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Title: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: terry paget on 07 November 2015, 08:13:12
As heading. This car is losing coolant and overheating, but the first I know is when it overheats. Is there a warning light, and, if so, where? I know more recent cars tell me in words. I have known false low indications, but never non-warnings. Could be a failed bulb, but which?
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2015, 08:19:53
Nope, doesn't have it on GLS
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2015, 08:21:22
Fluid levels are covered by the check control package, which is fitted to all CD and higher (ie, all Omegas bar GLS and Plod). The warning is on the MID/GID/CID.
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: terry paget on 07 November 2015, 08:37:12
Thanks. That explains that. This car has borne a charmed life. It has had 3 HBV failures in 10 years, first announced by overheating light, but head gasket has survived. Now it has a pinhole in the radiator header tank.
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 November 2015, 11:03:30
Terry, if an expansion tank with sensor can be had for the four pots (I don't know if they're the same as the v6s),
then you could retrofit a MID using Haynes and my guide...

You won't have headlight check control or possibly oil level, but coolant, fuel, brakelights and washer fluid level will all work readily enough... you simply need the stalk, the coolant tank with sensor and the washer fluid sensor, loom tails and some wire and a soldering iron :y
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 11:43:50
Nit teaching you to suck eggs here but have you checked the thermostat is operating? 
As for pinhole in coolant tank or other areas, chuck an egg into the header tank as the water is getting warm and the state is about to open so the water is flowing. Run the engine for at least another ten mins for the egg to work it's way into any leaking area.  :y
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2015, 15:50:27
Nit teaching you to suck eggs here but have you checked the thermostat is operating? 
As for pinhole in coolant tank or other areas, chuck an egg into the header tank as the water is getting warm and the state is about to open so the water is flowing. Run the engine for at least another ten mins for the egg to work it's way into any leaking area.  :y
Are you serious?
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: zirk on 08 November 2015, 16:17:12
chuck an egg into the header tank as the water is getting warm and the state is about to open so the water is flowing. Run the engine for at least another ten mins for the egg to work it's way into any leaking area.  :y
Terry, DO NOT PUT AN EGG INTO YOUR COOLANT SYSTEM!!
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Andy B on 08 November 2015, 16:43:06
chuck an egg into the header tank as the water is getting warm and the state is about to open so the water is flowing. Run the engine for at least another ten mins for the egg to work it's way into any leaking area.  :y
Terry, DO NOT PUT AN EGG INTO YOUR COOLANT SYSTEM!!

People have put eggs into cooling systems for years ...... the world won't end. It's only intended as a very quick, short term fix though  ;)
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 16:59:58

THERE IS NO DAMAGE DONE TO ADDING EGGS INTO THE COOLANT SYSTEM. 
Yes it's meant as a "temp measure" but I have never had issues doing this with the few I have had leak. If it's just the bottle that's leaking it's easily swapped.
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: baggers on 08 November 2015, 17:44:23
chuck an egg into the header tank as the water is getting warm and the state is about to open so the water is flowing. Run the engine for at least another ten mins for the egg to work it's way into any leaking area.  :y
Terry, DO NOT PUT AN EGG INTO YOUR COOLANT SYSTEM!!

Likewise !!
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 18:29:02
chuck an egg into the header tank as the water is getting warm and the state is about to open so the water is flowing. Run the engine for at least another ten mins for the egg to work it's way into any leaking area.  :y
Terry, DO NOT PUT AN EGG INTO YOUR COOLANT SYSTEM!!

Likewise !!
Ok. Prey tell, why should we NOT put egg into the cooling system?
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 08 November 2015, 18:45:15
How should one prepare the egg? Fried?
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: zirk on 08 November 2015, 18:46:23
chuck an egg into the header tank as the water is getting warm and the state is about to open so the water is flowing. Run the engine for at least another ten mins for the egg to work it's way into any leaking area.  :y
Terry, DO NOT PUT AN EGG INTO YOUR COOLANT SYSTEM!!
Well for starters, put an uncooked egg in the header tank bring up to temp as you suggested, whilst your waiting the HBV kicks in and you now have half cooked egg heading it's way to the heater matrix rad, what doesn't get stuck in there will end up probably cooked on its way to your front rads.

I wouldn't even think about putting Radwel in my Omega let alone a raw egg.

Likewise !!
Ok. Prey tell, why should we NOT put egg into the cooling system?
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2015, 19:16:38
How should one prepare the egg? Fried?
We're talking poached eggs here, Webby, no fat involved. Doubt you've ever heard of them.  ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 08 November 2015, 19:23:55
How should one prepare the egg? Fried?
We're talking poached eggs here, Webby, no fat involved. Doubt you've ever heard of them.  ;D

 ;D far cough

On a serious note I personally wouldn't do it. Let's say it acts the same as rad weld then it's going to clog the system. For proof of this the header tank in my mums car has a layer of shite in it after I put k seal in. Would never use it again and instead, repair the leak.  :y
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2015, 19:26:16
I had a small leak in my car, about half a litre a week. Couldn't afford to lose the car until half term so I just topped it up every night. No dramas.  :)

I had the cleanest coolant in town.  :y
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 08 November 2015, 19:29:09
Exactly what I do with my current small leak. Top it up once a month.  Always got fresh coolant. JD  :y
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 19:50:26

for starters, put an uncooked egg in the header tank bring up to temp as you suggested, whilst your waiting the HBV kicks in and you now have half cooked egg heading it's way to the heater matrix rad, what doesn't get stuck in there will end up probably cooked on its way to your front rads.

I wouldn't even think about putting Radwel in my Omega let alone a raw egg.

Likewise !!
Thats the idea, it goes round the whole system and when it finds a hole to get out of it will get pushed into it by the pressure if the water and stick to it the heat of the water then cooks it hard and seals the leak. I have had good success with this and no smells of any sort.
I wouldn't use Radweld either, eggs are cheaper than a cheap thing.  :y
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: The Red Baron on 08 November 2015, 20:02:30
You do talk 'dangle berries' sometimes vicar.
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: zirk on 08 November 2015, 20:06:34

for starters, put an uncooked egg in the header tank bring up to temp as you suggested, whilst your waiting the HBV kicks in and you now have half cooked egg heading it's way to the heater matrix rad, what doesn't get stuck in there will end up probably cooked on its way to your front rads.

I wouldn't even think about putting Radwel in my Omega let alone a raw egg.

Likewise !!
Thats the idea, it goes round the whole system and when it finds a hole to get out of it will get pushed into it by the pressure if the water and stick to it the heat of the water then cooks it hard and seals the leak. I have had good success with this and no smells of any sort.
I wouldn't use Radweld either, eggs are cheaper than a cheap thing.  :y
I know  how it works, and 40 years ago I would have probably agreed with you, but with modern high temp closed coolent systems its just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 20:07:41
Ahh no worries eh, just a wee suggestion to help a fellow enthusiast.
What works for some etc, this trick has never failed me.   :y
No-one has still said why it isn't a good move or said what damage it'll cause.
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2015, 20:19:39
Ahh no worries eh, just a wee suggestion to help a fellow enthusiast.
What works for some etc, this trick has never failed me.   :y
No-one has still said why it isn't a good move or said what damage it'll cause.
No one would tell you why it wasn't a good idea to stick your dick in a mincer. If you don't know, you don't know.  ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: zirk on 08 November 2015, 20:22:53
You're be telling me to put Golden Syrup in the Oil next to cure a failed Oil Cooler
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2015, 20:24:06
You're be telling me to put Golden Syrup in the Oil next to cure a failed Oil Cooler
Now you're just being facetious.  ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 20:41:52

No one would tell you why it wasn't a good idea to stick your dick in a mincer. If you don't know, you don't know.  ;D
This one I do know  ;D please enlighten me as to why it's not a good idea using an egg.
You're be telling me to put Golden Syrup in the Oil next to cure a failed Oil Cooler
Thats not one I heard of, I don't have a oil cooler but I'll bear it in mind. :D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: STEMO on 08 November 2015, 20:47:59

No one would tell you why it wasn't a good idea to stick your dick in a mincer. If you don't know, you don't know.  ;D
This one I do know  ;D please enlighten me as to why it's not a good idea using an egg.
You're be telling me to put Golden Syrup in the Oil next to cure a failed Oil Cooler
Thats not one I heard of, I don't have a oil cooler but I'll bear it in mind. :D
I'm not knowledgable enough to explain it to you, but I know someone who is. He'll probably pick up on this sometime next week. Get you tin hat out.  ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 21:12:09
Ok so the jury is out on the egg sealant..  ;)
I would still check the stat, even if you got a new one recently, check it's working? 8)
Thats not talking "dangle berries"
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 08 November 2015, 21:22:43
Actually you do have an oil cooler... sits between the filter and the block and has two coolant pipes connected to it... ::)

I would probably stick to cooking :-*
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 21:37:19
Actually you do have an oil cooler... sits between the filter and the block and has two coolant pipes connected to it... ::)

I would probably stick to cooking :-*
Fair enough. I thought the one mentioned before was to do with the auto gearboxes.
Everyday is a school day.  ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: zirk on 08 November 2015, 22:02:56
Actually you do have an oil cooler... sits between the filter and the block and has two coolant pipes connected to it... ::)

I would probably stick to cooking :-*
Fair enough. I thought the one mentioned before was to do with the auto gearboxes.
Everyday is a school day.  ;D
Nope, Omega Manuals have Oil Coolers.
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: zirk on 08 November 2015, 22:12:46

No one would tell you why it wasn't a good idea to stick your dick in a mincer. If you don't know, you don't know.  ;D
This one I do know  ;D please enlighten me as to why it's not a good idea using an egg.
You're be telling me to put Golden Syrup in the Oil next to cure a failed Oil Cooler
Thats not one I heard of, I don't have a oil cooler but I'll bear it in mind. :D
I'm not knowledgable enough to explain it to you, but I know someone who is. He'll probably pick up on this sometime next week. Get you tin hat out.  ;D
Ah, keep up STEMO, Its very simple, as the oil heats up, it thins the viscosity of the Golden Syrup, meaning the syrup flows easier around any possible oil leaks, as the syrup seeps through the cracks in the oil cooler it amalgamates meaning when the engine cools the Golden Syrup crystallises and thus forms a solid long life seal.  :y

Does wonders for the Cam lifters as well.  ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Steve B on 08 November 2015, 22:53:40

No one would tell you why it wasn't a good idea to stick your dick in a mincer. If you don't know, you don't know.  ;D
This one I do know  ;D please enlighten me as to why it's not a good idea using an egg.
You're be telling me to put Golden Syrup in the Oil next to cure a failed Oil Cooler
Thats not one I heard of, I don't have a oil cooler but I'll bear it in mind. :D
I'm not knowledgable enough to explain it to you, but I know someone who is. He'll probably pick up on this sometime next week. Get you tin hat out.  ;D
Ah, keep up STEMO, Its very simple, as the oil heats up, it thins the viscosity of the Golden Syrup, meaning the syrup flows easier around any possible oil leaks, as the syrup seeps through the cracks in the oil cooler it amalgamates meaning when the engine cools the Golden Syrup crystallises and thus forms a solid long life seal.  :y

Does wonders for the Cam lifters as well.  ;D
What time do tesco open  ;D ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Vicar on 08 November 2015, 23:01:52
Would this be similar to adding sand to the oil to enhance a port and Polish?  :D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Steve B on 08 November 2015, 23:34:56
Would this be similar to adding sand to the oil to enhance a port and Polish?  :D
;D ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: terry paget on 09 November 2015, 08:18:20
Actually you do have an oil cooler... sits between the filter and the block and has two coolant pipes connected to it... ::)

I would probably stick to cooking :-*
Are you sure, Al? My 2.2s have a cooling coil around the oil filter top, but there is no similar coil on this 2.0GL. I don't believe 2.0s have oil coolers.
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 09 November 2015, 08:56:37
The one facelift 2.0 16v I had the dubious honour of owning briefly had one...

Wouldn't go sticking an egg in it either way ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 09 November 2015, 10:43:38
Forgive my stupidity but do all cars not have oil coolers?
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 09 November 2015, 11:04:52
Forgive my stupidity but do all cars not have oil coolers?
Technically yes... It's called the radiator ;)
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Andy B on 09 November 2015, 11:08:49
Forgive my stupidity but do all cars not have oil coolers?
Technically yes... It's called the radiator ;)

The sump pan is the cooler  ;)
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Andy B on 09 November 2015, 11:09:06
Forgive my stupidity but do all cars not have oil coolers?

No  ;)
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 09 November 2015, 11:10:10
Forgive my stupidity but do all cars not have oil coolers?
Technically yes... It's called the radiator ;)

lol yeah that's kinda what I meant. let me rephrase...

don't all cars have a cooler for the engine oil that has coolant running through it to cool said oil? when I service peoples cars I notice that usually theres an assembly with lines coming from it around the oil filter area. I always assumed this was the oil cooler and that all cars had one.  :-\
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 09 November 2015, 11:10:45
Forgive my stupidity but do all cars not have oil coolers?

No  ;)

cheers andy  :y
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: STEMO on 09 November 2015, 11:20:06
Anyway....there's one important point you're all missing here. Six large eggs are worth more than an omega of this vintage.  ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: Webby the Bear on 09 November 2015, 11:26:53
Anyway....there's one important point you're all missing here. Six large eggs are worth more than an omega of this vintage.  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: wherer is low coolant warning on an R reg GLS petorl manual?
Post by: ronnyd on 09 November 2015, 12:46:29
Bloody foodies, they are getting everywhere. ;)