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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: moggy on 27 October 2016, 16:14:43
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Hi all,just got home and there was a car parked outside my house.With two people just getting in to it,an old woman and old man.They put their seat belts on and i thought they were going,but they took the seat belts off and walked to a house two doors down.I sounded my horn and the man walked to my car.I asked politely can you move the car please,as i live here and want to park my car outside my house.(it is a public highway and i know its not my parking space)But the guy said no this is a public highway, i wont move why don't you park on the other side of the road.I asked politely move the car mate,he said no i have a space outside my house and every one parks there.I admit i then shouted at him move the car now,his wife told him to move the car so he did.As i parked a man appeared at the door they were visiting,with nothing on but boxer shorts,he asked why i was shouting at a 75 year old man.I explained the situation to him,that i wanted to park there so if my car got bashed i could react quickly.He also said it a public road you don't have automatic parking rights,but then he said if you want to get bashed i will bash you.He closed the door slightly reached down and grabbed a claw hammer,a silver one with a rubber handle and raised it above his head.He then tried to get to me but the old man and woman stopped him,and pulled him back.I said listen mate you cant threaten people with a hammer,and i apologized to the old man for shouting at him they then closed the door.So what do i do call the police and get the incident logged,or leave it,or try to resolve it myself.Advice welcome Dean.
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So let me get this right. You were verbally abusing two 75 year olds over a space they were entitled to use and now someone has threatened to abuse you or your car you want to involve the Police. Maybe there's a lesson to be learnt that those 75 year olds will probably have family who like me would take offence at someone trying to bully them into moving their car. Ok I wouldn't have used a hammer but I bet next time it happens you'll consider parking across the road ;D ;D
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Sorry Pete, but although there appears to have been faults on both sides, there is never any excuse for threatening someone with a hammer - that is technically an assault. Just the verbal threat is assault, actually, but backed up by his wielding a hammer means that the police are more likely to act, and rightly so. Unstable people like that must be made responsible for the consequences of their actions; what if he had actually carried out the threat, resulting in either ABH or GBH?
Ron.
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So let me get this right. You were verbally abusing two 75 year olds over a space they were entitled to use and now someone has threatened to abuse you or your car you want to involve the Police. Maybe there's a lesson to be learnt that those 75 year olds will probably have family who like me would take offence at someone trying to bully them into moving their car. Ok I wouldn't have used a hammer but I bet next time it happens you'll consider parking across the road ;D ;D
No Pete,the hammer is my problem.I don't mind a fight with fists/But weapons are a different question.And yes as i said in my post,i was out of order being verbally abusive,and apologized.And no mate i wont consider parking across the road,when there was a space right next to the house they were visiting.Dean. :-\
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I'm inclined to agree with Pete. But in any case it is three witnesses against one. Given the reason for the incident in the first place, you shouting at the couple, he might well argue, that he was frightened for them and was defending them. Sorry Dean, but I think you're on a loser here. :(
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Everyone likes to park right outside their house . . but sometimes, if someone else has already parked there , we can't . End of in my book ::)
Maybe time to think about off street parking . . . but even that , if nothing is parked on the driveway/hard standing . . .then anyone can park across it ::)
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Everyone likes to park right outside their house . . but sometimes, if someone else has already parked there , we can't . End of in my book ::)
Maybe time to think about off street parking . . . but even that , if nothing is parked on the driveway/hard standing . . .then anyone can park across it ::)
Unless the council puts in a dropped kerb, then you're not supposed to park across it. But, like everything else these days, getting someone to do anything about it is a different matter.
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You could always try this: ::)
https://youtu.be/17yupESOaC4
Probably best to let it go though, before it gets out of hand. Does beg the question why someone keeps a hammer by the front door though. :-\
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Everyone likes to park right outside their house . . but sometimes, if someone else has already parked there , we can't . End of in my book ::)
Maybe time to think about off street parking . . . but even that , if nothing is parked on the driveway/hard standing . . .then anyone can park across it ::)
Unless the council puts in a dropped kerb, then you're not supposed to park across it. But, like everything else these days, getting someone to do anything about it is a different matter.
There are plenty of arguments about this . . . may differ in your area . . . but fairly sure down here if theres nothing parked on it you can park across it . . dropped kerb included :) of course most people respect that access will probably be required at any time . . .& therefore don't.
But as we all know theres always one ::) ::)
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I can relate to this incident, many years ago I was sitting in my car waiting to collect my 2 kids from school , I was parked quite legally not blocking any dropped kerbs or entrances, a man came out of his house & demanded I move my car as his son was due home, I refused & pointed to my tax disc which as far as I was concerned gave me the right to use & park my vehicle wherever it was legal to do so people don't own the road outside their property so I'm afraid that you should remember that in future
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You could always try this: ::)
https://youtu.be/17yupESOaC4
Probably best to let it go though, before it gets out of hand. Does beg the question why someone keeps a hammer by the front door though. :-\
Don't jump to conclusions, he may have been knocking up some wooden toys for the local orphanage........or something ;D
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Does beg the question why someone keeps a hammer by the front door though. :-\
Might have been mending the door.
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You could always try this: ::)
https://youtu.be/17yupESOaC4
Probably best to let it go though, before it gets out of hand. Does beg the question why someone keeps a hammer by the front door though. :-\
Don't jump to conclusions, he may have been knocking up some wooden toys for the local orphanage........or something ;D
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. ;D
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You could always try this: ::)
https://youtu.be/17yupESOaC4
Probably best to let it go though, before it gets out of hand. Does beg the question why someone keeps a hammer by the front door though. :-\
That is what worry's me.Dean.
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I can relate to this incident, many years ago I was sitting in my car waiting to collect my 2 kids from school , I was parked quite legally not blocking any dropped kerbs or entrances, a man came out of his house & demanded I move my car as his son was due home, I refused & pointed to my tax disc which as far as I was concerned gave me the right to use & park my vehicle wherever it was legal to do so people don't own the road outside their property so I'm afraid that you should remember that in future
I agree mate but,but using a hammer is threading behaver,Dean.
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I can relate to this incident, many years ago I was sitting in my car waiting to collect my 2 kids from school , I was parked quite legally not blocking any dropped kerbs or entrances, a man came out of his house & demanded I move my car as his son was due home, I refused & pointed to my tax disc which as far as I was concerned gave me the right to use & park my vehicle wherever it was legal to do so people don't own the road outside their property so I'm afraid that you should remember that in future
I agree mate but,but using a hammer is threading behaver,Dean.
As is unprovoked verbal...
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I used to live on a street where parking was a nightmare and one of the neighbours used to put his wheelie bin in the spot outside his house. ::)
I developed the knack of reversing into the spot and hitting his bin in just the right spot so it crashed back onto the pavement. I'd get out and say loudly "That's a bleddy stupid place to leave a wheelie bin! " :o ;)
Sounds like I was lucky as he never chased me down the road in his kaks while weilding a hammer! :D ;D
He did come to the window and glared at me once or twice though.... ::) Knob! ;D
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Just been watching 'nightmare neighbours next door'. It doesn't take much to upset some people, and it can get very nasty, very quickly.
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When I was 20 (yes, it was a long time ago...) I lived in east London and had my first vehicle - a motor bike and sidecar. Obviously, I paeked it outside the house, but often on returning, someone else was in 2MY" space, so I had to park further along the road.
One day, a copper was passing and I asked him about this situation. He stated quite clearly that no one person has any more right to any legal parking spot than any other, so tough titty, I have to put up with it!
Several years later, greedy councils defy this law by introducing Residents' Only parking zones, for which you must pay a fee. As the rule is that all people are equal before the law, could I, a non-resident in one of those zones, apply for a permit?
The Law is the Law, except when it suits officialdom, and this outrageous scam of charging people to park on the roads that they already own is scandalous!
Ron.
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Sorry Ron mate. Since the change over to VED we don,t "own" the Roads anymore, It,s only a tax we pay for actually owning a car.
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I can relate to this incident, many years ago I was sitting in my car waiting to collect my 2 kids from school , I was parked quite legally not blocking any dropped kerbs or entrances, a man came out of his house & demanded I move my car as his son was due home, I refused & pointed to my tax disc which as far as I was concerned gave me the right to use & park my vehicle wherever it was legal to do so people don't own the road outside their property so I'm afraid that you should remember that in future
I agree mate but,but using a hammer is threading behaver,Dean.
Yes, but how would you like it if you were in your 70s and some bullying rsol came along and verbally abused you. Thats also threatening behaviour mate, and I suggest you wind it in and get on an Anger Management course. Bet you would have kept your mouth shut if there were two big younger guys in the other car. Nobody likes a bully!
I understand you are now worried about the guy with the hammer - poetic justice, serves you right. He probably only picked the hammer up due to your threatening attitude towards his visitors.
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"ronnyd", just because Winston Churchill decided way back then to steal money from a fund specifically set up to be collected and ring-fenced for roadbuilding and maintenance - the Road Fund Licence - doesn't mean that it is right or fair. Whatever government calls it now, it is OUR perception that this tax is still for that purpose and as we all know, perception trumps truth any day!
So, WE still own the roads (who else paid for them?) and the government/councils maintain them on our behalf. That is the reality of the situation, whatever weasel-words politicians may use to con us into thinking otherwise and viring off specifically raised taxes for other purposes, like schools and the NHS because they don't want the real cost of such things to show in general taxation: the motorist is an easy, docile target, after all......
Ron.
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Everyone who pays tax contributes to the roads whether you own a car or not. There are cars which don't pay VED. Their upkeep.is paid through general taxation, like it or lump it thats the way it is.
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I think "lumping it" is what the bloke with the hammer was going to do..
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Guffer, what you say is undoubtedly true, but my grievance is concerned with politicians' broken promises. This tax, then known as RFL, was raised specifically for roads until Winston and others got greedy.
How greedy?
My last figures are fifty thousand million pounds collected in motoring taxes, most from the RFL as it really still is, and ONLY FOUR thousand million pounds returned in new works and maintenance.
No wonder there are so many potholes unrepaired everywhere you go; and you, as a cyclist, must be aware of them more than most.
I simply feel so ripped off.
Ron.
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The biggest danger to me as a cyclist is not potholes, it's a lack of awareness and patience on the part of those motorists who will try and pass leaving inches just so that they can spend more time waiting at the next light/queue.
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VED is based on emissions and has nothing get to do with road usage. My Leaf costs £0 per yes but I still drive 12k miles a year in it. It is a vehicle to control the size of engines and the emissions they make and not directly for repairs or as a ticket for the right of usage of the roads. You can be a city dweller and never own a car in your life but benefit from the services that are provided by their usage, thus is why it was switched to being funded from general taxation.
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Politicians can make their own excuses for reneging on agreements without our doing it for them!
I don't want to go into the fallacy that CO2 is the enemy - it totally is not - but it's a convenient excuse for governments of any hue to extract even more money from the motorist. In brief, though, I will say that IF CO2 were a factor, cars, planes and all the rest of the fuel-burning devices, including power stations, are responsible for far less than 1% (yes, true!) of global CO2 emissions.
Almost ALL of the remainder is made up by us - we breathe!
If you managed to persuade a significant number of people to stop breathing, we would lose all of our plant life, and that includes food.
Ron.
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Guffer, what you say is undoubtedly true, but my grievance is concerned with politicians' broken promises. This tax, then known as RFL, was raised specifically for roads until Winston and others got greedy.
How greedy?
My last figures are fifty thousand million pounds collected in motoring taxes, most from the RFL as it really still is, and ONLY FOUR thousand million pounds returned in new works and maintenance.
No wonder there are so many potholes unrepaired everywhere you go; and you, as a cyclist, must be aware of them more than most.
I simply feel so ripped off.
Ron.
From 2017 all monies raised by road tax will go into a fund for building/repairing roads, according to the chancellors last budget. Of course, that particular chancellor has now gone...so who knows.
https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/ved-road-tax-from-2017-0182-2060
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This tax, then known as RFL, was raised specifically for roads until Winston and others got greedy.
Winston? :o
Jeez you don't hold a grudge for long then Ron?! :P ;D
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I can relate to this incident, many years ago I was sitting in my car waiting to collect my 2 kids from school , I was parked quite legally not blocking any dropped kerbs or entrances, a man came out of his house & demanded I move my car as his son was due home, I refused & pointed to my tax disc which as far as I was concerned gave me the right to use & park my vehicle wherever it was legal to do so people don't own the road outside their property so I'm afraid that you should remember that in future
I agree mate but,but using a hammer is threading behaver,Dean.
Yes, but how would you like it if you were in your 70s and some bullying rsol came along and verbally abused you. Thats also threatening behaviour mate, and I suggest you wind it in and get on an Anger Management course. Bet you would have kept your mouth shut if there were two big younger guys in the other car. Nobody likes a bully!
I understand you are now worried about the guy with the hammer - poetic justice, serves you right. He probably only picked the hammer up due to your threatening attitude towards his visitors.
Without commenting on the topic itself - dbug, have you been drinking? I have never seen you so confrontational before ;D
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Not if the wound is still open, Sir Tigger, and his successors are continuing the rip-off!
STEMO, after they have launched several squadrons of pigs we might get all monies returned to the purpose collected for, but those proposed changes won'n increase inflation at all, will they?
Ron.
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I would give it a couple of days, and go and apologise... at the end of the day, you were out of order in your original confrontation... escalating to a hammer was, whilst not something a reasonable person might anticipate, clearly an effective end to the matter...
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I would give it a couple of days, and go and apologise... at the end of the day, you were out of order in your original confrontation... escalating to a hammer was, whilst not something a reasonable person might anticipate, clearly an effective end to the matter...
I think that is what i will do.
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I can relate to this incident, many years ago I was sitting in my car waiting to collect my 2 kids from school , I was parked quite legally not blocking any dropped kerbs or entrances, a man came out of his house & demanded I move my car as his son was due home, I refused & pointed to my tax disc which as far as I was concerned gave me the right to use & park my vehicle wherever it was legal to do so people don't own the road outside their property so I'm afraid that you should remember that in future
I agree mate but,but using a hammer is threading behaver,Dean.
Yes, but how would you like it if you were in your 70s and some bullying rsol came along and verbally abused you. Thats also threatening behaviour mate, and I suggest you wind it in and get on an Anger Management course. Bet you would have kept your mouth shut if there were two big younger guys in the other car. Nobody likes a bully!
I understand you are now worried about the guy with the hammer - poetic justice, serves you right. He probably only picked the hammer up due to your threatening attitude towards his visitors.
Without commenting on the topic itself - dbug, have you been drinking? I have never seen you so confrontational before ;D
Not since Gixer left, anyway.
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Does beg the question why someone keeps a hammer by the front door though. :-\
Might have been mending the door.
Might have been expecting the usual snotty nosed little darling Trick or Treaters round.
Hmmm, maybe now is a great time to get a chainsaw :)
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Everyone who pays tax contributes to the roads whether you own a car or not. There are cars which don't pay VED. Their upkeep.is paid through general taxation, like it or lump it thats the way it is.
VED(or whatever it was originally called) was NEVER just used for the roads. Government accounting just doesn't work like that; they spend whatever money they have/borrowed wherever it needs to go. The government at the time simply saw the increasing number of cars on the roads as another source of revenue.
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Does beg the question why someone keeps a hammer by the front door though. :-\
Might have been mending the door.
Might have been expecting the usual snotty nosed little darling Trick or Treaters round.
Hmmm, maybe now is a great time to get a chainsaw :)
Lidl has them for £50 currently. :D
Electric, though, so can't chase them far up the road. ::)
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Was he wearing a scary clown costume?