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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: terry paget on 04 March 2016, 11:49:16
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2000 2.5 petrol manual MFL estate
Son Ben has been using this car as a builder's van for the last month, carrying rubble to the tip in it. I am cleaning it out, but find the rear central seat belt - the one in the seat back - will not pull out. Car is due MOT soon. How do I repair it?
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This might be of help - never replaced one myself :(
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90672.0
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Many thanks. Exactly what I need.
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Make sure rear seat is fully locked in position......
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It was lccked upright; I tried waggling it and putting seat back up and down but to no avail.#
Following 05omegav6's excellent guide, I have got the 4 Torx screws out, but see no cable, and am obstructed from pulling the belt etc. through the hole in the seat back by a plastic button through the belt not mentioned in the guide. Can anyone help?
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2000 2.5 petrol manual MFL estate
Son Ben has been using this car as a builder's van for the last month, carrying rubble to the tip in it. I am cleaning it out, but find the rear central seat belt - the one in the seat back - will not pull out. Car is due MOT soon. How do I repair it?
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It was lccked upright; I tried waggling it and putting seat back up and down but to no avail.#
Following 05omegav6's excellent guide, I have got the 4 Torx screws out, but see no cable, and am obstructed from pulling the belt etc. through the hole in the seat back by a plastic button through the belt not mentioned in the guide. Can anyone help?
Get violent... That trim needs lifting from it's frame... Also need to strip armrest assembly and peel the Fabric/foam... Then the cable will become visible.
Best done on bench rather than in the car ;)
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You can buy that plastic button if you break it.. :y
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Removed buttons, now have harness lying on back of seat. I see the cable, have not broken it yet. I could not see how easily to remove the armrest. I could work on the harness where it is, though I understand it would be easier on the bench. I have paused here for more advice. Should I remove the cable end cover and attempt to repairthe harness? With the cover off could I easily detach the cable?
I attempt to attach a picture.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3yuyrblp76r2zar/REARharness50%25.jpg?dl=1)
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I simply removed the pawl mechanism from the lock cable side of the reel... this doesn't affect the inertia lock function. As the guide stresses, do NOT remove the cover from the opposite side of the reel to the cable ;)
Basically, and from memory, remove cable cover, unhook cable, remove cage and ball bearing, check belt function, refit cover and reassemble seatback.
Incidentally, the arm rest is attached by four screws. Backing cover by four clips... once cover is removed, then further four screws/bolts mount the hinge assemblies.
Hth :y
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It's about 7 years since I wrote the guide, so apologies if the details are sketchy ;)
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Got the cover off, I see the ball in cage and the cable end catch; sadly both seem to be free and working normally. The fault with the harness is that the belt will not pull out; the two catches under the cover would stop the belt winding in, not unwinding. My fault seems to be that the belt is latched as if under tension. In the same way as a belt locks if it is pulled hard. I have tried various angles of tilt, but cannot get it to release the belt.
Pic follows.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/scsq0uj3jgq16fm/harness40%25.jpg?dl=1)
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Good news! My wife, watching me struggling with this belt, took it her window seat and played with it. After 10 minutes she was pulling the harness out easily, while pushing out the upper white slider, the one normally pulled by the cable. She handed it to me, I could do it too, then the lever came out and the spring span away to disappear. With spring and white slider missing the belt coil worked perfectly. I replaced the slider and spring and it was stuck again. Conclusion: only when the cable pulls back the slider can the belt pull out.
05omegav6 stated in his guide that he broke off the plastic cable connector but it did not matter and was not much missed. I imagine he also dislodged the plastic slider, good thing too. Maybe I am wrong. I am inclined to replace the reel without the slider and spring and with cable disconnected, as I see little merit in the reel being locked when the seat back latch is depressed.
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I refer to the upper white slider and spring in this picture. The cable pulls the slider outwards, or should.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2gbguk6b9s26t3/BELTlock25%25.jpg?dl=1)
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Sickening thought; when I re-rect the seat back the release plunger does not always spring all the way up. So long as the back was secure I did not worry about it. This time I checked the central harness, and found it locked. It has probably happened for years but I never knew. A warning to other Omega estate owners.
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Make sure rear seat is fully locked in position......
Thanks jb. There was the clue, but I missed it. I was not aware of the link between backrest release plunger and central belt locking. I am now!
And thanks to Al for his excellent guide, and advice. This belt has led me a merry dance, and it is not re-assembled yet.
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Removed the lot, but as said, was seven years ago, pic jogged memory :y Glad you've sussed it :y
Seat lock button/mechanism is a simple but weak design, and easily damaged over time by pushing button down too far... usually pops back up following a firm slap or two where the latch is :y I have yet to find a way to fix this which doesn't involve either a replacement seat back or a large screwdriver and hammer to latch/unlatch the seat back :-\
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With seat back upright and locked, I pressed the release button and watched he cable end. It did pull in, and on release slowly emerged as the button rose slightly. To ensure cure of my fault I removed the slider and spring depicted and reassembled. Seat belt now works normally. Hard to imagine the merit of that feature, locking the belt while the button is depressed. As I observed to wife, that belt has never been used, so no reason to fail, whereas driver's belt has has 16 years of daily use. How dare it fail?
Thanks again for help Al. Did quick check, greased brake pipes, think the car is now ready for MOT after 14th..
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The belt is attached to the seat back, yes?
The locks are there to ensure that the seat back is locked in position when you use the middle seat..
Otherwise in the event of a crash the seat back flies forward with you attached to it making the seat belt rather pointless..
(I used to have the same trouble with mine - generally spent five minutes whacking the seat back like some kind of crazed tourettes sufferer every time I put it back up..)
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The belt is attached to the seat back, yes?
The locks are there to ensure that the seat back is locked in position when you use the middle seat..
Otherwise in the event of a crash the seat back flies forward with you attached to it making the seat belt rather pointless..
(I used to have the same trouble with mine - generally spent five minutes whacking the seat back like some kind of crazed tourettes sufferer every time I put it back up..)
The dead bolt locks the seat backs together, there's also cable controlled locking quadrants at the centre hinge, plus the tilt lock on the centre belt. Righthand button has one cable attached to it, lefthand one has two, one for the lock and one for the centre belt.
Without the tilt lock, the centre belt functions as designed regardless of seat back position.
If the buttons are up, the the hinge quadrants are locked and vice versa... Note the quadrant spring gets weak over time and isn't a servicable part.
The upper deadbolt should always be used as it reduces the chances of boot loads punching through the seat back in a frontal prang.
Incidentally the lock quadrants and dead bolt aren't present on PFL cars.
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The belt is attached to the seat back, yes?
The locks are there to ensure that the seat back is locked in position when you use the middle seat..
Otherwise in the event of a crash the seat back flies forward with you attached to it making the seat belt rather pointless..
(I used to have the same trouble with mine - generally spent five minutes whacking the seat back like some kind of crazed tourettes sufferer every time I put it back up..)
Yes, I'm sure that is the reason. However, unless someone chooses to sit in the middle without anyone either side, the side harnesses will also restrain the backrest.