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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tunnie on 11 August 2016, 10:55:20
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They offer excellent value, something like this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201607266189073 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201607266189073)
09 plate, loads of kit, low miles. Hummm, might need to drive one.
Think JasonM has the earlier model? :-\
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Still not convinced a diesel is going to work for driving around London :-\
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Well it's outside London, Camberley to Osterley. 25 miles each way, lots of stop start and traffic lights hence I now want an auto.
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Yes but stop start and traffic lights equals a DPF that wont regen, a diesel which is not working at its optimum conditions/temperature and consequently equals trouble!
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Still not convinced a diesel is going to work for driving around London :-\
They don't work at all when the DSG selects two gears at once :-\
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Beware of Scottish registered ones regardless of mileage/spec... almost certainly supplied by one of two taxi wholesalers... :-X
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Yes but stop start and traffic lights equals a DPF that wont regen, a diesel which is not working at its optimum conditions/temperature and consequently equals trouble!
Hummmm. M3 currently 50mph average limit too, even without that would rarely go faster at rush hour.
I think i will do about 12-14k a year.
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
Hence I like CLS the most so far.
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
Hence I like CLS the most so far.
Which isn't practical ::)
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
Hence I like CLS the most so far.
Which isn't practical ::)
It's practical for getting to work and back, which is what the objective is. :y
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
Hence I like CLS the most so far.
A real looker and best with a big V8 engine that runs on proper fuel. :y
What does a 2.0 Skoda derv say about the person who owns it?
It says the person who owns it has absolutely no interest in cars. :-\
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
Hence I like CLS the most so far.
A real looker and best with a big V8 engine that runs on proper fuel. :y
What does a 2.0 Skoda derv say about the person who owns it?
It says the person who owns it has absolutely no interest in cars. :-\
It says I want to get more than 25mpg on my run to work! Which the diesel would give me, but not if DPF fails!
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
Hence I like CLS the most so far.
A real looker and best with a big V8 engine that runs on proper fuel. :y
What does a 2.0 Skoda derv say about the person who owns it?
It says the person who owns it has absolutely no interest in cars. :-\
It says I want to get more than 25mpg on my run to work! Which the diesel would give me, but not if when DPF fails!
Corrected it for you, your driving style and commute does not match the needs of a modern diesel
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Does this help, Mr Tunnie?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2rc93ro.jpg)
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
Hence I like CLS the most so far.
A real looker and best with a big V8 engine that runs on proper fuel. :y
What does a 2.0 Skoda derv say about the person who owns it?
It says the person who owns it has absolutely no interest in cars. :-\
It says I want to get more than 25mpg on my run to work! Which the diesel would give me, but not if DPF fails!
That dreary old fart STMO would agree with you. ;)
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
Hence I like CLS the most so far.
A real looker and best with a big V8 engine that runs on proper fuel. :y
What does a 2.0 Skoda derv say about the person who owns it?
It says the person who owns it has absolutely no interest in cars. :-\
It says I want to get more than 25mpg on my run to work! Which the diesel would give me, but not if when DPF fails!
Corrected it for you, your driving style and commute does not match the needs of a modern diesel
Hummmm, bugger. Perhaps I should run the 3.2 for a while to work, if I can live with that fuel consumption I could run a CLS 500.
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Gas the 3.2 and buy a mum bus for the Family duties?
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Gas the 3.2 and buy a mum bus for the Family duties?
That is an option, initially I fancied a change. But if derv will be too much trouble, I may have to reconsider my views on gassing the 3.2
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Still not convinced a diesel is going to work for driving around London :-\
They don't work at all when the DSG selects two gears at once :-\
DSG? Just run. Fast. ::)
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Still not convinced a diesel is going to work for driving around London :-\
They don't work at all when the DSG selects two gears at once :-\
DSG? Just run. Fast. ::)
I did look at Golfs with DSGs but heard too many stories!
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My DIL has a Shitreon C5 diesel. due to both short trips and stop and start on longer commutes has loads of DPF, EML and limp mode problems. It,s your choice in the end though. :y
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My DIL has a Shitreon C5 diesel. due to both short trips and stop and start on longer commutes has loads of DPF, EML and limp mode problems. It,s your choice in the end though. :y
Was/is this a problem with older derv cars?
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Mr T isnt that bloke in london bringing that clean zone down to the bottom of the a4. So he will hit you if you run a derv into work
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Question for Mark, how often does a diesel DPF need regen cycle?
Don't think emission zone extends that far, even new one for 2020
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My DIL has a Shitreon C5 diesel. due to both short trips and stop and start on longer commutes has loads of DPF, EML and limp mode problems. It,s your choice in the end though. :y
Was/is this a problem with older derv cars?
It's not a problem if if they are not afflicted with DPFs or Adblue type systems. Dual Mass Flywheels and turbos aren't the most reliable things, and the installation and operating requirements of fuel injectors for common rail diesels cause all sorts of expensive problems.
Old fashioned diesels were simple smoky, rattly things that didn't much maintenance or drive particularly well, but they were extremely durable; if the pump wasn't completely knackered, and it the engine still had compression, it would work. Modern ones make large amounts of power and torque, have good economy, are smooth and nice to drive. But this has been achieved at the cost of durability, and the maintenance/repair costs can be horrific. This all means you have to honestly work out your if expected use falls within the diesels capabilities; many owners quickly discover that getting that wrong can be extremely expensive.
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Question for Mark, how often does a diesel DPF need regen cycle?
Don't think emission zone extends that far, even new one for 2020
Anywhere within the M25 afaik. Don't know if that would affect you ?
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I was all set on diesel, but my budget means 80k mile versions at best, which means potential problems.
One part of my thinks to buy another Omega for MrsT, sod the fuel issues with the 3.2 and just run with that on my commute. It does what I want, smooth, auto air-con works, has Xenons and decent enough sound system.
The budget I had for a replacement car, could be used to pay for annual insurance for both Omega's for next few years. I currently pay Monthly as MrsT is new to driving and only has 1 year NCB. So insurance is quite steep for her, if it's paid in one go, I don't have that going out each month which would be nice.
I do have the fear as well of not being able to fix the replacement, I know the Omega inside out and nearly all jobs bar cambelts I can do without help.
As at £100/hr garage labour, that eats into any fuel savings too.
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Question for Mark, how often does a diesel DPF need regen cycle?
Don't think emission zone extends that far, even new one for 2020
Anywhere within the M25 afaik. Don't know if that would affect you ?
;D ;D ;D
It's no way near that far out, Central only... as per here...
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone (https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone)
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Could always swap LPG kit onto this, it's tad over-priced but you don't see that many 2.2 Sports about..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-Vauxhall-Opel-Omega-2-2i-16v-Sport-Automatic-carlton-senator-/252495536681?hash=item3ac9e82229:g:EigAAOSw0RpXlfTm (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-Vauxhall-Opel-Omega-2-2i-16v-Sport-Automatic-carlton-senator-/252495536681?hash=item3ac9e82229:g:EigAAOSw0RpXlfTm)
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My DIL has a Shitreon C5 diesel. due to both short trips and stop and start on longer commutes has loads of DPF, EML and limp mode problems. It,s your choice in the end though. :y
My wife does nothing other than short trips in her diesel and never had an issue touchwood. The only thing I notice every so often is the car runs a bit hot for a while, it smells of burning and the cooling fan comes on. This is the only signs of regeneration that we notice. I have asked her to continue driving for a bit if she spots these signs but I doubt she would even notice to be honest, so that falls on deaf ears. ::)
I do give it an airing if I use it but apart from that it's town driving and very short trips only. Not ideal I grant you but I would imagine on Tunnie's commute it would be fine. :-\ I suppose it depends on how the car was driven by the previous owner whether it clogs up or not. :-\
Can you wait for a regen to happen, remove the DPF, hollow it out, refit it and have the ecu re-programmed to not regen, as it is physically still there for MOT time. I know the legal answer but just curious. Where's the innocent whistling smiley? ::)
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I'd give it a damn good spanking ever so often, thinking about it, Friday's the roads are always fare more clear down the M3. Usually I can do the run down the M3 without stopping on a Friday.
How often do you notice the regen kick in? I don't know how often these things run, is it based on sensor data (ie it's looking blocked) - or is it miles/time?
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They key to diesels must be to boot it fair bit, so they don't fill up with crap? Sometimes you see a diesel X5/CX90 or other diesel saloon on the road boot it and it's like being behind The Flying Scotsman, clouds of black smoke.
If I go straight down the M3, after 50mph average ends at M25, I always given the 3.2 a boot from 50-80 as often MrsT uses it so good to get it some air.
I'd do that with a diesel too, down as far as CostCo, so semi decent blast.
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Ooooooo just found out the CLS of vintage of my budget have no DPF's :D
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Ooooooo just found out the CLS of vintage of my budget have no DPF's :D
2007/2008 at a guess as that's when the Euro 4 hit home (and a car that size would not squeak through without)
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Ooooooo just found out the CLS of vintage of my budget have no DPF's :D
2007/2008 at a guess as that's when the Euro 4 hit home (and a car that size would not squeak through without)
Think they came in at 2009 with 350 CDI
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Ooooooo just found out the CLS of vintage of my budget have no DPF's :D
2007/2008 at a guess as that's when the Euro 4 hit home (and a car that size would not squeak through without)
Think they came in at 2009 with 350 CDI
They must have left it very much to the last minute then!
As the Euro 5 regs were mid 2009 (sep) and given everything registered after that date would need to meet them, builds would have had to have started a good 6 months before.
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Well, I struggle to get 30mpg from my shitbox diesel if not on a run. And can only manage 40mpg if I'm disciplined enough to sit at the speed limit.
I think you'll find big engine diesels uneconomical on significantly congested routes. Its fine managing 50mpg for 10 miles, but if the other 15miles are 15mpg, then you'll likely be better off with petrol... ...and avoid diesel service costs as well.
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But with petrol it's 25mpg for 15 miles, then 15mpg for 10 miles
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You also rag that thing everywhere!
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But with petrol it's 25mpg for 15 miles, then 15mpg for 10 miles
Which if you work it out on paper, isn't much different.
BTW, even a 3.2 will manage 30+mpg on the 10 mile section. Its the non-constant speed bit that mullers that
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You also rag that thing everywhere!
I got similar from the Tractor, maybe less on non motorway trips, but that was a lot more fun.
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I think I would average mid 30's out of a CLS diesel on the commute, considered petrol but no real difference in purchase cost.
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Question for Mark, how often does a diesel DPF need regen cycle?
Don't think emission zone extends that far, even new one for 2020
It depends on the way they are driven, could be weekly, could be monthly....
BUT all the diesels ive driven haven't had a DPF fail.....some of them you know when they doing a regen cycle....ie idle engine revs increase....the skoda VRS I had was a good example of that.....used to idle at 900-1000rpm when it was doing a regen cycle.
If it couldn't achieve the regen cycle.....it used to put on a warning light....generally a motorway run of 10miles in 4th gear (about 3500rpm) would make the warning light to go off ;)
My Mondeo, ive no idea when its doing a regen cycle.....gives no clue.....but in the 6 months ive had it.....no warning light has come on about it.....and when I looked earlier today....my average speed is 17mph! ;D but average fuel consumption is 47.5mpg :y
You could of course go for a slightly older diesel.....57reg perhaps.....it probably wouldn't have a DPF, as I think that it was made law on 08 reg's or thereabouts......
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I've read this thread, and the other thread that's running in parallel with it, and all I can think is, and say is,, STOP waffling, and talking just go and buy the dam car that YOU want, not one picked by a bloody committee..
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Question for Mark, how often does a diesel DPF need regen cycle?
Don't think emission zone extends that far, even new one for 2020
It depends on the way they are driven, could be weekly, could be monthly....
BUT all the diesels ive driven haven't had a DPF fail.....some of them you know when they doing a regen cycle....ie idle engine revs increase....the skoda VRS I had was a good example of that.....used to idle at 900-1000rpm when it was doing a regen cycle.
If it couldn't achieve the regen cycle.....it used to put on a warning light....generally a motorway run of 10miles in 4th gear (about 3500rpm) would make the warning light to go off ;)
My Mondeo, ive no idea when its doing a regen cycle.....gives no clue.....but in the 6 months ive had it.....no warning light has come on about it.....and when I looked earlier today....my average speed is 17mph! ;D but average fuel consumption is 47.5mpg :y
You could of course go for a slightly older diesel.....57reg perhaps.....it probably wouldn't have a DPF, as I think that it was made law on 08 reg's or thereabouts......
Suggests a Superb would do similar, I need to drive one see how I find them.
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I've read this thread, and the other thread that's running in parallel with it, and all I can think is, and say is,, STOP waffling, and talking just go and buy the dam car that YOU want, not one picked by a bloody committee..
Thing is, I don't know really what I want.
1) Heart says CLS, looks damn good, silky smooth and fast. But it's expensive, I don't know how to fix them and could be even more expensive to run.
2) More sensible head says S80, loads of toys, find one with active cruise and just put up with the Volvo badge. (It's no worse than Vauxhall!)
3) Even more sensible, buy a good example 2.2 Sport Auto, seen a few on eBay/AT and swap over the LPG kit with a bribe on curry to little fatty. This gives me the Auto to work, a fresher 2.2 I can still fix/do all work on it and only a very slight increase in fuel costs.
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Also with the vast amounts of money saved, I can pay for insurance in one lump (reduce monthly outgoings), book little MissT on loads of courses such as swimming and dancing which she loves and we keep meaning to do. I could also take up a new hobby of clay shooting, as a present to myself for letting the bike go. :D
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Even more family mode, I keep looking at these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201601270458175?search-target=usedcars&make=volvo&model=v70&price-from=3500&price-to=6000&fuel-type=diesel&transmission=automatic&sort=default&radius=1500&page=2&searchcontext=default&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=new%2Cnearlynew%2Cused&logcode=p&adPos=1 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201601270458175?search-target=usedcars&make=volvo&model=v70&price-from=3500&price-to=6000&fuel-type=diesel&transmission=automatic&sort=default&radius=1500&page=2&searchcontext=default&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=new%2Cnearlynew%2Cused&logcode=p&adPos=1)
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I've read this thread, and the other thread that's running in parallel with it, and all I can think is, and say is,, STOP waffling, and talking just go and buy the dam car that YOU want, not one picked by a bloody committee..
Thing is, I don't know really what I want.
1) Heart says CLS, looks damn good, silky smooth and fast. But it's expensive, I don't know how to fix them and could be even more expensive to run.
2) More sensible head says S80, loads of toys, find one with active cruise and just put up with the Volvo badge. (It's no worse than Vauxhall!)
3) Even more sensible, buy a good example 2.2 Sport Auto, seen a few on eBay/AT and swap over the LPG kit with a bribe on curry to little fatty. This gives me the Auto to work, a fresher 2.2 I can still fix/do all work on it and only a very slight increase in fuel costs.
No your over thinking the issue, or as mother says"over egging ya pudding"
Always follow your heart it's never wrong,
Basically you like it your paying so that's what were having.
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In case anyone hadn't noticed from the 45032 other threads on this forum, Tunnie is in the market for a new car.
Or a vagina, if some of his choices thus far are to be taken seriously. :-*
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Pal in work bought an Octavia VRS against my advice and has had an absolute nightmare, he does a fair bit of motorway but still has to go for a specific drive at weekends to regen the bloody DPF, whats the frigging point of having a car that dictates to you ?
There was a newbie guy cheekily trying to sell his 3.2 on gas here a few weeks ago from St Helens and got roasted, I've seen the car on gumtree and it's had a shed load done to it and was very tidy indeed at £1200 or so, maybe summat like that is a better option ? I don't know him by the way !!
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Pal in work bought an Octavia VRS against my advice and has had an absolute nightmare, he does a fair bit of motorway but still has to go for a specific drive at weekends to regen the bloody DPF, whats the frigging point of having a car that dictates to you ?
There was a newbie guy cheekily trying to sell his 3.2 on gas here a few weeks ago from St Helens and got roasted, I've seen the car on gumtree and it's had a shed load done to it and was very tidy indeed at £1200 or so, maybe summat like that is a better option ? I don't know him by the way !!
My Octavia VRS started having a nightmare problem in the end....but it had achieved 240k miles before the EML kept coming on...ECU was complaining of EGR valve and inlet manifold ....I had both changed but even tho the ecu was then happy, the EML kept coming on and with it 'limp' mode.
Garage's next best guess was to change the turbo next.....but no guarantee it would fix it..... and at £1000 just for the turbo for it.....that's when it and me parted company.....I have heard its back on the road again....and apparently a new turbo cured it....
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Aren't all Skodas in the list of VAG cars that can be remotely unlocked and driven away by scumbags?
If its a shitbox, that's hardly an issue, but Superb is reasonably well regarded...
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I went back a year from a 2001 2.6 CDX which was a low mileage example I bought it in 2010 to a low mileage 2000 E class Merc which is totally mint, just prefer to source well looked after low mileage cars , new ones do nothing for me & hate the huge amount you lose. Ok things could go wrong but maybe I am just lucky because apart from services no other expenditure to date.
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I went back a year from a 2001 2.6 CDX which was a low mileage example I bought it in 2010 to a low mileage 2000 E class Merc which is totally mint, just prefer to source well looked after low mileage cars , new ones do nothing for me & hate the huge amount you lose. Ok things could go wrong but maybe I am just lucky because apart from services no other expenditure to date.
Nice choice Tilbo. You have any pictures of ze Merc? :)
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
^^ from a man that owns a Signum ::) :D :D
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I was all set on diesel, but my budget means 80k mile versions at best, which means potential problems.
One part of my thinks to buy another Omega for MrsT, sod the fuel issues with the 3.2 and just run with that on my commute. It does what I want, smooth, auto air-con works, has Xenons and decent enough sound system.
The budget I had for a replacement car, could be used to pay for annual insurance for both Omega's for next few years. I currently pay Monthly as MrsT is new to driving and only has 1 year NCB. So insurance is quite steep for her, if it's paid in one go, I don't have that going out each month which would be nice.
I do have the fear as well of not being able to fix the replacement, I know the Omega inside out and nearly all jobs bar cambelts I can do without help.
As at £100/hr garage labour, that eats into any fuel savings too.
I though you had the chance of a low mile diesel 406,50 mpg plus no Dpf and will go to the moon and back,one of the best vehicles I've ever owned(once got over 700 miles from a tank of derv and the tank isn't that big)
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It's an option, but it's a manual. Which is best suited to that car, just I have urge for an auto on my traffic congested commute
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
^^ from a man that owns a Signum ::) :D :D
The Signum is as dreary as Steve Davis playing a safety shot. The 2.8 litre turbo lump helps though. :P :P :P
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What we're looking for here is a car that's relatively luxurious, spacious, frugal yet powerful and not expensive to buy. Oh....and one that can be maintained with a set of spanners and a screwdriver.
Also, no one must have a bad word to say about it. ;D
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Does practical really need to mean dreary? :-\
^^ from a man that owns a Signum ::) :D :D
The Signum is as dreary as Steve Davis playing a safety shot. The 2.8 litre turbo lump helps though. :P :P :P
The engine would help a lot 8),I used to quite like mine even though it was fueled by satans potion