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Title: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 June 2015, 12:10:42
....the one I refer to as the fan belt but is actually called the auxiliary belt.

How often should this be changed?

I must confess I have not changed mine in 30,000 miles.

Easy job?

Expensive?



Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Terbs on 03 June 2015, 12:20:15
Right....I am going on the basis of watching TB do my 2.5....took about Half an hour or so. The belt cost £16 (Conti) and the old belt had been on three years, and was starting to degrade, although the mileage was about 15,000 miles maximum.
Best I can help you with :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Terbs on 03 June 2015, 12:25:19
I should also say, that  previous to this belt, had a tensioner melt and disintegrate. It was repaired at the roadside by the RAC. He charged me for a new belt.....however, I cannot say with hand on heart he actually fitted one. I never saw an old one !!!!!!!!!
So mileage could be higher as could be age :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: tunnie on 03 June 2015, 13:15:25
I just visually inspect it every so often, looking for cracks in the belt. 2.2's aux belt has done 59k I think
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 June 2015, 13:15:35
Perusing old invoices I can find no evidence that the belt has ever been replaced. :-\

Twelve years and 94,000 miles. :-\

It looks okay. That is all I can say.



Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Terbs on 03 June 2015, 13:21:20
They do 'look' ok, its when you look on the inside when its off the car you see how cracked they can be. :y

And, after my experience...I would be looking closely at the tensioner pulley.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: zirk on 03 June 2015, 13:54:33
Should be part of your on board spares kit, its normally the tensioner that goes.

Its a 10 min Job to fit, and only requires a spanner (15mm from memory), will cause all sorts of grief when they go and your stranded.  ;)

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg299/zirk-photos/DSC03151.jpg)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: deviator on 03 June 2015, 14:01:06
Yep 15mm on the tensioner and is it E12/E14 that holds the tensioner onto the head?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: zirk on 03 June 2015, 14:29:32
Should be part of your on board spares kit, its normally the tensioner that goes.

Its a 10 min Job to fit, and only requires a spanner (15mm from memory), will cause all sorts of grief when they go and your stranded.  ;)

Actually, change that to Tensioner Pulley.  ;)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 June 2015, 15:11:08
Should be part of your on board spares kit, its normally the tensioner that goes.

Its a 10 min Job to fit, and only requires a spanner (15mm from memory), will cause all sorts of grief when they go and your stranded.  ;)

Actually, change that to Tensioner Pulley.  ;)

Would it be wise to invest in a belt AND a tensioner pulley? If it is an easy fix I'll have a bash at it myself.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: zirk on 03 June 2015, 15:43:16
Should be part of your on board spares kit, its normally the tensioner that goes.

Its a 10 min Job to fit, and only requires a spanner (15mm from memory), will cause all sorts of grief when they go and your stranded.  ;)

Actually, change that to Tensioner Pulley.  ;)

Would it be wise to invest in a belt AND a tensioner pulley? If it is an easy fix I'll have a bash at it myself.
Yep, just watch your fingers when you release the tensioner / spanner at the final stage.  :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: joff on 03 June 2015, 16:12:02
What about the little torx bolt on the air-con bracket, I have always had to undo that too. On the 3.2 that is :y

I replace every time I do the cam belt, so every 4 years :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: zirk on 03 June 2015, 16:20:17
What about the little torx bolt on the air-con bracket, I have always had to undo that too. On the 3.2 that is :y
Cant remember ever doing that one Joff, Ive always used the opposite force on the 15mm spanner to push the Tensioner in.

Having said that there do seem to be variations in belt sizes subject to manufacturer.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: joff on 03 June 2015, 16:28:16
What about the little torx bolt on the air-con bracket, I have always had to undo that too. On the 3.2 that is :y
Cant remember ever doing that one Joff, Ive always used the opposite force on the 15mm spanner to push the Tensioner in.

Having said that there do seem to be variations in belt sizes subject to manufacturer.

I do the same on the tensioner but this is on the other side so you can put the belt around the air con pump pulley :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: zirk on 03 June 2015, 16:34:12
What about the little torx bolt on the air-con bracket, I have always had to undo that too. On the 3.2 that is :y
Cant remember ever doing that one Joff, Ive always used the opposite force on the 15mm spanner to push the Tensioner in.

Having said that there do seem to be variations in belt sizes subject to manufacturer.

I do the same on the tensioner but this is on the other side so you can put the belt around the air con pump pulley :y
Hmm..., maybe Ive gone brain dead again, its that time of life you know.  ;D
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: EMD on 03 June 2015, 17:16:33
Tensioner pulley wheel bearings can be re greased if there is no play , 2 minute job  :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 June 2015, 17:40:29
Tensioner pulley wheel[/u] bearings can be re greased if there is no play , 2 minute job  :y

Which one is this?....Should I be able to move it against the tension of the belt?
I've counted six.

How often do VX suggest the auxiliary belt be changed?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: BazaJT on 04 June 2015, 18:37:35
Tensioner pulley wheel is top left as you look at engine from the front.On my 3.0l I also had to undo a small bolt on a pipe that runs across front of engine in order to get belt on.I think this is the one referred to in an earlier post?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 June 2015, 21:45:42
Unlike the cambelt it looks as though Vauxhall has no specific time or mileage for  the auxiliary belt.

What happens if it snaps whilst driving?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 June 2015, 21:46:55
Tensioner pulley wheel is top left as you look at engine from the front.On my 3.0l I also had to undo a small bolt on a pipe that runs across front of engine in order to get belt on.I think this is the one referred to in an earlier post?

Thanks, Mr Baza. :y

I've put a 15 mm socket on it but will it move.... ::) ::)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Terbs on 04 June 2015, 23:05:19
If you are releasing the tension, put the spanner on the nut, and pressure clockwise iirc :y
My belt did not break...the pulley disintegrated !!!!! All that happened was dash lights all came on, and water started to overheat :(
Belt was just flopping about in the wind :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 05 June 2015, 11:07:41
I had the same thing happen about a year ago,although my belt got tangled and completely shredded itself, so the worst part of the job was removing all the bits of the old belt.
I was possibly lucky that it didn't break through the timing belt cover and cause mayhem in there ?
I had to get recovered home on the back of a truck for the first time in my life. :-[
If in doubt, I would recommend changing the belt and tensioner pulley. It doesn't cost much and takes around 15 minutes to do.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: EMD on 05 June 2015, 11:56:44
I had the same thing happen about a year ago,although my belt got tangled and completely shredded itself, so the worst part of the job was removing all the bits of the old belt.
I was possibly lucky that it didn't break through the timing belt cover and cause mayhem in there ?
I had to get recovered home on the back of a truck for the first time in my life. :-[
If in doubt, I would recommend changing the belt and tensioner pulley. It doesn't cost much and takes around 15 minutes to do.

+1  :(

My pulley wheel shattered and played ping pong under the car , the belt made a right mess .
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 June 2015, 12:22:59
So where is the best place to get a belt (and just to be on the safe side) a pulley tensioner wheel from?


No Trade card/TC remember. :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: EMD on 05 June 2015, 12:29:56
So where is the best place to get a belt (and just to be on the safe side) a pulley tensioner wheel from?


No Trade card/TC remember. :y

Well you know where i get both mine and it is my choice, egay and never had any issues in over 10 years since the first original one let go :-X 
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Nick W on 05 June 2015, 12:36:08
So where is the best place to get a belt (and just to be on the safe side) a pulley tensioner wheel from?


No Trade card/TC remember. :y

You can buy an equivalent Gates or Continental belt anywhere. The pulley will probably take a bit more tracking down, but any decent factor should be able to do it. It's usually the pulley that fails with these systems(whatever engine it's bolted to) and so aren't hard to find. A complete tensioner assembly isn't expensive, but normally unnecessary.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 June 2015, 13:10:51
So where is the best place to get a belt (and just to be on the safe side) a pulley tensioner wheel from?


No Trade card/TC remember. :y

You can buy an equivalent Gates or Continental belt anywhere. The pulley will probably take a bit more tracking down, but any decent factor should be able to do it. It's usually the pulley that fails with these systems(whatever engine it's bolted to) and so aren't hard to find. A complete tensioner assembly isn't expensive, but normally unnecessary.

Ah...I see.
In my ignorance I imagined the pulley and tensioner to be one and the same. The same part.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Terbs on 05 June 2015, 13:57:07
My tensioner came with the pulley attached, from stock, as did the Conti belt, Euro Car Parts.
RAC man took the pulley off, gave me the rest of it, which is still in the garage, and fitted the pulley to the tensioner on the car. :y (Three years ago)
My experience does not allow me to say whether the pulley can be purchased separately, sorry Dr :(
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 June 2015, 14:05:09
My tensioner came with the pulley attached, from stock, as did the Conti belt, Euro Car Parts.
RAC man took the pulley off, gave me the rest of it, which is still in the garage, and fitted the pulley to the tensioner on the car. :y (Three years ago)
My experience does not allow me to say whether the pulley can be purchased separately, sorry Dr :(


Thanks, Mr Terbert. I'll see if they have what I need.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: BazaJT on 05 June 2015, 19:16:14
When mine went it was the tensioner pulley wheel that failed also and the belt just trashed itself.Got mine[don't recall what make]from A.E.Cook.Easy enough job to do,most awkward bit I found due to lack of space was the little bolt on the pipe bracket[aircon pipe?] that runs across front of engine in order to get new belt on.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 June 2015, 11:29:23
From the pictures I've seen on Google it appears  the pulley wheel and metal tensioner come as one item.....secured to the engine by a couple of small bolts or screws.

Cost around £30-£35

No nasty squeaks or grinding sounds from my car so I assume the pulley and tensioner are 'fit for purpose'.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Terbs on 06 June 2015, 11:36:46
Now I might be talking BS but I don't think renewing the tensioner/pulley is as essential as the cambelt tensioner. That is, obviously if there is no play, or rumbling etc,
As I said earlier, TB renewed my belt, tried the pulley/tensioner, and said all was ok in that department :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 June 2015, 11:41:31
Now I might be talking BS but I don't think renewing the tensioner/pulley is as essential as the cambelt tensioner. That is, obviously if there is no play, or rumbling etc,
As I said earlier, TB renewed my belt, tried the pulley/tensioner, and said all was ok in that department :y

I may just purchase the belt.....about £20, I believe.

Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Terbs on 06 June 2015, 11:58:24
Look at it this way...providing travelling no distance....you are renewing the belt anyway, so once off, you can determine the next course of action, and yes, that price should cover a conti/gates belt...as I said earlier, I paid £16, ordering online through ECP :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 June 2015, 12:33:36
Is this the johnny?......Before I order.

http://tinyurl.com/ngxo9ca (http://tinyurl.com/ngxo9ca)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 June 2015, 14:33:03
 Seems no schedule going by this
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90441.0

So a visual inspection for cracks and splits presumably. As said.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 June 2015, 15:27:27
Seems no schedule going by this
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90441.0

So a visual inspection for cracks and splits presumably. As said.

94,000 miles and 12 years. It may be worth £14 for peace of mind.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 06 June 2015, 17:08:01
When mine went it was the tensioner pulley wheel that failed also and the belt just trashed itself.Got mine[don't recall what make]from A.E.Cook.Easy enough job to do,most awkward bit I found due to lack of space was the little bolt on the pipe bracket[aircon pipe?] that runs across front of engine in order to get new belt on.

SAI pipe assuming I've understood correctly  :)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 06 June 2015, 21:42:31
Nope, aircon pipe... At least it is on dbw v6s ;)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: TheBoy on 07 June 2015, 08:54:05
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.

Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 June 2015, 11:23:59
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.


Maybe I should go the genuine GM route then. I suppose they cost more than £14 though.

I can't find anywhere that sells the pulley separate from the tensioner.

Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 June 2015, 11:32:55
Looks like a genuine GM belt is about £32.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: chrisgixer on 07 June 2015, 12:10:41
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.



Indeed. Much like the check step bush, epc only gives the entire mechanism, rather than the much cheaper part that's actually at fault. Like the pulley in this case.


Option, remind me, why aren't you on Tc? No dealer near?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 07 June 2015, 14:03:54
Do we know a part number for aux tensioner pulley? Looked through the thread and can't see one unless I'm being blind of course  ::)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 June 2015, 15:01:56
Do we know a part number for aux tensioner pulley? Looked through the thread and can't see one unless I'm being blind of course  ::)

Seems to came with the tensioner which you probably don't want, need, ......or can afford.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: chrisgixer on 07 June 2015, 15:19:08
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.



Indeed. Much like the check step bush, epc only gives the entire mechanism, rather than the much cheaper part that's actually at fault. Like the pulley in this case.


Option, remind me, why aren't you on Tc? No dealer near?

That should say Opti. Question for Opti....?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: EMD on 07 June 2015, 15:44:55
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.


Maybe I should go the genuine GM route then. I suppose they cost more than £14 though.

I can't find anywhere that sells the pulley separate from the tensioner.

Egay is your friend , loads on there and more on the factor sites . Or stealers for a gold plated one  ;D
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Nick W on 07 June 2015, 16:52:49
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.


Maybe I should go the genuine GM route then. I suppose they cost more than £14 though.

I can't find anywhere that sells the pulley separate from the tensioner.


Try here:  [size=78%]http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html (http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html)[/size] 


Scrolling down you will find the belt you need for £14, a complete tensioner assembly for £38.45(which is damn cheap if you ask me) and just the pulley for £8.40. Of course, you won't get bent over the counter at your local dealer if you buy these, but then you won't need any extra lube and be walking funny afterwards, either


Multi-rib belts are part of an industrial system, where you buy parts according to their dimensions rather than it being fitted to a SUHONKAWACEDES Thingy-Do-Dah. Buying them from a motor-factor is just getting someone else to match the dimensions with the manufacturer's part nos.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: VXL V6 on 07 June 2015, 17:13:11
If you buy the SKF Aux kit you will get Aux belt tensioner, aux belt tensioner pulley, Water pump and aux belt in one box. I just get Daz to do both the SKF Cambelt and Auxbelt kits on my 2.6 every year (car does approx. 40K a year) and every four years on the 3.2 (Car won't have done 40K but the time period has been met).

I usually keep the belt I've removed in with the spare wheel along with the just removed pulley in the spare wheel well.

Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: chrisgixer on 07 June 2015, 17:35:11
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.


Maybe I should go the genuine GM route then. I suppose they cost more than £14 though.

I can't find anywhere that sells the pulley separate from the tensioner.


Try here:  [size=78%]http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html (http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html)[/size] 


Scrolling down you will find the belt you need for £14, a complete tensioner assembly for £38.45(which is damn cheap if you ask me) and just the pulley for £8.40. Of course, you won't get bent over the counter at your local dealer if you buy these, but then you won't need any extra lube and be walking funny afterwards, either


Multi-rib belts are part of an industrial system, where you buy parts according to their dimensions rather than it being fitted to a SUHONKAWACEDES Thingy-Do-Dah. Buying them from a motor-factor is just getting someone else to match the dimensions with the manufacturer's part nos.

Just so people are aware....

I can't speak for those parts linked to, but I can speak from experience of the parts on this page
http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/VAUXHALL_STEERING_ARM_-_9195731N.html
From the same site. Some of the utter trash taken off people's cars on my drive way has come from there, with a life time of weeks not even months.

Not a single manufacturers name in site, on the pages I saw, although obviously I haven't looked at every page, I would ask people to consider what's being sold here if the manufacturer won't add their name to their own product.

Sorry Nick but I'm surprised tbh. But if you do KNOW those parts life span then fair enough.

Personally I'd much rather pay the £11 Tc pulley price.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 07 June 2015, 19:47:59
more than happy to be guinea pig on the drive belt and pulley. Perhaps add results to your gen. dis. Thread re parts, Chris?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 June 2015, 19:51:37
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.


Maybe I should go the genuine GM route then. I suppose they cost more than £14 though.

I can't find anywhere that sells the pulley separate from the tensioner.


Try here:  [size=78%]http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html (http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html)[/size] 


Scrolling down you will find the belt you need for £14, a complete tensioner assembly for £38.45(which is damn cheap if you ask me) and just the pulley for £8.40. Of course, you won't get bent over the counter at your local dealer if you buy these, but then you won't need any extra lube and be walking funny afterwards, either


Multi-rib belts are part of an industrial system, where you buy parts according to their dimensions rather than it being fitted to a SUHONKAWACEDES Thingy-Do-Dah. Buying them from a motor-factor is just getting someone else to match the dimensions with the manufacturer's part nos.

Just so people are aware....

I can't speak for those parts linked to, but I can speak from experience of the parts on this page
http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/VAUXHALL_STEERING_ARM_-_9195731N.html
From the same site. Some of the utter trash taken off people's cars on my drive way has come from there, with a life time of weeks not even months.

Not a single manufacturers name in site, on the pages I saw, although obviously I haven't looked at every page, I would ask people to consider what's being sold here if the manufacturer won't add their name to their own product.

Sorry Nick but I'm surprised tbh. But if you do KNOW those parts life span then fair enough.

Personally I'd much rather pay the £11 Tc pulley price.

All genuine GM was the impression I was given.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: chrisgixer on 07 June 2015, 19:52:57
Why though? It's for a Vauxhall. Nothing to say it's made by Vauxhall.


Plus there is no way on gods green earth that idler is GM Opti.  ....seriously?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: biggriffin on 07 June 2015, 20:22:24



Try here:  [size=78%]http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html (http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html)[/size] 




The parts on that site pre-fixed N are pattern, but cheap enough as nick says :y
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 07 June 2015, 20:33:00
I change aux belts when they visually start to crack badly on the ribbed side (smooth side will always look good). I get my belts from wherever is convenient (usually GM, as they deliver it to my door, saves me going into Banbury). Also GM ones are always the right length, someof the Conti lookup tables are wrong, and provide a belt 10mm too short, straining tensioner.

I change tensioner pulley when its bearings sound rough (if you catch it quick enough, regreasing may be an option). I get my pulleys from GM. If your parts dept are shit, they will claim you have to buy whole tensioner, because EPC isn't that good.


Maybe I should go the genuine GM route then. I suppose they cost more than £14 though.

I can't find anywhere that sells the pulley separate from the tensioner.


Try here:  [size=78%]http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html (http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/Omega_Drive_Belts.html)[/size] 


Scrolling down you will find the belt you need for £14, a complete tensioner assembly for £38.45(which is damn cheap if you ask me) and just the pulley for £8.40. Of course, you won't get bent over the counter at your local dealer if you buy these, but then you won't need any extra lube and be walking funny afterwards, either


Multi-rib belts are part of an industrial system, where you buy parts according to their dimensions rather than it being fitted to a SUHONKAWACEDES Thingy-Do-Dah. Buying them from a motor-factor is just getting someone else to match the dimensions with the manufacturer's part nos.

Just so people are aware....

I can't speak for those parts linked to, but I can speak from experience of the parts on this page
http://www.vauxhall-car-parts.co.uk/acatalog/VAUXHALL_STEERING_ARM_-_9195731N.html
From the same site. Some of the utter trash taken off people's cars on my drive way has come from there, with a life time of weeks not even months.

Not a single manufacturers name in site, on the pages I saw, although obviously I haven't looked at every page, I would ask people to consider what's being sold here if the manufacturer won't add their name to their own product.

Sorry Nick but I'm surprised tbh. But if you do KNOW those parts life span then fair enough.

Personally I'd much rather pay the £11 Tc pulley price.

All genuine GM was the impression I was given.
The clue is the N at the end of the part number... It is shorthand for:

NEVER HAVING BEEN ANYWHERE NEAR A GENUINE VAUXHALL PART

It is in their small print... Also has the side effect of making their cheap fake parts actually seem quite expensive compared to genuine parts ::)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 08 June 2015, 13:27:35
Called Vx this morning. They want £33-summat plus vat for just the pulley. ''What's that come to with TC discount, please''....''oh yes we'll get you a bit of a discount on that sir''.......................I didn't even bother getting a quote for the belt.

Luckily ive found a spare tensioner in the garage with pulley. ill regrease and pop that on.

simply put I refuse to pay that.

belt ordered from VCP. As said ill keep a note of how long it lasts and let you know, chris. if interested for your thread.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 08 June 2015, 13:34:58
Actually, Mr The Bear, the belt wasn't so bad price. Mine was £26 with TC, which is about what I'd pay from a local motorfactors. Admittedly that's not as cheap as a cheap online supplier, but when I was asking about it, I had that many people on here saying they'd ordered the 'right' drive belts, they'd arrived wrong/too short etc, and ended up just going to Vx and getting the right one, saving the hassle, I opted for GM.

Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 June 2015, 16:41:28
Actually, Mr The Bear, the belt wasn't so bad price. Mine was £26 with TC, which is about what I'd pay from a local motorfactors. Admittedly that's not as cheap as a cheap online supplier, but when I was asking about it, I had that many people on here saying they'd ordered the 'right' drive belts, they'd arrived wrong/too short etc, and ended up just going to Vx and getting the right one, saving the hassle, I opted for GM.

Vx dealer has just quoted £44 for the belt and £37 for the pulley (minus the tensioner)

Do Vauxhall have a price list or do they make it up as they go along?
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 June 2015, 16:53:31

Vx dealer has just quoted £44 for the belt and £37 for the pulley (minus the tensioner)

Do Vauxhall have a price list or do they make it up as they go along?

Bend over M'lud!  ;D
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Nick W on 08 June 2015, 17:10:13
I did warn you!

3 to 4 times the price just for a Vx sticker on the packaging that you will put straight in the bin seems mental to me. And you have to choose your dealer carefully if you expect competence and good service as well.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: EMD on 08 June 2015, 17:53:47

Vx dealer has just quoted £44 for the belt and £37 for the pulley (minus the tensioner)

Do Vauxhall have a price list or do they make it up as they go along?

Bend over M'lud!  ;D





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Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 June 2015, 17:59:57
What did you expect? If you're happy to pay the price, then do so... Otherwise shop around ::)
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: TheBoy on 08 June 2015, 18:20:36
Do Vauxhall have a price list
Yes, there are set prices for retail and trade (and tradeclub if a tradeclub item).  Anyone should be able to get trade price on any item, unless you look stupid enough to pay full whack.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 June 2015, 19:10:12
I did warn you!

3 to 4 times the price just for a Vx sticker on the packaging that you will put straight in the bin seems mental to me. And you have to choose your dealer carefully if you expect competence and good service as well.

I tend to agree.

It doesn't seem cost effective to spend silly money on an elderly dowager like the Omega.
Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 08 June 2015, 19:11:32
What did you expect? If you're happy to pay the price, then do so... Otherwise shop around ::)

I was expecting around £11 as that's what other people have paid previously according to the thread.

As I'm not happy with that I ordered from VCP.  :y

Title: Re: What about the 'other belt'?
Post by: chrisgixer on 08 June 2015, 21:59:30
Actually, Mr The Bear, the belt wasn't so bad price. Mine was £26 with TC, which is about what I'd pay from a local motorfactors. Admittedly that's not as cheap as a cheap online supplier, but when I was asking about it, I had that many people on here saying they'd ordered the 'right' drive belts, they'd arrived wrong/too short etc, and ended up just going to Vx and getting the right one, saving the hassle, I opted for GM.

Vx dealer has just quoted £44 for the belt and £37 for the pulley (minus the tensioner)

Do Vauxhall have a price list or do they make it up as they go along?

And the trade club price is...? ::) ;D