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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: BazaJT on 07 March 2015, 14:15:56
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While waiting in barbers I had a read of one of the papers and saw an item about someone caught for speeding.Apparently he was clocked doing 120m.p.h. on a dual carriageway and summoned to appearon a charge of dangerous driving.His solicitor is it seems challenging this saying his client will agree to a guilty plea of careless driving but not dangerous driving as speed in and of itself is not dangerous.Be interesting to find out how this one pans out!
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Anybody doing 120 mph on a duel carriageway is a cock and deserves to be locked up >:(
Its not about how good / fast your car is or how good a driver you are, its about the other muppets who are on the road.
I don't give a toss who you think you are, at 120 mph on a 2 duel carriageway and given the driving standards of today, there is no way on earth you can avoid a pile up if something goes wrong or some muppet does something stupid in front of you >:(
5 year ban and 6 full months inside on soap duty with Big Winston ;D ;D
Now how do I apply to be a magistrate :D :D
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I quite agree with you on that score,at that sort of speed things can tend to go south rather quickly!Like I said I would be curious to see how his solicitors defence of it not being dangerous but merely careless[as in oops that was careless of me not to notice I was going stupidly fast]and if any magistrate is gullible enough to accept it.
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I quite agree with you on that score,at that sort of speed things can tend to go south rather quickly!Like I said I would be curious to see how his solicitors defence of it not being dangerous but merely careless[as in oops that was careless of me not to notice I was going stupidly fast]and if any magistrate is gullible enough to accept it.
Probably a invasion of his human rights or some other 'dangle berries'
Put your money on it
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Anybody doing 120 mph on a duel carriageway is a cock and deserves to be locked up >:(
Its not about how good / fast your car is or how good a driver you are, its about the other muppets who are on the road.
I don't give a toss who you think you are, at 120 mph on a 2 duel carriageway and given the driving standards of today, there is no way on earth you can avoid a pile up if something goes wrong or some muppet does something stupid in front of you >:(
5 year ban and 6 full months inside on soap duty with Big Winston ;D ;D
Now how do I apply to be a magistrate :D :D
...what if its completely empty?
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Anybody doing 120 mph on a duel carriageway is a cock and deserves to be locked up >:(
Its not about how good / fast your car is or how good a driver you are, its about the other muppets who are on the road.
I don't give a toss who you think you are, at 120 mph on a 2 duel carriageway and given the driving standards of today, there is no way on earth you can avoid a pile up if something goes wrong or some muppet does something stupid in front of you >:(
5 year ban and 6 full months inside on soap duty with Big Winston ;D ;D
Now how do I apply to be a magistrate :D :D
...what if its completely empty?
That thought crossed my mind too :-\
Only thing is, if it all goes Pete Tong, some poor sod still has to clean up the mess, and the less mess the better, as the aftermath is bad enough on it's own...
That's one thing that the God botherers seem to skim over when it comes to death... it's always the living that have to deal with it.
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Apologies btw if that comes across as insensitive, not meant to be in any way, shape or form.
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I believe that many ahem...ahem.... 'German roads' are only two lanes wide. :)
120 MPH is just getting started. :)
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Do as I say not as I do.!
O to be a 100% perfect law abiding driver. 8)
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Possibly so,and maybe that's fine "over there"where everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet.But the speed limit here is 70m.p.h. so he was at least 50 over[the article didn't state what the posted limit was when he was knicked]then take into account the potential for ditherers and the state of our roads and you instantly have the makings of a disaster.Also as has been stated even if "only"a solo accident someone has to clear up the aftermath/inform relatives etc.,etc.
No I'll admit I'm far from being a 100% law abiding driver and in no way have I ever claimed to be perfect but even I have some respect for the consequences of such an excess of speed.
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depends on what car you're doing a ton 20 in as to how 'dangerous' it is. 120 is dead easy in a super car but if it's taken you 20 mins to wind your Capri up to 120, then that a different ball game.
ISTR a driver using the defence years ago and 'got off with it' ..... he was a professional race car driver & though he was doing sillymph it was deemed it wasn't dangerous.
If you stick a blue light on top & merely test your car at 159mph, then it appears that's OK >:(
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think all I can say on this is that the law is there like it or not and sometimes breaking the speed limit is fine and feels totally safe and at times the limit feels too low but the limit is there and if broken then face the quensconsous ;D as andy b states about the car if a car can reach 120mph easily hopefully the design allows good brakes and a car that takes an eon to get to 120 mph isn't designed to be at them speeds and designed to stop quick and be safe at them and I didn't relaise I was going so fast is negligence
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Now you mention them I too recall those instances.In most cases though I think it's not the capability of the vehicle itself but the ability of the driver to react at high speed to an "unforeseen"
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Big difference in road design between dual carriageways and motorways. You aint gonna (on a normal day) get a maxxed out tractor doing 30mph pulling out of a "t" junction. ...
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When you've had to do the most unwanted job in the world as a traffic cop (walking up the path to tell someone the news no one wants to hear :'( ), you'll understand why the speed limits are there & why they are reducing in most places (Cheshires national speed limit roads are getting few & far between). Like a few have said on here its not the cars we are driving, they are brilliant compared to say 20 years ago. Its 'Idiot Drivers' who 'think' they know how to drive that spoil it for the rest of us sensible drivers. I'd say 80% of the RTC's I go to are due to rider / driver error and in the main going too fast for the conditions egs.
1. Ferrari driver the other week was told by the salesman 'don't turn off the traction control' - what does he do????? Ends up upside down on the motorway!
2. Biker out for a nice spring jaunt in the morning - nothing else on the road exits stage left on a r/h bend with nothing else on the road.
3. Young women overtakes on a national, looses it ends up in a tree - tree didn't move!
4. Reduce speed sign I put up last week - need I say more!
All the above under 30 1 dead 2 serious & 1 minor injuries and when you think of the cost to the country in hold ups & the fantastic cost of investigating a fatal RTC :o :o :o Not to mention the pain & suffering to loved ones.
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Anybody doing 120 mph on a duel carriageway is a cock and deserves to be locked up >:(
Its not about how good / fast your car is or how good a driver you are, its about the other muppets who are on the road.
I don't give a toss who you think you are, at 120 mph on a 2 duel carriageway and given the driving standards of today, there is no way on earth you can avoid a pile up if something goes wrong or some muppet does something stupid in front of you >:(
5 year ban and 6 full months inside on soap duty with Big Winston ;D ;D
Now how do I apply to be a magistrate :D :D
I wonder if TheBoys in blue are restricted to less than 120mph on a call out?
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At the end of the day, if you're caught speeding, you're driving dangerously, IMHO.
Not necessarily because you're speeding - limits are set according to a very low lowest common denominator, but because you were clearly oblivious to a detection device at the time. Could just as easily have been another innocent motorist who was pulling out, quite rightly, not under the expectation that you'd be barrelling down on him at 120 MPH.
Let's face it, none of us are saints, but when pressing on, you need to be aware of everything in your stopping distance plus a good margin, be it a speed trap, few of which are that subtle, or any other hazard.
Tough verdict, but he did the crime...
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I wonder if The Boys in blue are restricted to less than 120mph on a call out?
Yep, of course we have rules!!!
Even Advanced drivers can only go 20 mph above red ringed speed limits, in nationals we can make progress when we are able to, same for motorways. We are scrutinized a lot more than people think, all the cars are fitted with black boxes like those in aircraft which record everything, every siren operation, blue light, brake, indicator. I've know quite a few who have come unstuck through this. When we go through speed traps above the 20 limit we are liable to having authorities revoked & prosecution.
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but as we've repeatedly said before, speed in itself doesn't kill, inappropriate speed does though.
:( :( :( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-31778616
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I wonder if The Boys in blue are restricted to less than 120mph on a call out?
Yep, of course we have rules!!!
Even Advanced drivers can only go 20 mph above red ringed speed limits, in nationals we can make progress when we are able to, same for motorways. We are scrutinized a lot more than people think, all the cars are fitted with black boxes like those in aircraft which record everything, every siren operation, blue light, brake, indicator. I've know quite a few who have come unstuck through this. When we go through speed traps above the 20 limit we are liable to having authorities revoked & prosecution.
Yes I was referring to the scenario quoted. I.e. nationals.
So no then. If I understand your reply correctly re training etc. :)
Which doesn't suprise me in the least, is I've seen them making progress in such circumstances, clearly in excess of that figure. Dry, clear with no traffic Etc etc.
....point is the circumstances do exist where a vehichle can travel at those speeds on a public highway, and we should drive with that In mind imo.
Many an unexpecting wobble over into lane 3 with the righteous mind that nothing should be doing more than 70. (Or do so deliberately in the face of something doing alot more than 70.)Which is true, obviously the limit is 70.., however the reality is, as said. There are vehicles that legally do considerably more than the limit. And those that do so illegally. Neither legal or illegal makes a blind bit if differance when your dead as a result. Dead is dead and that's that.
So use that wing mirror. :)
That was all really.
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Okay, i'm breaking my own rule about posting on here when half pished but here goes .....................
The average UK driver imo is shite.
Very little awareness of hazards on the roads.
Over confident beyond belief.
Arrogant to the point that they believe that no oppser can tell them what to do.
Over in sausage land, they are used to driving at speeds well over 90 mph when the rules allow.
People are used to looking in there mirror and being able to judge speed and how long it will take a vehicle to get from A to B
Over here, we are not ;)
In fact, at a guess, id say 30% of drivers have never drove on a motorway and believe me, it shows.
They are a friggin liability due to there inexperience traveling at 70 or 80 mph never mind 90mph plus.
Plod, and I know this for a fact do push the speed up when nobody is about.
They do it because the brain needs to learn how to react.
Quick question .................. be honest here, how many times have members on here been for a long drive on the motorway at shall we say, a little more then 70 plus 10%. You exit the motorway onto a duel carriageway or approach a roundabout and suddenly find you have to brake oppsing hard because you are travelling a lot faster then you think.
I'll put money on it that every oppser has ;)
As said before, its nothing to do with whether it a empty road or anything like that, its just a case of WE in the uk just are not used to those sort of speeds to do it safely.
And lets be honest now, if you do do those sort of speeds on a regular basis to the point that you are capable of reacting in time to hazards in time then you are either a decent plod driver (and I know a couple who shouldn't have a licence), a racing driver who drives close to the limit most weekends OR ONE LUCKY BASTARD TO STILL HAVE A LICENCE ;) ;)
Right, i'm off to finish my beer cos i'm playing taxi driver for the missus at 7 o'clock in morning :(
Night night ladies :-* :-*
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If you want to go very fast on your hyperbike or Supercar, there are plenty of track days for doing so, without meeting trees, signposts, 92 year old, virtually-blind, confused, great-uncle Elmer's and great-aunty Ethel's who should stopped driving 20 years ago. If you run out of talent half way through a corner there are runoff areas.
Germany has motorways with no speed limits, but you do expect other motorists to be pressing on.
One of the reasons driving standards have dropped a lot in this country is due to the number of East European drivers over here, many of whom, bought their driving licences, to save the bother of learning how to drive or take a test. ::) ::) ::) :o :o :o Mortality rates are much higher in Eastern Europe due to very poor driving standards, driving invincibility stupidity, poor road design and still some / many poor ex-Soviet cars depending upon the country.
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Hmmm. Funny. I asked my father many years ago what was the fastest he has ever driven. His answer was quite clear and brazen. He proudly reposnded "I once did 110MPH in an E-Type down Tog Hill"
Anyone who knows the Bristol area will know the road, and at the bottom of Tog Hill is is relatively sharp right hand bend.....
I suppose, back then, the level of traffic was slight, so "using all the road" was an option.... I certainly wouldn't decend that particuar stretch of road at 110MPH in a modern car!
I've maxxed out a 3.2 Elite on a downhill stretch of motorway in the early hours. I've hit the limiter (155) in several cars in the past. Does speed kill? Yes, but only when it's done badly.
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When you've had to do the most unwanted job in the world as a traffic cop (walking up the path to tell someone the news no one wants to hear :'( ), you'll understand why the speed limits are there & why they are reducing in most places (Cheshires national speed limit roads are getting few & far between). Like a few have said on here its not the cars we are driving, they are brilliant compared to say 20 years ago. Its 'Idiot Drivers' who 'think' they know how to drive that spoil it for the rest of us sensible drivers. I'd say 80% of the RTC's I go to are due to rider / driver error and in the main going too fast for the conditions egs.
1. Ferrari driver the other week was told by the salesman 'don't turn off the traction control' - what does he do????? Ends up upside down on the motorway!
2. Biker out for a nice spring jaunt in the morning - nothing else on the road exits stage left on a r/h bend with nothing else on the road.
3. Young women overtakes on a national, looses it ends up in a tree - tree didn't move!
4. Reduce speed sign I put up last week - need I say more!
All the above under 30 1 dead 2 serious & 1 minor injuries and when you think of the cost to the country in hold ups & the fantastic cost of investigating a fatal RTC :o :o :o Not to mention the pain & suffering to loved ones.
Sorry Jason, but have to trump you on that one......... ;) ;) :D
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I'd love to go through police driver training. ......I think, provided they don't ask me to talk, or multi task stuff. ......" SHUT UP I'M BUSAAAAY "
Yes I know the passenger does the radio stuff, but even so.
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I'd love to go through police driver training. ......I think, provided they don't ask me to talk, or multi task stuff. ......" SHUT UP I'M BUSAAAAY "
Yes I know the passenger does the radio stuff, but even so.
Go the rospa wwww and look there!
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I'd love to go through police driver training. ......I think, provided they don't ask me to talk, or multi task stuff. ......" SHUT UP I'M BUSAAAAY "
Yes I know the passenger does the radio stuff, but even so.
Go the rospa wwww and look there!
no thanks.
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I'd love to go through police driver training. ......I think, provided they don't ask me to talk, or multi task stuff. ......" SHUT UP I'M BUSAAAAY "
Yes I know the passenger does the radio stuff, but even so.
Sad fact is we are usually single crewed these days, on both response teams and roads policing, with maybe one double crewed unit and the rest of the officers working alone. so driving on immediate grading and having to process information and ask questions about the incident we're making to, is pretty much the norm.
I absolutely loved my driver training. Best course I've ever done, learnt an awful lot. It's not all high speed stuff though, the candidate has to fully master the system of car control (roadcraft) at normal driving speeds, before being trained at higher speeds or to use blues.
To those who say we drive at high speeds to keep skills up etc. Maybe once upon a time it happened, but all the cars even pandas have a black box which scrutinise your driving to the n'th degree.
If something goes wrong especially if not on a shout and found to be speeding or otherwise driving poorly with no legal exemption, we'd be hung out to dry both internally and at court. It'd be a daft bobby to abuse driving privileges these days.
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You're not allowed to even move a vehicle it the black box recorder has been tripped. And certainly no speeding in an unmarked vehicle, and often well below posted limit on dual carriageway/motorways in marked vehicles otherwise no bugger passes you ::)
Down here internal licences have a twelve point limit, but if you reach 6 you either get reassessed or have licence revoked, depending on how you obtained them...
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A police officer was caught driving at 136mph while on a training exercise on one of the north-east’s busiest roads.
The officer, from the serious crime division, was spotted speeding on the A90 Dundee to Aberdeen road while at the wheel of a marked Scottish Police College Training Vehicle earlier this year.
However, the driver was granted “emergency service exemption” under a law that allows no imposed speed limit on vehicles being used for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes.
The speed was faster than any other vehicle caught on camera this year that was attending a real emergency.
According to the figures, released under freedom of information legislation, the officer was travelling 16mph quicker than the highest speed recorded by police personnel on an emergency call in all of 2013/14.
Only 354 of 90,000 police caught on camera speeding or jumping red lights last year were punished.
Last night forces were accused of double standards after it emerged that only one in 200 officers was fined or given points, compared with 84 per cent of ordinary drivers.
In a quarter of the cases the police cars had their blue lights flashing, suggesting officers were attending an emergency.
However, nearly all of the rest had the slate wiped clean by senior police, saving them from three points on their licence and a £60 fine.
Managers have the discretion to cancel tickets if an officer can persuade them they had a good reason for speeding, such as pursuing a suspect or trying to find a witness.
But critics point out motorists enjoy no such rights and that if they want to challenge a fixed penalty notice they must go to court.
They also say the disparity between the figures raises the suspicion that thousands of officers are being let off even if they do not have a valid excuse for speeding.............................. 'hmmmmmmm'????
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A police officer was caught driving at 136mph while on a training exercise on one of the north-east’s busiest roads.
The officer, from the serious crime division, was spotted speeding on the A90 Dundee to Aberdeen road while at the wheel of a marked Scottish Police College Training Vehicle earlier this year.
However, the driver was granted “emergency service exemption” under a law that allows no imposed speed limit on vehicles being used for fire brigade, ambulance or police purposes.
The speed was faster than any other vehicle caught on camera this year that was attending a real emergency.
According to the figures, released under freedom of information legislation, the officer was travelling 16mph quicker than the highest speed recorded by police personnel on an emergency call in all of 2013/14.
Only 354 of 90,000 police caught on camera speeding or jumping red lights last year were punished.
Last night forces were accused of double standards after it emerged that only one in 200 officers was fined or given points, compared with 84 per cent of ordinary drivers.
In a quarter of the cases the police cars had their blue lights flashing, suggesting officers were attending an emergency.
However, nearly all of the rest had the slate wiped clean by senior police, saving them from three points on their licence and a £60 fine.
Managers have the discretion to cancel tickets if an officer can persuade them they had a good reason for speeding, such as pursuing a suspect or trying to find a witness.
But critics point out motorists enjoy no such rights and that if they want to challenge a fixed penalty notice they must go to court.
They also say the disparity between the figures raises the suspicion that thousands of officers are being let off even if they do not have a valid excuse for speeding.............................. 'hmmmmmmm'?
I can't comment on your figures, I can only speak from my own experiences
But a few facts
- officers do not have to use thier emergency equipment eg lights and sirens when responding to an incident or using a lawful exemption. I won't go into specifics but for some types of crime in progress, hearing sirens approaching would quite obviously alert an offender and give them a chance to run. This May for example mean an officer carefully runs a red light without thier sirens etc on. Yes to the public it looks bad. But on balance, in comparison to the greatly increased chance of catching say a dangerous knife wielding street robber, it's worth doing. And is lawful.
For driver training, it is lawful. By driver training I mean instructed courses, not bobbies 'honing thier skills' alone. On the course I did, setting off cameras in the nationals at high speeds was the norm.
The reason most of the officers you mention above didn't go to court is because they would have been using totally lawful reasons for breaking the traffic laws
To suggest officers should account for themselves on court every time they use a lawful exemption is out of the question. Breaking speed limits isn't ideal but by nature of the police, and thier role, there are occasions they have to do it.
As with any occupation yes you get an odd bad apple. But the vast majority of officers work hard and with integrity, despite constant scrutiny which is often the result of public misconceptions
If the above figures are from freedom of info requests, I'm afraid in light of the above, I'd question thier reliability.