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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rods2 on 08 December 2016, 19:06:02
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The modern dominant post-fact, post-truth, left-wing MSM only have two categories for political views, Left - one of us, or Far Right - Deplorables. Where do you fit in? :(
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Very few people are 100% left or right wing. Most people are a combination.
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I'm definitely deplorable, or so Ive been told. :)
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I'm definitely deplorable, or so Ive been told. :)
I'm saying nothing. :) ;)
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:P :P ::) ;D................I'm also probably extreme right wing by "modern" standards. Which is obviously a very good thing. :)
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:P :P ::) ;D................I'm also probably extreme right wing by "modern" standards. Which is obviously a very good thing. :)
Yep......well to the right of wishy-washy liberals like Genghis Khan and Vlad the impaler. ::) ;) :D
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Exactly. :y :D
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You should have had a third option.
Appalled at left wing wishy washy and appalled at right wing hard liners. Please can things go back to Blair's time when he occupied the high moral ground making left wing and right wing views redundant ;D ;D
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You should have had a third option.
Appalled at left wing wishy washy and appalled at right wing hard liners. Please can things go back to Blair's time when he occupied the high moral ground making left wing and right wing views redundant ;D ;D
We couldn't afford twelve years of that treasonous idiot last time, let alone again :o
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I now know that I am officially thick. Thick, stupid, uneducated, dense, pleb or whatever.
I have no idea what MSM is. Ah yes . . . the great god Google . . . In the order the results showed up . . . . . . METHYLSULFONYLMETHANE, Men who have Sex with Men, Mainstream Media, Master of Science in Management, Morehouse School of Medicine . . . . . Hmmmmm
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You should have had a third option.
Appalled at left wing wishy washy and appalled at right wing hard liners. Please can things go back to Blair's time when he occupied the high moral ground making left wing and right wing views redundant ;D ;D
We couldn't afford twelve years of that treasonous idiot last time, let alone again :o
I suppose he did some good but I was never really a fan of 'Tory' Blair.
He fuc*ed up big time with the war in Iraq.
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Idiot isn't the word I used ::)
If by "did some good" you mean screwed the UK royally then oppsed off dropping McRuin in the shit... then, yes, he did some good.
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You should have had a third option.
Appalled at left wing wishy washy and appalled at right wing hard liners. Please can things go back to Blair's time when he occupied the high moral ground making left wing and right wing views redundant ;D ;D
We couldn't afford twelve years of that treasonous idiot last time, let alone again :o
I suppose he did some good but I was never really a fan of 'Tory' Blair.
He fuc*ed up big time with the war in Iraq.
Do tell. ???
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For those of us who live in England, you only have one tier of government who rules your very life,please give a thought to the people of Wales who have suffer the fools who rule over us from their assembly in Cardiff.
Alfie.
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You should have had a third option.
Appalled at left wing wishy washy and appalled at right wing hard liners. Please can things go back to Blair's time when he occupied the high moral ground making left wing and right wing views redundant ;D ;D
We couldn't afford twelve years of that treasonous idiot last time, let alone again :o
I suppose he did some good but I was never really a fan of 'Tory' Blair.
He fuc*ed up big time with the war in Iraq.
Do tell. ???
Minimum wage. :)
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And then ruined it by importing a whole new workforce, which made the minimum wage the maximum wage for many people, due to the over supply of cheap low skilled labour.
Next. ;D
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And then ruined it by importing a whole new workforce, which made the minimum wage the maximum wage for many people, due to the over supply of cheap low skilled labour.
Next. ;D
Couldn't have phrased that better ;)
The current subsistence'living' wage is what British people were earning prior to 2004 :-X
Oh shit, I have just realised I need to vote Far Right, as I couldn't possibly be further from Left :o
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Meanwhile left with no centre option , back to the original question.......
Gosh tough isn't it. :o
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minimum wage doesn't apply if you are
washing cars or picking carrots self employed
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minimum wage doesn't apply if you are washing cars or picking carrots self employed
Very true that >:( >:(
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minimum wage doesn't apply if you are washing cars or picking carrots self employed
Very true that >:( >:(
Indirectly one of the reasons that I gave up the taxi malarkey...
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I'm a bit too the right. :P
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I'm a bit too the right. :P
On some things, I make Thatcher look like Corbin.
On others, ie the NHS, National transport infrastructure, Essential service industries ect, i'm all for state ownership :-\
Basically, i'm one confused puppy ;D ;D
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Don't do wishee washey tree hugging, bearded lesbian, plant saving, pc one iota,
Shoot the goddam mother f******s. Whoops told ya bit right.
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I'm a bit too the right. :P
On some things, I make Thatcher look like Corbin.
On others, ie the NHS, National transport infrastructure, Essential service industries ect, i'm all for state ownership :-\
Basically, i'm one confused puppy ;D ;D
Same here :-\ In particular I get concened about so many of our transport and essential services being foreign owned
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The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.
Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of 'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols' to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)
Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
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The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.
Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of 'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols' to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)
Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)
The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...
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The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.
Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of 'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols' to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)
Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)
The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...
Low wage business presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.
Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.
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The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.
Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of 'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols' to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)
Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)
The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...
Low wage business presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.
Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.
Well dodged, just like a real politician. :)
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But this should also encourage competition which is good...
The crappy, low paid jobs would be easier to recruit for and be far more productive/efficient/profitable if wages/contracts were better. That's to say that the increased productivity would pay for better wages without affecting the bottom line ;)
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The pie chart makes for interesting reading.
Perhaps TB's mass cull should start with the 'coffin dodgers'
https://fullfact.org/economy/welfare-budget/ (https://fullfact.org/economy/welfare-budget/)
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Did someone mention pies? :)
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Who are the 'others' ? We could save a few bob if we got rid of them.
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Who are the 'others' ? We could save a few bob if we got rid of them.
I thought the payment for that whole sector was sent to you each year. :)
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They've only put State pensions in to make the other numbers look better ;D
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They've only put State pensions in to make the other numbers look better ;D
I assumed unemployment benefit would be considerably more. That is what the oracle that is Daily Mail would like us to believe. ::)
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They've only put State pensions in to make the other numbers look better ;D
I assumed unemployment benefit would be considerably more. That is what the oracle that is Daily Mail would like us to believe. ::)
I suspect that the bulk of it is in the 'other' section... But pensions aren't a benefit... Without that £92 billion, the £16.5 billion that unemployment and other are quite significant.
That's the trouble with statistics though, they can be manipulated and misrepresented to suit most arguments ::)
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They've only put State pensions in to make the other numbers look better ;D
I assumed unemployment benefit would be considerably more. That is what the oracle that is Daily Mail would like us to believe. ::)
I suspect that the bulk of it is in the 'other' section... But pensions aren't a benefit... Without that £92 billion, the £16.5 billion that unemployment and other are quite significant.
That's the trouble with statistics though, they can be manipulated and misrepresented to suit most arguments ::)
Because many people are living longer we have a situation where many/most pensioners have taken out of the system far more than they ever put in.
We have a pensioner time bomb just waiting to overwhelm the system.
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They've only put State pensions in to make the other numbers look better ;D
I assumed unemployment benefit would be considerably more. That is what the oracle that is Daily Mail would like us to believe. ::)
I suspect that the bulk of it is in the 'other' section... But pensions aren't a benefit... Without that £92 billion, the £16.5 billion that unemployment and other are quite significant.
That's the trouble with statistics though, they can be manipulated and misrepresented to suit most arguments ::)
You've merely added the 14 billion of 'others' to unemployment. Very naughty. ;) ;D
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
Far more than 92 billion in reality.
There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'
Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.
Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.
Old people are expensive. :)
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
Far more than 92 billion in reality.
There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'
Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.
Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.
Old people are expensive. :)
Well...I get my hard-earned old age pension in 18 months. I was thinking of donating it to charity, but then I thought.....nah...f**k 'em. :)
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
Far more than 92 billion in reality.
There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'
Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.
Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.
Old people are expensive. :)
Well...I get my hard-earned old age pension in 18 months. I was thinking of donating it to charity, but then I thought.....nah...f**k 'em. :)
That's the spirit. :D ;D ;D ;D
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
Far more than 92 billion in reality.
There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'
Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.
Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.
Old people are expensive. :)
It doesn't say billion, just says £92.1, so I assume that means 92 pounds and 10 pence ::)
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The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.
Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of 'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols' to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)
Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)
The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...
Low wage business presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.
Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.
The whole system you speak off was introduced by Gormless Brown. The worst Chancellor in history.
Until Blair / Brown etc. came along I was a lifelong Labour voter. But as their Govt. got into its stride it became very obvious to me that although I was earning more money than I ever had done before, I was the poorest I had ever been.
It became evident that this was due to the economic policies - stealth taxes etc. etc.
This got me to questioning all my beliefs about politics, which I had assumed to be right for a long time.
At the end of that process of discovering how the the really important things in life, like individual freedom and responsibility were totally alien to left wing thinking, I was somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan. :)
Society should be structured so that everyone can work and keep themselves. If some people genuinely cant work, society should provide them with food, warmth and shelter. No more and no less.
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
Far more than 92 billion in reality.
There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'
Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.
Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.
Old people are expensive. :)
Well...I get my hard-earned old age pension in 18 months. I was thinking of donating it to charity, but then I thought.....nah...f**k 'em. :)
That's the spirit. :D ;D ;D ;D
Besides, it will probably pay for a new mattress every couple of months :y ;D
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
Far more than 92 billion in reality.
There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'
Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.
Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.
Old people are expensive. :)
You forgot the winter fuel allowance ....
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
Far more than 92 billion in reality.
There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'
Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.
Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.
Old people are expensive. :)
You forgot the winter fuel allowance ....
....and TV licence. :)
Is the £10 Christmas box that Ted Heath implemented still in place?
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The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.
Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of 'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols' to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)
Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)
The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...
Low wage business presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.
Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.
The whole system you speak off was introduced by Gormless Brown. The worst Chancellor in history.
Until Blair / Brown etc. came along I was a lifelong Labour voter. But as their Govt. got into its stride it became very obvious to me that although I was earning more money than I ever had done before, I was the poorest I had ever been.
It became evident that this was due to the economic policies - stealth taxes etc. etc.
This got me to questioning all my beliefs about politics, which I had assumed to be right for a long time.
At the end of that process of discovering how the the really important things in life, like individual freedom and responsibility were totally alien to left wing thinking, I was somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan. :)
Society should be structured so that everyone can work and keep themselves. If some people genuinely cant work, society should provide them with food, warmth and shelter. No more and no less.
I 'loosely' agree with some of what you say.
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i stand on both my feet not on the left or the right i need both ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
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That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's :o
Far more than 92 billion in reality.
There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'
Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.
Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.
Old people are expensive. :)
You forgot the winter fuel allowance ....
....and TV licence. :)
Is the £10 Christmas box that Ted Heath implemented still in place?
Yes that too.....and free prescriptions :)
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Prescriptions are free for anyone over 60.
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Prescriptions are free for anyone over 60.
Free for everyone down here. Took some getting used to
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Prescriptions are free for anyone over 60.
Free for everyone down here. Took some getting used to
Probably best.....I imagine you could get some nasty infections from sheep ::) ;D
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Prescriptions are free for anyone over 60.
Free for everyone down here. Took some getting used to
Probably best.....I imagine you could get some nasty infections from sheep ::) ;D
Nope.
Wrong again as usual. Free blue tablets for the sheep ::)
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The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.
Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of 'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols' to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)
Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)
The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...
Low wage business presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.
Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.
Typical 1980's/90's working class family. Earning 10-20% more than minimum wage, where we had pretty near full employment. They bought their council house, so they were on the property ladder, things were tight with a mortgage but manageable. They were doing okay, with husband, wife and two kids, house, car, yearly package holiday, a few luxuries etc., life was not too bad. :y :y :y
Then Tony BLier and Gordon McRuin got into power, taxes went up, council tax was doubled and made it much tougher, but what was the real killer for the above family, was being made redundant and at best reemployed on minimum wages, which no longer covered your minimum monthly outgoings. :( :( :(
The replacement was the abundance of cheap East European labour, restricted by all other EU countries to stop wage deflation and hardship, except Tony BLier and Gordon McRuin: The result was a flood of East Europeans who were so happy to work for the UK minimum wage, (or much less ::) ::) ::) ), this was to them mega 7-10x wages they were used to. :y :y :y Rents, 4-5 to a room or more in shared digs were a minimum. Sending back home £100+ a week, when you used to earn £50 or less a month, luxury, being paid what you were owed and on time unbelievable as the norm. in Eastern Europe is to be skimmed or not paid at all, at best payment will be delayed and you will receive a fraction on what you should of been paid. :o :o :o
This is the reality of what this country through with the EU and the Liebour Hampstead Luvvies and what their abandonment of the working class meant. David 'worth £130m' CaMoron platitudes were I understand what the UK working class are going through, IMO at best 'conceited liar' and then he gave the hard pressed working class the chance to roll the clock back, the possibility of restoring where they used to be financially and on the 23rd of June they took it. :y :y :y
Socialist don't blame the socialist politicians, but the 'evil capitalists' except those capitalist have to work with the conditions and laws set by the socialist politicians. So lets put the blame where it should be with the Tony BLier, Gordon McRuin and the majority of Liebour socialist politicians and their conceite and betrayal of the decent hardworking working class. >:( >:( >:(
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The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.
Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of 'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols' to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)
Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)
The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...
Low wage business presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.
Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.
Typical 1980's/90's working class family. Earning 10-20% more than minimum wage, where we had pretty near full employment. They bought their council house, so they were on the property ladder, things were tight with a mortgage but manageable. They were doing okay, with husband, wife and two kids, house, car, yearly package holiday, a few luxuries etc., life was not too bad. :y :y :y
Then Tony BLier and Gordon McRuin got into power, taxes went up, council tax was doubled and made it much tougher, but what was the real killer for the above family, was being made redundant and at best reemployed on minimum wages, which no longer covered your minimum monthly outgoings. :( :( :(
The replacement was the abundance of cheap East European labour, restricted by all other EU countries to stop wage deflation and hardship, except Tony BLier and Gordon McRuin: The result was a flood of East Europeans who were so happy to work for the UK minimum wage, (or much less ::) ::) ::) ), this was to them mega 7-10x wages they were used to. :y :y :y Rents, 4-5 to a room or more in shared digs were a minimum. Sending back home £100+ a week, when you used to earn £50 or less a month, luxury, being paid what you were owed and on time unbelievable as the norm. in Eastern Europe is to be skimmed or not paid at all, at best payment will be delayed and you will receive a fraction on what you should of been paid. :o :o :o
This is the reality of what this country through with the EU and the Liebour Hampstead Luvvies and what their abandonment of the working class meant. David 'worth £130m' CaMoron platitudes were I understand what the UK working class are going through, IMO at best 'conceited liar' and then he gave the hard pressed working class the chance to roll the clock back, the possibility of restoring where they used to be financially and on the 23rd of June they took it. :y :y :y
Socialist don't blame the socialist politicians, but the 'evil capitalists' except those capitalist have to work with the conditions and laws set by the socialist politicians. So lets put the blame where it should be with the Tony BLier, Gordon McRuin and the majority of Liebour socialist politicians and their conceite and betrayal of the decent hardworking working class. >:( >:( >:(
We haven't had a Labour government for almost 7 years.......and the Blair/Brown administrations had very little to do with socialism. Gordon Brown in particular was too busy arse-licking the bankers for socialism. :)
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Also, Mr Rods.
You say we had almost full employment during the eighties. Not true. Statistically the eighties were years of extremely high unemployment. For five consecutive years 83-87 employment remained above 3 milllion, peaking at 3.4 million in 1984. :)
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We haven't had a socialist government in the country since 1979 when Callaghan lost to Thatcher.
Almost forty years. :)
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I worked from age 15 to 64, (made redundant). That,s 49yrs of paying full NI stamp, whereas now i believe that you only need to work 36yrs :-\ . That,s quite a drain on resources re pensions.
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We haven't had a socialist government in the country since 1979 when Callaghan lost to Thatcher.
Almost forty years. :)
Remember the state of the country when the last socialist govt. was finished with it ? :o
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We haven't had a socialist government in the country since 1979 when Callaghan lost to Thatcher.
Almost forty years. :)
Remember the state of the country when the last socialist govt. was finished with it ? :o
My point being..... how long can we keep blaming the socialists?
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Very few people are 100% left or right wing. Most people are a combination.
I'm a Christian* Socialist with Liberal views and a belief in the free market and knowledge that responsible entrepreneurial business, is the only way. I.e treat everyone with respect, don't screw the workers, only create competition where it matters, and don't take more money than is fair.
Unfortunately, due to human nature, Communism doesn't work. And neither does the capitalist system, because we are all intrinsically greedy, what something for nothing, and would happily see everyone else in poverty, if it meant we were very comfortable.
Note * I was brought up by Christians, but consider myself not to be one, but the way Christians believe that God created us all equal has never left me.
Plus my parents took me to look around a German Concentration Camp when I was 8, and this may have had an impact on my views, plus I was a teenager during the early 80's in Liverpool, and saw what the conservatives did to the north, which resulted in the rioting in Toxteth.
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We haven't had a socialist government in the country since 1979 when Callaghan lost to Thatcher.
Almost forty years. :)
Remember the state of the country when the last socialist govt. was finished with it ? :o
My point being..... how long can we keep blaming the socialists?
For as long as it takes. :D
For the last couple of decades (at least) socialists have had a firm grip on most of the levers of power in this country, through their almost complete infiltration of the whole public sector. It doesn't make a great deal of difference who the current resident of 10 Downing st. is, in the grand scheme of things.
We need a PM to come along and do to the public sector what Thatcher did to the private sector in the 80,s.
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We haven't had a socialist government in the country since 1979 when Callaghan lost to Thatcher.
Almost forty years. :)
Remember the state of the country when the last socialist govt. was finished with it ? :o
My point being..... how long can we keep blaming the socialists?
For as long as it takes. :D
For the last couple of decades (at least) socialists have had a firm grip on most of the levers of power in this country, through their almost complete infiltration of the whole public sector. It doesn't make a great deal of difference who the current resident of 10 Downing st. is, in the grand scheme of things.
We need a PM to come along and do to the public sector what Thatcher did to the private sector in the 80,s.
This old dragon resided over the highest unemployment since the great depression in the thirties. She then created and exploited the north/south divide. Little wonder her own party stabbed her in the back at the end of 1990. :)
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Most of what she did needed to be done and done quickly. Her big mistake - recently admitted by Norman Tebbit - was not to put the resources into rebuilding the North after she had saved the country from total ruin.
The "wets" in her party stabbed her in the back because she was a Eurosceptic. Posthumous revenge was served cold in June 2016. :)
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Most of what she did needed to be done and done quickly. Her big mistake - recently admitted by Norman Tebbit - was not to put the resources into rebuilding the North after she had saved the country from total ruin.
The "wets" in her party stabbed her in the back because she was a Eurosceptic. Posthumous revenge was served cold in June 2016. :)
Excellent, Migv6!
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Most of what she did needed to be done and done quickly. Her big mistake - recently admitted by Norman Tebbit - was not to put the resources into rebuilding the North after she had saved the country from total ruin.
The "wets" in her party stabbed her in the back because she was a Eurosceptic. Posthumous revenge was served cold in June 2016. :)
I'm sure Mr Heseltine and co are really sorry for what they did. :)
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Had the unions been kicked in to touch in the early/mid seventies, most of those unemployed in the early '80s might have been working.
Equally, had Blair/Brown not squandered the results of Thatchers hard work in the name of New Labour, we would be in a much better place now...
Not that in the grand scheme of things we're doing badly...
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Most of what she did needed to be done and done quickly. Her big mistake - recently admitted by Norman Tebbit - was not to put the resources into rebuilding the North after she had saved the country from total ruin.
The "wets" in her party stabbed her in the back because she was a Eurosceptic. Posthumous revenge was served cold in June 2016. :)
I'm sure Mr Heseltine and co are really sorry for what they did. :)
Heseltine should be hung for treason. The famous Europhile said several years ago "the age of the nation state is dead". In other words, he wants to abolish the UK and allow it to disappear into the U.S.E.
I believe Juncker the drunkard repeated this in the last couple of days. Claiming that the answer to all Europes problems were to abolish its nation states and just have one big country.
They still don't get it do they ? ::)
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Have you a link to Drunker saying that please?
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Its probably in this link somewhere, but I cant listen to him for over half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex52paNVMHo
I probably read it in the Daily Wail, but its not advisable to post a link to that hated rag on here. :D
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Or elsewhere.
Thanks.
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If you look at my post in the Missing SKY channels it might give a bit more info. :-[ ;D
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What's really getting my goat these days is the attitude propagated by the lefty liberals that anyone who voted for BREXIT is some sort of ignorant extreme right wing nazi nutter! ::) >:(
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What's really getting my goat these days is the attitude propagated by the lefty liberals that anyone who voted for BREXIT is some sort of ignorant extreme right wing nazi nutter! ::) >:(
Yes...but....no one takes any notice of them...except the BBC..so don't worry about it. They are idealistic idiots, did you see the fool Tatchell usurping Corbyn at a speech he was giving yesterday? They can't even agree among themselves.
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What's really getting my goat these days is the attitude propagated by the lefty liberals that anyone who voted for BREXIT is some sort of ignorant extreme right wing nazi nutter! ::) >:(
Yes...but....no one takes any notice of them...except the BBC..so don't worry about it. They are idealistic idiots, did you see the fool Tatchell usurping Corbyn at a speech he was giving yesterday? They can't even agree among themselves.
Not a very likeable bender. :-\
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What's really getting my goat these days is the attitude propagated by the lefty liberals that anyone who voted for BREXIT is some sort of ignorant extreme right wing nazi nutter! ::) >:(
Yes...but....no one takes any notice of them...except the BBC..so don't worry about it. They are idealistic idiots, did you see the fool Tatchell usurping Corbyn at a speech he was giving yesterday? They can't even agree among themselves.
The trouble is that many of these 'liberal' types believe the shite spewed out by the lefty news organisations. A good example of this was when a mate of mine tried to tell me that Russia's annexation of Crimea was entirely justified as historically Crimea was part of Russia and that the people of Crimea voted in a referendum to join Russia. ::)
My comeback was in that case it would be totally justified for Britain to annexe the Republic of Ireland, and hold a referendum at gunpoint after the event. Of course he had no answer. ;)
Funnily enough I haven't heard from that particular friend since the referendum.... ::) :(
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I, personally, don't blame Russia for that move. WTF do we want Ukraine in NATO for, except to piss Russia off. The west must take it's share of the blame for bear-baiting. As if Russia was ever gonna let her Black Sea fleet base fall into the hands of NATO.
Same with Turkey, what useful purpose would it serve, them being part of the EU?
It's a game of 'we don't want it, but you're not having it'.
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I, personally, don't blame Russia for that move. WTF do we want Ukraine in NATO for, except to piss Russia off. The west must take it's share of the blame for bear-baiting. As if Russia was ever gonna let her Black Sea fleet base fall into the hands of NATO.
Same with Turkey, what useful purpose would it serve, them being part of the EU?
It's a game of 'we don't want it, but you're not having it'.
That's the cause of Russia's annexation of Crimea, and you are right that the EU, Nato and the West in general should have left well alone or in my opinion encouraged Ukraine to look both ways.
However, that doesn't excuse a country from invading another countries sovereign territory. Where will we be if we start appeasing such behaviour? ::) Oh hang on haven't we been here before.... Within living memory as well! ;)
As an edit and following your line of thinking, wouldn't BREXIT justify a military takeover of the UK by the EU? I often think that I'm alone in thinking that an EU army or military, answerable to the unaccountable and undemocratic EU commission is a pretty unpalatable prospect to be honest. :-\
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You're being silly. The EU haven't got a naval base on our territory. Anyway, by the time they'd have all the meetings required to get all 27 member states to agree to it, and then decided who was gonna contribute what, we'd have all died of old age anyway.
It boils down to this: Russia will do whatever it likes because, as a military force, NATO is no more than a bunch of rag-tag nations (in Europe anyway) that could never actually fight as one. If we tried it without the US, Russia would beat us up.
American doesn't want to know, they seem to have lost the stomach for it, and is busy keeping an eye on China.
To your point about us appeasing such behaviour. Well...what are we gonna do about it? Moan? Demonstrate? Cry? Russia couldn't give a toss about how we feel.
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To your point about us appeasing such behaviour. Well...what are we gonna do about it? Moan? Demonstrate? Cry? Russia couldn't give a toss about how we feel.
You might think I'm being silly but this is exactly what they thought in 1938. ::)
Although Trump is Putin's new 'Bestie' he is right about NATO, in that many countries don't pay their fair share. The thing is, at the end of the day the US will always fight their battles on European soil, because if Europe falls the next battle will be on home turf and they will do anything to prevent that. ;)
As to the EU, if it survives it will definitely become more of a nation state and individual countries will have less say and control over it's affairs. It was always the plan and we have been lied to about this for 40 years! >:(
FOOTNOTE: Russia and Ukraine have been mentioned more than once recently in this thread which can only mean one thing! :-X
Rods2 to to GenDiss!! ;D
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Don't need Rods to state the bleedin obvious.
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It seems the only place to find the truth these days is on the web.
Don't recall seeing this on BBC/ITV/SKY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw)
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CIA have now confirmed that Russia has interfered in US POTUS election, favouring Trump. It looks increasingly like Trump is 'owned by Putin' either through 'Kompromat' or through the financing of Trump's businesses (hence maybe why Trump not publishing tax returns as promised).
Now we all know that Trump is thin skinned, unstable and easily angered. What happens if Putin's value on this is much higher than Trump thinks he owes? :o :o :o As POTUS Trump has quite wide latitude to let loose nukes if he thinks US is under 'attack'. :o :o :o In 2017 what can possibly go wrong? :o :o :o
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To your point about us appeasing such behaviour. Well...what are we gonna do about it? Moan? Demonstrate? Cry? Russia couldn't give a toss about how we feel.
You might think I'm being silly but this is exactly what they thought in 1938. ::)
Although Trump is Putin's new 'Bestie' he is right about NATO, in that many countries don't pay their fair share. The thing is, at the end of the day the US will always fight their battles on European soil, because if Europe falls the next battle will be on home turf and they will do anything to prevent that. ;)
As to the EU, if it survives it will definitely become more of a nation state and individual countries will have less say and control over it's affairs. It was always the plan and we have been lied to about this for 40 years! >:(
FOOTNOTE: Russia and Ukraine have been mentioned more than once recently in this thread which can only mean one thing! :-X
Rods2 to to GenDiss!! ;D
Before the Russian invasion of Crimea, followed by the further invasion of Donbas, Ukraine's population's interest in joining NATO was always less than 20%, anything other you have read is Russian propaganda. However, what was much higher was Ukraine's interest in joining the EU, which was around 40-50%. The country's main motivation for joining the EU was to escape from their post-Soviet economy, totally corrupt system and poverty.
Russia used and uses Russian-Ukrainian oligarchs and mafia ties to try and keep the Ukrainians in their place. Didn't work under Stalin hence over 1000 uprisings against Soviet rule, especially in 1930-32 against collectivization which culminated in Stalin's deliberate starvation and genocide of 5-8million Ukrainians in the 1932-33 Holodomor and it won't work under Putin now. The Dnieper river area in Ukraine is where the famous Cossacks originated from and was always Russia's preferred recruitment area when they wanted to raise an army. Ukrainians had seen the other post-Soviet countries take this route, reform under the EU rules and guidance and transform themselves into much richer, much less corrupt countries and societies. Ukraine wants the same, but Russia wants to keep the immediate countries on their border as poor corrupt post-Soviet societies. Moldova was the first problem country, hence the Russian support and the formation of the 'Russian controlled' breakaway area of Transnistria. Georgia was next, hence the 2008 invasion and then Ukraine in 2014. Next will probably be either Kazakhstan or Belarus. :(
Most trade between Ukraine and Russia has now stopped and Ukraine imports all its gas through Western countries. Gazprom recently offered Ukraine the cheap price of $185MMBtu and Ukraine said no. Ukraine-EU exports grew by 30% in 2015, the first year of the EU agreement. Since 2014 Maiden, Russian invasion and economic attacks, Ukraine's economy contracted sharply, but it has now started growing again. :y
These days, in Ukraine, NATO memberships polls at 50-80% of the population and the EU at up to 95%. Russia carries out these invasions as they know a country having any disputed territory or war automatically excludes NATO membership. Last week Ukraine and Georgia finally managed to get visa free travel, in the Schlangen area of the EU, for visiting up to 90 days in 6 months, which will further boost trade.
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CIA have now confirmed that Russia has interfered in US POTUS election, favouring Trump.
Hmm the CIA..... ::) That bastion of truth, ethics and morality. :-X
Ooo gotta go there's a knock at the door.... ::) If I don't come back.... :o :D ;D
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CIA have now confirmed that Russia has interfered in US POTUS election, favouring Trump.
Rubbished already...
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/cias-russian-hacking-claims-dismissed-as-bulls-by-former-uk-ambassador-craig-murray-35288057.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/cias-russian-hacking-claims-dismissed-as-bulls-by-former-uk-ambassador-craig-murray-35288057.html)
Now we all know that Trump is thin skinned, unstable and easily angered.
Much less easily angered than the mad witch... ;)
As POTUS Trump has quite wide latitude to let loose nukes if he thinks US is under 'attack'.
Well, I can't see him being under attack from Vlad. ;)
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CIA have now confirmed that Russia has interfered in US POTUS election, favouring Trump.
Hmm the CIA..... ::) That bastion of truth, ethics and morality. :-X
Ooo gotta go there's a knock at the door.... ::) If I don't come back.... :o :D ;D
Central Intelligence Agency :o ::)
That's got to be the biggest contradiction in terms EVER :D :D
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its not just the cia saying it the fbi are saying it too.......
hmmm, this is the same fbi who (according to clinton) sabotaged clintons chances a few days before the election by re-opening her private email server scandal....
maybe the fbi are working for the russians. maybe they have now switched sides and are working to expose the russians... maybe they were a double agent all along... :o