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Re: Where do you stand?
« Reply #45 on: 09 December 2016, 17:18:21 »

That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's   :o

Far more than 92 billion in reality.

There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'

Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.

Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.

Old people are expensive. :)
Well...I get my hard-earned old age pension in 18 months. I was thinking of donating it to charity, but then I thought.....nah...f**k 'em:)

That's the spirit. :D ;D ;D ;D

Besides, it will probably pay for a new mattress every couple of months  :y ;D
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« Reply #46 on: 09 December 2016, 17:30:08 »

That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's   :o

Far more than 92 billion in reality.

There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'

Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.

Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.

Old people are expensive. :)

You forgot the winter fuel allowance .... 
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Re: Where do you stand?
« Reply #47 on: 09 December 2016, 17:37:12 »

That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's   :o

Far more than 92 billion in reality.

There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'

Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.

Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.

Old people are expensive. :)

You forgot the winter fuel allowance ....

....and TV licence. :)

Is the £10 Christmas box that Ted Heath implemented still in place?
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Re: Where do you stand?
« Reply #48 on: 09 December 2016, 17:41:28 »

The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.

Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of  'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols'  to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)

Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)

The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...

Low wage business  presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.

Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.
The whole system you speak off was introduced by Gormless Brown. The worst Chancellor in history.
Until Blair / Brown etc. came along I was a lifelong Labour voter. But as their Govt. got into its stride it became very obvious to me that although I was earning more money than I ever had done before, I was the poorest I had ever been.
It became evident that this was due to the economic policies - stealth taxes etc. etc.
This got me to questioning all my beliefs about politics, which I had assumed to be right for a long time.
At the end of that process of discovering how the the really important things in life, like individual freedom and responsibility were totally alien to left wing thinking, I was somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan.  :)
Society should be structured so that everyone can work and keep themselves. If some people genuinely cant work, society should provide them with food, warmth and shelter. No more and no less.

I 'loosely' agree with some of what you say.
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Re: Where do you stand?
« Reply #49 on: 09 December 2016, 17:59:13 »

i stand on both my feet not on the left or the right i need both ;D ;D ;D :-* :-*
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« Reply #50 on: 09 December 2016, 18:17:01 »

That chart clearly states that only just over £92 is coughed up for pensions, not a lot to go round all the oap's   :o

Far more than 92 billion in reality.

There is another 6.5 billion in pension credit 'top up'

Then there is attendance allowance. There will also be some disability benefits, which come with age and decline.

Also a portion of the housing benefits pot to help with rent for those pensioners who don't own their own home.

Old people are expensive. :)

You forgot the winter fuel allowance ....

....and TV licence. :)

Is the £10 Christmas box that Ted Heath implemented still in place?

Yes that too.....and free prescriptions   :)
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Re: Where do you stand?
« Reply #51 on: 09 December 2016, 18:21:19 »

Prescriptions are free for anyone over 60.
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« Reply #52 on: 09 December 2016, 18:25:48 »

Prescriptions are free for anyone over 60.

Free for everyone down here. Took some getting used to
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« Reply #53 on: 09 December 2016, 19:12:48 »

Prescriptions are free for anyone over 60.

Free for everyone down here. Took some getting used to

Probably best.....I imagine you could get some nasty infections from sheep  ::) ;D
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« Reply #54 on: 09 December 2016, 22:13:32 »

Prescriptions are free for anyone over 60.

Free for everyone down here. Took some getting used to

Probably best.....I imagine you could get some nasty infections from sheep  ::) ;D

Nope.

Wrong again as usual. Free blue tablets for the sheep  ::)

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Re: Where do you stand?
« Reply #55 on: 10 December 2016, 02:21:15 »

The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.

Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of  'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols'  to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)

Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)

The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...

Low wage business  presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.

Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.

Typical 1980's/90's working class family. Earning 10-20% more than minimum wage, where we had pretty near full employment. They bought their council house, so they were on the property ladder, things were tight with a mortgage but manageable. They were doing okay, with husband, wife and two kids, house, car, yearly package holiday, a few luxuries etc., life was not too bad. :y :y :y

Then Tony BLier and Gordon McRuin got into power, taxes went up, council tax was doubled and made it much tougher, but what was the real killer for the above family, was being made redundant and at best reemployed on minimum wages, which no longer covered your minimum monthly outgoings. :( :( :(

The replacement was the abundance of cheap East European labour, restricted by all other EU countries to stop wage deflation and hardship, except Tony BLier and Gordon McRuin: The result was a flood of East Europeans who were so happy to work for the UK  minimum wage, (or much less ::) ::) ::) ), this was to them mega 7-10x wages they were used to. :y :y :y Rents, 4-5 to a room or more in shared digs were a minimum. Sending back home £100+ a week, when you used to earn £50 or less a month, luxury, being paid what you were owed and on time unbelievable as the norm. in Eastern Europe is to be skimmed or not paid at all, at best payment will be delayed and you will receive a fraction on what you should of been paid. :o :o :o

This is the reality of what this country through with the EU and the Liebour Hampstead Luvvies and what their abandonment of the working class meant. David 'worth £130m' CaMoron platitudes were I understand what the UK working class are going through, IMO at best 'conceited liar' and then he gave the hard pressed working class the chance to roll the clock back, the possibility of restoring where they used to be financially and on the 23rd of June they took it. :y :y :y

Socialist don't blame the socialist politicians, but the 'evil capitalists' except those capitalist have to work with the conditions and laws set by the socialist politicians. So lets put the blame where it should  be with the Tony BLier, Gordon McRuin and the majority of Liebour socialist politicians and their conceite and betrayal of the decent hardworking working class. >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #56 on: 10 December 2016, 12:07:44 »

The Conservatives believe in what they call 'self-reliance'. This is admirable. I also believe in it, as do millions of socialists.

Where the Tories fall down in my estimation is that they have an inbuilt philosophy of  'I do well by exploiting you'......I make lots of money by getting the 'plebs and prols'  to work for long hours in poor conditions for extremely poor pay. This is why we have the working poor. Hard working people who need additional help in the form of working tax credits to survive)

Good employers do not need their workers wages to be topped up by the taxpayer because they pay a decent wage. Bad employers do. :-\
Thing is, thanks to your Socialist benefits system, the plebs and prols don't actually do anything ::)

The reason that wages are artificially low is due to the fact that an entire generation of Eastern Europeans voluntarily came West specifically to be less exploited than at home...

Low wage business  presents a great opportunity for reprobate employers. 'We get rich because the government/taxpayer makes up the shortfall'.

Individuals/companies who don't have a financially viable business should not employ people.

Typical 1980's/90's working class family. Earning 10-20% more than minimum wage, where we had pretty near full employment. They bought their council house, so they were on the property ladder, things were tight with a mortgage but manageable. They were doing okay, with husband, wife and two kids, house, car, yearly package holiday, a few luxuries etc., life was not too bad. :y :y :y

Then Tony BLier and Gordon McRuin got into power, taxes went up, council tax was doubled and made it much tougher, but what was the real killer for the above family, was being made redundant and at best reemployed on minimum wages, which no longer covered your minimum monthly outgoings. :( :( :(

The replacement was the abundance of cheap East European labour, restricted by all other EU countries to stop wage deflation and hardship, except Tony BLier and Gordon McRuin: The result was a flood of East Europeans who were so happy to work for the UK  minimum wage, (or much less ::) ::) ::) ), this was to them mega 7-10x wages they were used to. :y :y :y Rents, 4-5 to a room or more in shared digs were a minimum. Sending back home £100+ a week, when you used to earn £50 or less a month, luxury, being paid what you were owed and on time unbelievable as the norm. in Eastern Europe is to be skimmed or not paid at all, at best payment will be delayed and you will receive a fraction on what you should of been paid. :o :o :o

This is the reality of what this country through with the EU and the Liebour Hampstead Luvvies and what their abandonment of the working class meant. David 'worth £130m' CaMoron platitudes were I understand what the UK working class are going through, IMO at best 'conceited liar' and then he gave the hard pressed working class the chance to roll the clock back, the possibility of restoring where they used to be financially and on the 23rd of June they took it. :y :y :y

Socialist don't blame the socialist politicians, but the 'evil capitalists' except those capitalist have to work with the conditions and laws set by the socialist politicians. So lets put the blame where it should  be with the Tony BLier, Gordon McRuin and the majority of Liebour socialist politicians and their conceite and betrayal of the decent hardworking working class. >:( >:( >:(

We haven't had a Labour government for almost 7 years.......and the Blair/Brown administrations had very little to do with socialism.  Gordon Brown in particular was too busy arse-licking the bankers for socialism. :)
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« Reply #57 on: 10 December 2016, 12:19:37 »

Also, Mr Rods.

You say we had almost full employment during the eighties. Not true. Statistically the eighties were years of extremely high unemployment. For five consecutive years 83-87 employment remained  above 3 milllion, peaking at 3.4 million in 1984. :)

 
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« Reply #58 on: 10 December 2016, 12:35:28 »

We haven't had a socialist government in the country since 1979 when Callaghan lost to Thatcher.

Almost forty years. :)
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« Reply #59 on: 10 December 2016, 13:01:04 »

I worked from age 15 to 64, (made redundant). That,s 49yrs of paying full NI stamp, whereas now i believe that you only need to work 36yrs :-\ . That,s quite a drain on resources re pensions.
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