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Title: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 29 January 2016, 14:33:29
Ok, current PC is an HP Touchsmart 540... rebuilt when Windows 8 came out and now with 2TB memory and uprated processor.

Printer is an HP Officejet Pro 8600+

When Mother upgraded to Windows 10, at first offering of it last year, all was well... (I did express my opinion of the stupidity of this at the time but it was already done :-X)

Following several thousand updates, Windows 10 has deleted all the printer drivers. Tried reinstalling the printer, but it suggests that it isn't compatible with Windows 10.

Suggested solution was to replace the computer ::) to which I pointed out that replacing the printer for a Windows 10 compatible one would be cheaper and easier...

Mother has subsequently been looking at printers, and concluded that something from the HP Envy range would suffice... I actually quite like the Officejet, as although it's a bit of a sledgehammer for home use, it always works as advertised, and will still function perfectly with my Windows 8.1 laptop.

Thoughts please... and if anyone has a legal link to a driver update for that printer/Windows 10, then that would be appreciated :y
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: b4ndit on 29 January 2016, 15:08:10
have you tried the hp website that's where I had to get my updated drivers from for my hp photosmart 5520 and seems to work ok  :y :)
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: dbug on 29 January 2016, 15:20:38
Ok, current PC is an HP Touchsmart 540... rebuilt when Windows 8 came out and now with 2TB memory and uprated processor.

Printer is an HP Officejet Pro 8600+

When Mother upgraded to Windows 10, at first offering of it last year, all was well... (I did express my opinion of the stupidity of this at the time but it was already done :-X)

Following several thousand updates, Windows 10 has deleted all the printer drivers. Tried reinstalling the printer, but it suggests that it isn't compatible with Windows 10.

Suggested solution was to replace the computer ::) to which I pointed out that replacing the printer for a Windows 10 compatible one would be cheaper and easier...

Mother has subsequently been looking at printers, and concluded that something from the HP Envy range would suffice... I actually quite like the Officejet, as although it's a bit of a sledgehammer for home use, it always works as advertised, and will still function perfectly with my Windows 8.1 laptop.

Thoughts please... and if anyone has a legal link to a driver update for that printer/Windows 10, then that would be appreciated :y

According to HP OfficeJet 8600+ is Win 10 compat - you want the HP "full feature" driver - http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Officejet-Pro-8600-e-All-in-One-Printer-series---N911/4322914/model/4323658/document/c04658195 (http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Officejet-Pro-8600-e-All-in-One-Printer-series---N911/4322914/model/4323658/document/c04658195)

Just used this driver to update mate's HP Officejet 7612 after it refused to work with Win 10 update.  Now OK

HTH
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 29 January 2016, 16:36:06
Thank you for that, will try it and report back :y
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: TheBoy on 29 January 2016, 18:04:15
The full download that dbug posted looks good. You may get away with just installing the driver section, but that may prevent network scanning etc.

I've not been impressed with Envy printers (or Envy laptops for that matter) for reliability.  If you can run to it, a (semi) business class colour laser might be a better option.

I paid less than £250 (before cashback offers) last summer for an AIO HP LaserJet Pro (473dw I think), bloody brilliant machine if not printing 100s of pages a month (and toner tends not to dry out like ink cartirdges). I would highly recommend this for general home use. There are better photo printers about, there are better general printers about, but this is a good all rounder at a good price point.
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 29 January 2016, 18:12:03
I texted the link over to Mother and told her to follow the instructions...

Only question so far is whether the printer is connected by USB cable... Could be a long evening lol.

Will pass on observations re Envy printers as that is what she was looking at ::)
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 29 January 2016, 20:24:59
Update...
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After two hours, I have given up

 ::)

Apparently it doesn't acknowledge the presence of the printer :-\
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: Mr Gav on 29 January 2016, 20:46:32
Update...
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After two hours, I have given up

 ::)

Apparently it doesn't acknowledge the presence of the printer :-\

If the printer is Windows 10 compatible and the drivers are for Windows 10 the maybe it`s a PC problem.

Are all the chipsets and USB controllers using the latest Windows 10 drivers?
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 29 January 2016, 20:52:46
Pass... I did suggest uninstalling Windows 10, but that was met with I can't ::)
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: Mr Gav on 29 January 2016, 22:08:49
Looking on the HP website for that model suggests that driver and software is only available up to Windows 7 and I think that may be your problem.

Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: dbug on 29 January 2016, 22:43:35
Looking on the HP website for that model suggests that driver and software is only available up to Windows 7 and I think that may be your problem.

Rubbish - the HP site confirms op's printer as Win 10 compat and advises a win 10 driver - look under OfficeJet win 10 compatability  ;)

@OP - you need to totally uninstall any previous printer drivers prior to using new driver.  Unplug printer from usb port, run new driver software, and connect printer (switched on) when prompted.
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 29 January 2016, 22:53:01
Looking on the HP website for that model suggests that driver and software is only available up to Windows 7 and I think that may be your problem.

Rubbish - the HP site confirms op's printer as Win 10 compat and advises a win 10 driver - look under OfficeJet win 10 compatability  ;)

@OP - you need to totally uninstall any previous printer drivers prior to using new driver.  Unplug printer from usb port, run new driver software, and connect printer (switched on) when prompted.
I shall personally try thay tomorrow ;) hopefully be more straightforward than trying to do it remotely third hand ::)
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: Mr Gav on 29 January 2016, 23:59:41
Looking on the HP website for that model suggests that driver and software is only available up to Windows 7 and I think that may be your problem.

Rubbish - the HP site confirms op's printer as Win 10 compat and advises a win 10 driver - look under OfficeJet win 10 compatability  ;)

@OP - you need to totally uninstall any previous printer drivers prior to using new driver.  Unplug printer from usb port, run new driver software, and connect printer (switched on) when prompted.

I was looking on the website for the PC HERE (http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-TouchSmart-IQ540-Desktop-PC-series/3942784/model/3967743)
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 30 January 2016, 00:03:53
Should have been clearer... When it was rebuilt, Windows 8 had been out about six months and was installed from scratch...
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: Mr Gav on 30 January 2016, 00:22:19
When it was rebuilt did you use a new motherboard or the original one that came with the machine?
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: dbug on 30 January 2016, 00:28:38
Looking on the HP website for that model suggests that driver and software is only available up to Windows 7 and I think that may be your problem.

Rubbish - the HP site confirms op's printer as Win 10 compat and advises a win 10 driver - look under OfficeJet win 10 compatability  ;)

@OP - you need to totally uninstall any previous printer drivers prior to using new driver.  Unplug printer from usb port, run new driver software, and connect printer (switched on) when prompted.

I was looking on the website for the PC HERE (http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-TouchSmart-IQ540-Desktop-PC-series/3942784/model/3967743)

Thats for computer drivers NOT printer drivers ::)
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 30 January 2016, 00:36:39
When it was rebuilt did you use a new motherboard or the original one that came with the machine?
I honestly don't know... Got rebuilt due to hard drive failure...
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: Mr Gav on 30 January 2016, 00:46:02
Looking on the HP website for that model suggests that driver and software is only available up to Windows 7 and I think that may be your problem.

Rubbish - the HP site confirms op's printer as Win 10 compat and advises a win 10 driver - look under OfficeJet win 10 compatability  ;)

@OP - you need to totally uninstall any previous printer drivers prior to using new driver.  Unplug printer from usb port, run new driver software, and connect printer (switched on) when prompted.

 I know  ;) if the printer is compatible with Windows 10 and has drivers for Windows 10 the the problem may lie else where, the PC isn`t compatible with Windows 10 in original format but has been rebuilt but to what extent we don`t know. If it`s still on the original motherboard then it`s highly likley that that is the problem as there might not be Windows 10 drivers for that motherboard if you get my drift.

Although you can install windows 10 on the machine and most of it might work there might be a couple of things that don`t.

My old Toshiba laptop ran Widows 10 but a couple of things never really worked properly and then it just gave up the ghost but I`ll gamble that there weren`t all the drivers for it, the trackpad being one, in Windows 8.1 it was fine and worked flawlessly but was not a happy bunny with Windows 10 and the track pad inherited some strange behavior.

I was looking on the website for the PC HERE (http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-TouchSmart-IQ540-Desktop-PC-series/3942784/model/3967743)

Thats for computer drivers NOT printer drivers ::)
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: Mr Gav on 30 January 2016, 00:53:05
When it was rebuilt did you use a new motherboard or the original one that came with the machine?
I honestly don't know... Got rebuilt due to hard drive failure...

It`s unlikely the motherboard will have been changed for a hard drive failure, CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html) could tell us which motherboard is in the machine then a quick look on the website should say if the drivers are available for Windows 10
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: TheBoy on 30 January 2016, 17:54:35
This does not sound like a PC <> Windows 10 incompatibility, more a printer driver conflict.

Taxi Al - dbug's advice above is a good start. Though I'd look in install software list (Start, type "Add or Remove programs") and select the one with cog next to it), and remove anything related to hp printers first.

Good luck.
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 30 January 2016, 18:38:21
I shall be having a go at this when I get in in the morning ;)
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: minifreek on 31 January 2016, 10:48:27
2TB memory.....????

Thought I was doing good when I rebuilt my machine a couple of weeks ago and installed 16Gb....




BUT, I agree, it does sound more like a software conflict more than hardware issue...
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: STEMO on 31 January 2016, 11:18:42
2TB memory.....????

Thought I was doing good when I rebuilt my machine a couple of weeks ago and installed 16Gb....




BUT, I agree, it does sound more like a software conflict more than hardware issue...
2Tb of disc space, surely?
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 31 January 2016, 12:27:32
2TB memory.....????

Thought I was doing good when I rebuilt my machine a couple of weeks ago and installed 16Gb....




BUT, I agree, it does sound more like a software conflict more than hardware issue...
2Tb of disc space, surely?
That too  ;D
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 31 January 2016, 13:04:54
Installation Error

Call to DriverPackageInstall returned error 1627 for package
'C:\Program Files\HP\HP Officejet Pro
8600\DriverStore\Pipeline\hpvol09.inf'

Apparently  ???
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 31 January 2016, 13:18:49
Says solution is to unplug usb cable... it is already ::)

Keeps getting to the same point... tried five times :-\
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 31 January 2016, 13:47:49
Says solution is to unplug usb cable... it is already ::)

Keeps getting to the same point... tried five times :-\
That's 10 times now... >:(

It still thinks the printer is plugged in... the cable is unplugged both ends, wireless is off and the printer might as well be in Scotland it's that disconnected...
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 31 January 2016, 14:18:40
Tried the fresh out of the box plug it in and see what happens approach as well...

Printer is now in the device list, but no amount of trying will get it to load the drivers... keeps coming back to that same message :-\
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 31 January 2016, 14:34:41
Now reinstalling Windows 8 Pro 64Bit  :-X
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 31 January 2016, 16:31:20
Now reinstalling Windows 8 Pro 64Bit  :-X
Or not...

That didn't work either...

Printer is showing in device liust, but states No driver, requires troubleshooting... Small print on HP site says that product drivers from pre 2013 might not have been developed for Win10 and therefore devices might not work properly and, in some cases, not at all :'(

Plugged printer into my Windows 8.1 laptop, self installed in about 2 minutes, working perfectly, so obviously a Win10 driver issue...

Thanks for all the suggestions, but looks like we need a Win10 printer :-\
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: Jimbob on 31 January 2016, 17:00:27
Have you actually proved the printer (and cable)  is still working elsewhere?
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 31 January 2016, 17:33:11
Have you actually proved the printer (and cable)  is still working elsewhere?
Yup :y working perfectly through laptop...
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: dbug on 31 January 2016, 23:42:57
Installation Error

Call to DriverPackageInstall returned error 1627 for package
'C:\Program Files\HP\HP Officejet Pro
8600\DriverStore\Pipeline\hpvol09.inf'

Apparently  ???
Says solution is to unplug usb cable... it is already ::)

Keeps getting to the same point... tried five times :-\

Both the above indicate that old drivers not fully uninstalled.


Now reinstalling Windows 8 Pro 64Bit  :-X
Or not...

That didn't work either...

Printer is showing in device liust, but states No driver, requires troubleshooting... Small print on HP site says that product drivers from pre 2013 might not have been developed for Win10 and therefore devices might not work properly and, in some cases, not at all :'(

Plugged printer into my Windows 8.1 laptop, self installed in about 2 minutes, working perfectly, so obviously a Win10 driver issue...

Thanks for all the suggestions, but looks like we need a Win10 printer :-\

Guess you plugged printer into usb port before dowloading and running latest hp driver pack. 

Correct driver pack to download from hp site is

"HP Officejet Pro 8600 Plus/Premium e-All-in-One Printer series - N911a-n Full Feature Software and Driver, Ver28.8, size 118.1 MB, dated   Nov 13, 2015."  Thats contains the Win10 drivers for your printer.  Thats the one (Full Feature) I used for mate and it installed fine.




Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 February 2016, 00:20:58
Nope, USB definitely remained unplugged... drivers download fine, but never gets past the first of six installation...
Title: Re: PC/Windows 10/Printer conundrum...
Post by: 05omegav6 on 05 February 2016, 07:09:08
Thank you again for all the replies...

Purchased an HP laserjet DN252w iirc, wouldn't self install, so tried installing from the supplied disc, but computer still said no...

About ten hours of troubleshooting later, and Windows 10 was restored to a point in mid December. Turns out the old printer had been fine on December 21st, but a subsequent Win10 update had stopped it working... two pieces of information that might have been useful to know when I asked the initial question ::) :-X but net result seems to be that something in the update corrupts the printer drivers :-\

We now have two working printers ::)