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estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« on: 04 March 2016, 11:49:16 »

2000 2.5 petrol manual MFL estate
Son Ben has been using this car as a builder's van for the last month, carrying rubble to the tip in it. I am cleaning it out, but find the rear central seat belt - the one in the seat back - will not pull out. Car is due MOT soon. How do I repair it?
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #1 on: 04 March 2016, 14:56:14 »

This might be of help - never replaced one myself   :(

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90672.0
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #2 on: 04 March 2016, 15:12:21 »

Many thanks. Exactly what I need.
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #3 on: 04 March 2016, 18:59:45 »

Make sure rear seat is fully locked in position......
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #4 on: 04 March 2016, 20:01:15 »

It was lccked upright; I tried waggling it and putting seat back up and down but to no avail.#

Following 05omegav6's excellent guide, I have got the 4 Torx screws out, but see no cable, and am obstructed from pulling the belt etc. through the hole in the seat back by a plastic button through the belt not mentioned in the guide. Can anyone help?
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #5 on: 04 March 2016, 20:27:23 »

2000 2.5 petrol manual MFL estate
Son Ben has been using this car as a builder's van for the last month, carrying rubble to the tip in it. I am cleaning it out, but find the rear central seat belt - the one in the seat back - will not pull out. Car is due MOT soon. How do I repair it?

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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #6 on: 04 March 2016, 20:38:09 »

It was lccked upright; I tried waggling it and putting seat back up and down but to no avail.#

Following 05omegav6's excellent guide, I have got the 4 Torx screws out, but see no cable, and am obstructed from pulling the belt etc. through the hole in the seat back by a plastic button through the belt not mentioned in the guide. Can anyone help?
Get violent... That trim needs lifting from it's frame... Also need to strip armrest assembly and peel the Fabric/foam... Then the cable will become visible.

Best done on bench rather than in the car ;)
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #7 on: 04 March 2016, 21:17:51 »

You can buy that plastic button if you break it.. :y
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #8 on: 05 March 2016, 10:37:22 »

Removed buttons, now have harness lying on back of seat. I see the cable, have not broken it yet. I could not see how easily to remove the armrest. I could work on the harness where it is, though I understand it would be easier on the bench. I have paused here for more advice. Should I remove the cable end cover and attempt to repairthe harness? With the cover off could I easily detach the cable?
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #9 on: 05 March 2016, 11:05:00 »

I simply removed the pawl mechanism from the lock cable side of the reel... this doesn't affect the inertia lock function. As the guide stresses, do NOT remove the cover from the opposite side of the reel to the cable ;)

Basically, and from memory, remove cable cover, unhook cable, remove cage and ball bearing, check belt function, refit cover and reassemble seatback.

Incidentally,  the arm rest is attached by four screws. Backing cover by four clips... once cover is removed, then further four screws/bolts mount the hinge assemblies.

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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #10 on: 05 March 2016, 11:06:10 »

It's about 7 years since I wrote the guide, so apologies if the details are sketchy ;)
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #11 on: 05 March 2016, 12:45:15 »

Got the cover off, I see the ball in cage and the cable end catch; sadly both seem to be free and working normally. The fault with the harness is that the belt will not pull out; the two catches under the cover would stop the belt winding in, not unwinding. My fault seems to be that the belt is latched as if under tension. In the same way as a belt locks if it is pulled hard. I have tried various angles of tilt, but cannot get it to release the belt.
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #12 on: 05 March 2016, 14:56:59 »

Good news! My wife, watching me struggling with  this belt, took it her window seat and played with it. After 10 minutes she was pulling the harness out easily, while pushing out the upper white slider, the one normally pulled by the cable. She handed it to me, I could do it too, then the lever came out and the spring span away to disappear. With spring and white slider missing the belt coil worked perfectly. I replaced the slider and spring and it was stuck again. Conclusion: only when the cable pulls back the slider can the belt pull out.
05omegav6 stated in his guide that he broke off the plastic cable connector but it did not matter and was not much missed. I imagine he also dislodged the plastic slider, good thing too. Maybe I am wrong. I am inclined to replace the reel without the slider and spring and with cable disconnected, as I see little merit in the reel being locked when the seat back latch is depressed.
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #13 on: 05 March 2016, 15:13:27 »

I refer to the upper white slider and spring in this picture. The cable pulls the slider outwards, or should.
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Re: estate central rear seat belt will not pull out
« Reply #14 on: 05 March 2016, 16:16:35 »

Sickening thought; when I re-rect the seat back the release plunger does not always spring all the way up. So long as the back was secure I did not worry about it. This time I checked the central harness, and found it locked. It has probably happened for years but I never knew. A warning to other Omega estate owners.
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