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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: omega2018 on 01 May 2015, 23:25:07
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any oof preference for oil filters apart from the predictable vx (who makes vx ones anyway?). i've used a guttman for the last two oil changes they look ok (made in india with a german sounding name) but the vx kept the oil looking cleaner for longer. crosland currently £1.64 at eurosales or £3.24 for the paper insert
<edit> just discovered euros car parts bought the name crosland and stick on the cheapest filters they can get >:(
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any oof preference for oil filters apart from the predictable vx (who makes vx ones anyway?). i've used a guttman for the last two oil changes they look ok (made in india with a german sounding name) but the vx kept the oil looking cleaner for longer. crosland currently £1.64 at eurosales or £3.24 for the paper insert
<edit> just discovered euros car parts bought the name crosland and stick on the cheapest filters they can get >:(
Seem fine to me.
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Would now be a good time to mention genuine... ::)
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Mann filter and first line seemed to go hand in hand a few years ago when a mate had access to first line parts through a personal contact. It didn't last, as we had nothing but agro with first line parts, and the only time we had filters that didn't fit where Mann filter items. Usually incomplete threads on spin on oil filters. Correct part, just badly made. Meaning in emergency trip to Halfords having already removed the old filter with a hammer and screw driver usually.
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Would now be a good time to mention genuine... ::)
only a few quid a time ;)
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I've used QH oil filters and they've been good quality an fit :y
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Would now be a good time to mention genuine... ::)
only a few quid a time ;)
Spin on ones cost less than a Mcdonalds Happy Meal, cartridge ones aren't much more :y
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i'm guessing that the 'genuine' vx filters are actually made by someone else. main prob in buying vx though is it means a trip to a dealer or joining tc or probably both. via ecp its just a few clicks no need to enter credit card even and it's delivered to my door.
this site is interesting: Oil Filters Revealed http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilters/index.html (http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilters/index.html)
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ended up buying one vaux original at £4.50 delivered and 2 manns at £2.33 each delivered. i'll see how they compare, i still have one guttmann left too.
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ended up buying one vaux original at £4.50 delivered and 2 manns at £2.33 each delivered. i'll see how they compare, i still have one guttmann left too.
I've used all three at one time or another.
Little or no difference in my opinion.
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Mann are o.e. Supplier..
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i now have in my hand a genuine vauxhall vof93 spin on filter and the guttman equivalent (the mann haven't arrived yet). they look identical especially the inside - same hole pattern, same crimp join, same surplus sealant at the bottom 1/3 of circumference, in the same position in relation to the join.
however the gm one weighs 259g and the guttmann 263g, outer diameter gm 77.6mm guttmann 77.7mm. 6 hole diameter gm 6.8mm, guttmann 6.9mm. such small deviations that they could still be made on the same production line.
euro car parts seem asleep on my order so the mann ones haven't arrived yet.
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As always with "who makes OE", remember that what the OEM makes for GM won't, in virtually all cases, be the same as what they sell into the aftermarket channel.
So, many GM oil filters are made by Mahle, often stamped Mahle, but these are noticeably different to the Mahle ones from a factors. Not saying which is better, but they are different.
In the case of air filters, GM every single time. They have a far larger surface area than the factor tosh.
As to convenience, at the risk of going blue in the face, get a friggin' TC card. Cheap, quality, effortless.
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Even without TC, genuine service parts are hardly expensive...
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without tc the vaux branded filters (at £4.50, after shopping around) are about double the mann ones (and mann is a pretty respected make) and nearly 3 times a 'crossland' one. tc is £25 a year is that right? how much discount would i get? do all dealers honour tc now? :-\
in a factory mass producing filters it is possible I suppose that they deliberately downgrade the 'vaux' badged ones :-\
if i didn't care about the price of things i prob wouldn't have an omega in 2015 (though would have in 1998) :)
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If you get TC via abs as the link in faq (although that may be out of date by now but the procedure still stands) and buy 20litres of oil and three filters you get you abs joining fee back in one go.
Then anything else is at TC prices all year. Why fish about? Just check where your nearest TC dealer is etc...
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i now have the mann ones Annoyingly Eurocar parts sent me the mann w712/22 which is obsolete and has been replaced by the w712/75. however the mann website lists the same specs for both.
The mann is completely different, shorter yet heavier, different holes. the shorter length would indicate slightly less filtration but to be honest the mann looks better made and the extra weight with shorter length must indicate more paper and/or thicker steel. i didn't add before that the gm one had some small what looks like grey paint splatter on the inside (i.e. wrong side) which is not good.
gm 259g length 87mm
guttmann 263g length 87mm
Mann 276g length 79mm
mann hummel seem to have a very good reputation and the slightly shorter filter will be easier to fit and remove with my cap wrench.
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Um, unless there's been a recent change, arent Vx VOF93's a pound coin, on trade club?
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Um, unless there's been a recent change, arent Vx VOF93's a pound coin, on trade club?
I rest my case... ;)
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in a factory mass producing filters it is possible I suppose that they deliberately downgrade the 'vaux' badged ones :-\
More likely downgrade their own aftermarket part.
In the auto industry (and many others), the product manufacturer provides the exact spec of what they want (except AMG, but that's another story for another day ;D), and the part manufacturer makes it to that precise spec, usually written into the contract is that item cannot be sold to anyone else.
Hence, because xyz make filters for Rolls Royce, its unlikely that xyz branded filters will match the Rolls' spec.
TC is free if you qualify. If you don't, you can get it by joining some of the VBOA affiliated clubs such as ABS.
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I agree with ..al...genuine only....I can never understand why people just do not want to pay a few quid more for the genuine filter and oil when we are talking about the heart of the vehicle and its not as if we have to change them every month,after all if cheaper inferior parts were used and they happen to allow particles to pass through thev system and ruin the engine we would be the first to have a moan...so come on open up your wallet and buy genuine...after all it makes sense :y
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The Old Man was buying the 'cheap n cheerful' oil filters for the Weasel for a good few years at a local independent motor factor (admittedly a perfectly good brand, Mann or similar) - until we discovered that actually genuine GM on TC was cheaper! :)
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Best to use OE in my opinion, they are not expensive.
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one final update on oil filters, I see the wix filter for the catera has an anti drain back valve, visible in the picture http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=51040 (http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=51040). I think that is the same engine as the mig. the vaux and other filters definitely don't have that. i can see it might be advantageous both for less messy oil changes and for faster oil pressure on start up - less wear. bit pricey though £6.