every day, they don't seem so expensive now do they? ::)
I'd have lost most of them in that time.. they'd be pretty expensive, then! ;D
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When I started out 25 years ago I bought a rack of 3/8 snap on deep and shallow sockets and a set of metric spanners 8-19 mm, I've had loads of other kit come and go but I've still got that initial purchase which are used all day every day, they don't seem so expensive now do they? ::)
I'd have lost most of them in that time.. they'd be pretty expensive, then! ;D
I have broken a few sockets over the years from misuse hard use but always been replaced without quibble,losing stuff,now thats a bitch :-\
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Went in my local Machine Mart in my dinner hour. Now I'm used to my Halfords Pro set (which I appreciate there are still better quality tools out there) and I must say - 'ugh!'. Honestly, there wasn't any visual difference in the quality of the casting, clearly very thin chrome in places, and overall grating 'stiffness' of moving parts, between the Clarke and the Rolson stuff! Halfords stuff looks and feels the part in comparison.
Popped over the road to another tool place, and Clarke compared with the Bahco, well, it was like stirring warm butter.. mmmm :y I appreciate there's a fair price difference, but nevertheless, the £10 Clarke felt like it was a £5 toy, the £25 Bahco felt like a £50 item. :)
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Bahco is owned by Snap-on, and some of their ratchets use the same internals.
which would explain that, as the 72tooth SO ratchets are very nice.
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Bahco is owned by Snap-on, and some of their ratchets use the same internals.
which would explain that, as the 72tooth SO ratchets are very nice.
Ahh cheers for that :)
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Snapoff only makes sense if you can't afford to buy tools now, as you'll get it on the drip. Mac are similar, but my limited experience is they aren't that good. At least Snapoff are good (but still not worth the money).
I had a decent collection of proper old skool spanners and sockets, some of which were my Dad's. But they all went in the explosion.
To replace, I've mostly bought Halfords Pro/Advanced when its been on silly offers, esp as my bank gives me Halfords vouchers every month. I'd say they are on par with Draper Expert (and rumoured to be from the Draper factory) slightly better than the Sealey/MMart Pro stuff that's shipped in from China and badged up, and miles better than what the big DIY stores sell, like non-Expert Draper. I've broken one Halfords one, and 2 MMPro ones. All replaced without quibble, but no replacement knuckles for then they go :(
I take MDTM'd point about the spanners, the Advanced ones are a shade thin (which has up and down sides). The non pro £50 set are slightly thicker, but still thin.
Other Halfords hand tools are pretty run-of-the-mill. Not poor, but probably better choices for the same money elsewhere.
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I can say that I have beat the living crap out of my firstset of hell frauds spanners and they still look like new.
im really interested to see if any of my tools tire out now using them constantly, especially the ratchet mechanisms :-\
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Ps, TB, glad you cleared that up re being able to get them on the drip cos I didn't realise that was something you could do..... I bet the tool man who comes round from Snapoff rakes it in :-\
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I have every make,heard of and a lot of autojumblee, bought tools, no names.
I have bergan,britool,snap on,blue point,draper, flora, etc.
When I was in my,previous occupation, tool snobbery everything looking good and shiney, due to the image which had to be kept up, my tool chests etc stayed in the transport, as didn't look good. 8) even tho did same job. That's snobbery.
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Ps, TB, glad you cleared that up re being able to get them on the drip cos I didn't realise that was something you could do..... I bet the tool man who comes round from Snapoff rakes it in :-\
I know a couple of guys who were Snap on van men,
both gave it up as the firm took the wee too much, every week loading returned stuff onto the van, (often faulty stuff) then taking the value from thier account,
after a month they would accept returns, but the money took far longer to come back.
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Here's my mini review:
Well, it was the Halford's 'first blood' tonight. Aside from using it to swap batteries the other week, this is the first time I've actually had opportunity to use my shiny new tools. Overall impression - excellent, and very happy. For future reference, I wouldn't have minded an 18mm spanner in there - I used a socket for the droplinks, but would have been nice to have the choice - a spanner with a quick belt with a hammer would have 'got things started' - so that's now on the shopping list.
I'm still a bit aggravated by the large amount of 3/8" drive. Not bad in itself, but the ratchet is far too short for serious practical purposes. I got a 3/8"-1/4" adapter the other day, so I can use the beefier, longer ratchet with my 3/8 drive sockets. Not a massive fan of using adapters, as it's another link in the chain which may break, however, lifetime warranty does stop me worrying in this case. I don't have a short dumpy extension in either 1/4" or 3/8" - I would have liked one for the wishbone pinchbolt. Again, shopping list.
So in conclusion, a lovely feeling to use, I would say. Cliché though it be, you can really feel the quality. I'd gladly swap some of the very very small sockets for a couple more 'ordinary' sizes, like an 18mm impact socket, and a reasonable length breaker bar, but overall very pleased, and there wasn't a job tonight I couldn't do with the tools before me, right down to a tricky looking allen screw, which the hex bit and tiny 1/4" drive ratchet (which I was convinced I would never use, and was almost ready to give it away) made light work of with minimum fuss. :y
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Nice work dbg.
When smacking your spanners with a hammer (done it loads - tool police aware :-[) just make sure it's all the way on if using the ring end cos I once nearly nackered a bolt head doing it when it slipped. Breaker bar where space allows :y
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Ta Mr The Bear :)
Got my eye on an extending breaker bar, the one I've been borrowing using for years is only about a 14" or thereabouts, so one for myself of similar size would be fine - however, the option to just add a few inches of leverage where necessary would be very useful, whilst still being able to fit in the Halfrauds toolbox.
It's not one of them stupid ones with the 45o angled end that seem designed to slip off and round boltheads like this...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31b4r8Is52L._SX300_.jpg)
It's this Sealey jobbie, number AK7315 :y
(http://thumbs2.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/221544818453_/Sealey-AK7315-1-2-Drive-Extendable-Breaker-Bar-Wrench.jpg)
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I don't like the extending ones as they feel a bit weak.
Check out Sealey AK7302: at 750mm long it effortlessly undoes really tight fasteners.
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I don't like the extending ones as they feel a bit weak.
Check out Sealey AK7302: at 750mm long it effortlessly undoes really tight fasteners.
And those it doesn't aren't coming undo anyway!
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How long is that DBG...I'm a bit concerned about your length ::) ;D
Seriously, not wanting to be a naysayer but I'm not sure I'd want an extending one. I, cough cough, 'acquired' one from school :-X and I'm fairly sure it's the 750mm Hellfrauds one. NEVER failed yet. And in fact, used it today at work to get the axle nut out of a Passat that needed a CV boot (messiest feking job in the world :) :) :) :)). Neither my Makita gun nor the boss's singing and dancing strap-on air gun touched it! Centre cap out the wheel, wheel back on and standing on the bar broke it loose eventually.
The apprentices ''breaker bar'' wouldn't touch it. looked far too short. Enough leverage will move the Earth and all that ;)
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How long is that DBG...I'm a bit concerned about your length ::) ;D
Seriously, not wanting to be a naysayer but I'm not sure I'd want an extending one. I, cough cough, 'acquired' one from school :-X and I'm fairly sure it's the 750mm Hellfrauds one. NEVER failed yet. And in fact, used it today at work to get the axle nut out of a Passat that needed a CV boot (messiest feking job in the world :) :) :) :)). Neither my Makita gun nor the boss's singing and dancing strap-on air gun touched it! Centre cap out the wheel, wheel back on and standing on the bar broke it loose eventually.
The apprentices ''breaker bar'' wouldn't touch it. looked far too short. Enough leverage will move the Earth and all that ;)
Mine is extendable,usually with the handle off my trolley jack or a scaff bar ;)
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How long is that DBG...I'm a bit concerned about your length ::) ;D
Seriously, not wanting to be a naysayer but I'm not sure I'd want an extending one. I, cough cough, 'acquired' one from school :-X and I'm fairly sure it's the 750mm Hellfrauds one. NEVER failed yet. And in fact, used it today at work to get the axle nut out of a Passat that needed a CV boot (messiest feking job in the world :) :) :) :)). Neither my Makita gun nor the boss's singing and dancing strap-on air gun touched it! Centre cap out the wheel, wheel back on and standing on the bar broke it loose eventually.
The apprentices ''breaker bar'' wouldn't touch it. looked far too short. Enough leverage will move the Earth and all that ;)
Mine is extendable,usually with the handle off my trolley jack or a scaff bar ;)
I stand corrected then mate. But I do love my non-adjustable breaker bar. Will undo anything :)
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Back on the original topic...
I noticed the full time mech. had got a new set of spanners.
10-19mm. Snap-off.
Guesses on how much he paid......?
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Back on the original topic...
I noticed the full time mech. had got a new set of spanners.
10-19mm. Snap-off.
Guesses on how much he paid......?
£80 if standard and on offer? £150 plus if special like long or flank drive?
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Couldn't tell you if they were special flanked, sorry.
But you're still short by £50 :o
So £200 for a set of 10-19mm spanners. I'm sorry but I'd be scared to use them which is pointless. And that's just a stupid amount.
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I have that set, and wouldn't pay the normal price. Mine were £100(ish), off the van, cash and paid in full. They were a treat to myself when the van turned up on my birthday.
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Fair enough, Nick.
The other thing about paying big bucks (as well as not being able to use and abuse them) is its bloody easy to leave them in peoples cars!!!! Took door cards off todayand thought id left a screw driver in the door after it was all buttoned up :-[ luckily I found it under the seat ::)
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From my view... its like saying there are certain things on an Omega I would only buy from Vauxhall. ..
Same really for tools. I bought 6 cheap mole grips near on 20 years ago for a specific sentiment old asted a week I joke you not. I bought some Vise Grip ones from a Snap On van which never failed and I still have them now...
I have like loads on here a Halfords set which has half inch drive ratchet, three eights and quarter... its handy yes but I prefer to use my Snap On ratchet i have had for years... why? Maybe sentimental, maybe it feels better in my hand.....
Horses for courses
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I had to replace my truck socket set last year as I stupidly left it at the side of the road. Unsurprisingly, it wasn't there 30minutes later. £100 at Halfords was an expensive lesson but affordable; it's over a grand at SO prices.
Anything I care about has my initials engraved on it, which includes individual sockets. This makes it easy to prove that something is yours.
I have several good tools that I've found in cars, as it is too easy to forget something. This is the best reason for organised toolsets as it's obvious when something is missing.
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I'm the same with the engraving, everything had to be. I have a good lidl set for the back of the jeep, £70 and all 3 socket sizes and full set spanners.
Was in a workshop yesterday where a fella had spent 10 grand on a SO rollcab that he now regrets. Its nice but why? Takes 2 people to even move it, about 7ft long 6ft high and full of tools.
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Interesting points boys.
Re the vice grips I presume they were expensive, Daz? Mine are Irwin, cost £7 I think and have lasted me 6 years now and no sign of them breaking.
If someone has 10k to spend on a tool trolley they must be freakin nuts!!!! Or rather loaded.
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Re the vice grips I presume they were expensive, .....
They tend to be at the dearer end.
I've 4 pairs or them ..... curved jaw & straight jaw, both large & small. But the cheapo stuff they hand out at work (can't think what they are now - but cheap) don't seem to be that bad. It depends what you're doing with them ..... I bought a few pairs of really really cheapo grips off the market for use when welding. I'd rather bugger up the cheap grips that the Vice-grips :y :y
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If I'm away from home and repairing things, I religiously check that I've got everything before I go home. In aviation which is my apprenticeship background they use shadow boards for this, so all tools are accounted for or they are signed in and signed out, where this is a vitally important safety issue. A tool that stops an elevator working or worse is obviously a potential major/catastrophic disaster! :o :o :o
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The one thing I would say about SO is buy there socks, there warm and really long lasting. Haven't worn out a pair yet. :y
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It's very easy to leave tools in cars imo cos you don't tend to get tools out and put them away after each job in the garage.... you just move your tools to the next job and prob realise at the end of the day :-\
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...but of course take your point about aviation :y
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It's very easy to leave tools in cars imo cos you don't tend to get tools out and put them away after each job in the garage.... you just move your tools to the next job and prob realise at the end of the day :-\
then buy yourself a rollcab :y