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Title: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 18:40:02
So my trusty steed the 2.2 is going to need new boots in the coming weeks, health check today found a screw in front tyre.  >:(

It's repaired but it was getting very low anyway, so it's bought me a little time. Current set are Khumo 31's which came on a set of CDX alloys I bought off PaulS in 2012, I've been very, very happy with these tyres for my needs. Excellent low noise, really are silent on a run, ample grip in wet and dry. Put them on at 155k miles and it's now on 188k, so can't really complain.

So what are the options for next? (225/55/R16) or could do (215/55/R16)

Local independent place who I'm trying, fixed the tyre for £20 offered some "Mohawk's" for £66 a corner fitted, but research suggests cheap Chinese crap. Their next step up were "Avon Z7's" @ £76 corner.

Blackboots at WIM suggested some shitty AutoGrips at £61 fitted, or Falken's at £86  ::)

I'm very tempted to try RobG's suggestion of these:

http://www.macctyresltd.co.uk/tyre-details.asp?id=20&Accelera (http://www.macctyresltd.co.uk/tyre-details.asp?id=20&Accelera)

With fitting would be £74 corner.

To add into the Mix the 3.2 needs tyres soon as well, but I've got a set of almost knew KU39's from MotherT's old estate to go on the newer Elite rims on the 3.2

That would leave a spare set of older Elite alloys, which I could put on the 2.2. 17's do appear cheaper, need to do some research.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 April 2016, 18:47:55
Stick to the right sizes, so don't be tempted by 215's just to save a few pence.

As to make of rubber, our needs differ too much for my recommendations to be valid for you.

But do stick to proper sizes.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 18:52:05
Hummm 17's really are a lot cheaper these days, it's easier to get KU31's for 17's

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&cart_id=32120211.110.25666&Cookie=froogle&Breite=235&Quer=45&Felge=17&Speed=&Load=&kategorie=&Marke=&ranzahl=4&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&weiter=50&sort_by=preis&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&filter_preis_bis=&filter_preis_von=&homologation=&Label=C-B-71-2&details=Ordern&typ=R-298257 (http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&cart_id=32120211.110.25666&Cookie=froogle&Breite=235&Quer=45&Felge=17&Speed=&Load=&kategorie=&Marke=&ranzahl=4&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&weiter=50&sort_by=preis&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&filter_preis_bis=&filter_preis_von=&homologation=&Label=C-B-71-2&details=Ordern&typ=R-298257)

£66 corner + fitting.  :-\
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 18:54:30
Stick to the right sizes, so don't be tempted by 215's just to save a few pence.

As to make of rubber, our needs differ too much for my recommendations to be valid for you.

But do stick to proper sizes.

Will do, current 17's stacked in garage from old Elite are right, being 235/45/17.

Tempted to pop those on the 2.2 as ready to go, then get new tyres for 3.2 over the summer.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 April 2016, 18:55:50
I suspect that's because the 17s are probably newer stock.

Tyre prices are plummeting at the moment.

Even the most expensive tyres for the MV6 are £90 fitted.  Makes a (top end) budget like Khumo bloody expensive at £75.

I believe Omegas can with Michelin PS2 and/or PS3 as standard. For your driving style, I'd say these could be really viable - quiet, resistant to tramline, quite durable.....
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 18:57:50
WIM:

Primacy 3
225/55R16 MICH PRIM 3 95W
Safety to the Power of 3
YouTube video icon

Fully fitted price: £126.12
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: biggriffin on 01 April 2016, 18:58:19
I suspect that's because the 17s are probably newer stock.

Tyre prices are plummeting at the moment.

Even the most expensive tyres for the MV6 are  fitted.£90  Makes a (top end) budget like Khumo bloody expensive at £75.

I believe Omegas can with Michelin PS2 and/or PS3 as standard. For your driving style, I'd say these could be really viable - quiet, resistant to tramline, quite durable.....

Is that a pair. ;D
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 18:59:24
WIM:

Primacy 3
235/45R17 MICH PRIMACY 3 94W
Safety to the Power of 3
YouTube video icon

Fully fitted price: £119.50
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 April 2016, 18:59:49
WIM:

Primacy 3
225/55R16 MICH PRIM 3 95W
Safety to the Power of 3
YouTube video icon

Fully fitted price: £126.12
Ignore WIM's online pricing, its rubbish.

If going for Michelin, go for Pilot Sport, not Primacy (eco 'dangle berries').  I only suggest PS2/PS3 because that was what GM fitted, and I believe you won't have the troubles I had with them.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 April 2016, 19:01:04
I suspect that's because the 17s are probably newer stock.

Tyre prices are plummeting at the moment.

Even the most expensive tyres for the MV6 are  fitted.£90  Makes a (top end) budget like Khumo bloody expensive at £75.

I believe Omegas can with Michelin PS2 and/or PS3 as standard. For your driving style, I'd say these could be really viable - quiet, resistant to tramline, quite durable.....

Is that a pair. ;D
MOST expensive. Although most premium brand 235/45/17 are in the £85-£90 mark (fitted).
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 19:03:15
WIM:

Primacy 3
225/55R16 MICH PRIM 3 95W
Safety to the Power of 3
YouTube video icon

Fully fitted price: £126.12
Ignore WIM's online pricing, its rubbish.

If going for Michelin, go for Pilot Sport, not Primacy (eco 'dangle berries').  I only suggest PS2/PS3 because that was what GM fitted, and I believe you won't have the troubles I had with them.

Prices over the phone different then?  :-\

I'm struggling to see any decent brands cheapish for 17's

Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3's are on MyTyres for £81 a corner delivered.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 19:05:09
Black Circles would do Goodyear AS2's for £85 fitted on Elite rims.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 April 2016, 19:07:46
Prices over the phone different then?  :-\
As always with any bricks and mortar place... ;)
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 April 2016, 19:09:23
Black Circles would do Goodyear AS2's for £85 fitted on Elite rims.
Midrange tyre at premium price. Though I doubt you'll overdrive them in 2.2.  Mid range grip levels, pronounced tramline when part worn.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 19:11:02
I'm tempted to put old Elite alloys with KU39's on the 2.2 and treat the 3.2 to new boots instead, as they also need replacing soon and are just crap.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: Andy B on 01 April 2016, 21:19:03
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If going for Michelin, go for Pilot Sport, not Primacy (eco 'dangle berries').  ....

I never had a problem with Primacys ......  :-\
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 21:20:12
Anything Michelin is coming out at £100 a corner for me.  :-\
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: Andy B on 01 April 2016, 21:20:53
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Any thoughts?

Put decent premium tyres on ...... you've a young family in your car  ;)
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: Andy B on 01 April 2016, 21:21:32
Anything Michelin is coming out at £100 a corner for me.  :-\

Think yourself lucky ...... that buys half a tyre for my R Class  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: ted_one on 01 April 2016, 21:34:07
Just put 4 B F Goodrich on the MV6 at £70 a corner,seem OK :-\
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: johnnydog on 01 April 2016, 22:08:00
I've got a set of Micheln PS3's on my Elite, and I can't fault them - quiet, good wet/dry grip, although they didn't like the snow on Tuesday morning! I got stuck and couldn't go anywhere, but that was more down to the car, not the tyres (or the driver...!!). At least a rwd BMW got stuck as well....
But having tried many makes over the years, its Michelins for me.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 01 April 2016, 22:46:20
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Any thoughts?

Put decent premium tyres on ...... you've a young family in your car  ;)

Yup, good thoughts there. Also another reason for splashing out a bit on 3.2, as that is the family car  :)

Anything Michelin is coming out at £100 a corner for me.  :-\

Think yourself lucky ...... that buys half a tyre for my R Class  ;) ;)

But I'm used to £100 for 4 tyres, almost brand new..... that come with a free alloy wheel  ;D
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: Andy B on 01 April 2016, 22:53:22
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But I'm used to £100 for 4 tyres, almost brand new..... that come with a free alloy wheel  ;D

The last four tyres I bought were from my Smart Roadster 205/50/15 and were Uniroyal Rainsport 3 ... £60 a corner and stick to the road like the proverbial to a blanket both dry & in the piddling rain.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: pauls on 01 April 2016, 22:56:51
Just spent £229 on two dunlops fitted from blackcircle.  O yes thats for 235/40/18..

And no mr tunnie they are not for sales with free alloys....not yet anyway ;D ;D
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: baggers on 01 April 2016, 23:27:20
Cheap really, the Michelin Pilots 225 55 16 fitted to the Omega when launched back in the 90's were £200 each  :o
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: Lazydocker on 02 April 2016, 00:42:42
I've been reasonably impressed with PS3's and would certainly consider them again.

For you, the Accellera Alpha will be more than adequate ;)
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 April 2016, 01:14:44
Got Dunlop Blueresponses on the trolley... £15 cheaper than 18" budgets on the Omega :o
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 02 April 2016, 08:25:16
Always had Michelins on my 2.6 came with them from new cost a bit more but absolutely no problems at all 26,000 miles from each set & still legal when replaced.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: Webby the Bear on 02 April 2016, 16:29:16
So where are you ladies getting your ps3's in 225/55/16? Local tyre supplier told me he couldn't get them. And I can't find online
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: baggers on 02 April 2016, 16:38:59
Always had Michelins on my 2.6 came with them from new cost a bit more but absolutely no problems at all 26,000 miles from each set & still legal when replaced.

Same here kept with the Michelin's but on the 2.2 I've put Continental Contipremiumcontact 5 because they have a very similar tread pattern to the Pilots but the Continental has a better compound and there is a vast noticeable difference in ride quality, grip (especially in bends) and confidently hit standing water, and they don't suffer the age cracking that Michelin unfortunately still suffers.
 
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TD on 02 April 2016, 18:31:53
When I used to rent out cars for private hire use.....I used to visit the local tyre place.....ask for 2/4 Fred Flintstone tyres in whatever size I needed....paid and then asked to check the car really does need the tyres....phone driver and tell him to take the car to the tyre fitters......Worked evertime for me  :y ;D
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2016, 22:24:44
I've got a set of Micheln PS3's on my Elite, and I can't fault them - quiet, good wet/dry grip, although they didn't like the snow on Tuesday morning! I got stuck and couldn't go anywhere, but that was more down to the car, not the tyres (or the driver...!!). At least a rwd BMW got stuck as well....
But having tried many makes over the years, its Michelins for me.
PS3 I found suffered grip issues once worn a bit, shame as up to that point, quite good.

Now they are more realistically priced, defo worth considering for many Omega owners
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: Webby the Bear on 02 April 2016, 22:25:49
One would ask again, where does one purchase their ps3s from?
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2016, 22:26:11
Anything Michelin is coming out at £100 a corner for me.  :-\
225/55/16 used to be a less common size, but not so much now
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 April 2016, 22:54:44
Anything Michelin is coming out at £100 a corner for me.  :-\
225/55/16 used to be a less common size, but not so much now
Standard Merc size nowadays ;)
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 02 April 2016, 22:55:45
Just gently pulling away today in wet conditions, TC lit up on the 3.2  :o

So as a test, going to chuck the 17's in the garage on the 2.2, running KU39's 235/45/17 - If it does not affect ride too much, I'll keep them on there.

Then get fresh boots for 3.2, so far Goodyear AS3's look best price wise/performance (£85), can't get PS3's anything like prices suggested here by ringing aorund, more like £100 corner.

If 2.2 does not like 17's and KU39's they will go on the 3.2 and then have a bit of a ponder what to do!
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2016, 23:02:46
Would trust GY on an Omega, now suffering a 66% failure rate with F1s :(
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 02 April 2016, 23:03:39
Though F1s aren't a great tyre anyway, midrange tyre at premium price
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 02 April 2016, 23:28:11
Would trust GY on an Omega, now suffering a 66% failure rate with F1s :(

Would or would not?

Guessing not as per other thread.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 April 2016, 23:47:53
Would trust GY on an Omega, now suffering a 66% failure rate with F1s :(

Would or would not?

Guessing not as per other thread.
Stand by my last on that post though... :-\
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: TheBoy on 03 April 2016, 08:32:25
Would trust GY on an Omega, now suffering a 66% failure rate with F1s :(

Would or would not?

Guessing not as per other thread.
Sorry - would not
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 03 April 2016, 09:04:12
I have a 2 year old Michelin Primacy on an unmarked CDX 2003 alloy took it off the wife's estate when I sold it ,has covered only 3,000 miles £25 if anyone is interested tyre alone cost £120 Collection only.
Title: Re: Uh-Oh - A tyre thread!!
Post by: tunnie on 03 April 2016, 16:44:30
Decision made:

Set of FL Elite Alloys in the garage with Khumo KU39's will go on the 3.2, with the later Elite FL alloys getting a refurb at some point. (binning the shite Nexen's in the process)

Ordered 2x Khumo KH31's for the rear of the 2.2, £69 corner fitted from Black Circles.

Given that I've driven the 2.2 over 100,000 miles, this is the 3rd set of tyres I'm purchasing, so needs to be good. I'm very, very happy with Khumo's so they are going on again  :)