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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: anV6 on 28 December 2016, 11:44:10
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Is there an Omega Buyers Guide somewhere? I checked here and the FAQ are pretty good and can be used as a buyer's guide of sorts, at least for the engine. But I didn't find an actual buyer's guide. Google also didn't turn up anything. Autobahnstormers has a model guide but not a buying guide.
As luck would have it, a couple of cars turned up which I'm really interested and a buyer's guide would be very useful.
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A lot of the do's and don'ts and watch out for,have been covered on and off over the years on here,I think it will depend on what you are going to use the car for,i.e a stop gap daily driver until something else comes along or perhaps a better conditioned car to be kept as a weekender etc. So for me....as mine are keepers then it's body work which will include rear wheel arches,door bottoms,sills which are covered by factory covers and general under body rust, as these items can be costly when outsourced for repairs.Mechanically I've had no major problems other than a top end refresh at 220k miles on my 3.2 Elite as it was puffing out a very small amount of blue smoke on cold start ups,but resolved quickly by Serek at SOS Auto Motive who is a member on here.Cambelt history is an important point when buying the Omega as they have to be changed at 40k or every 4 years whichever comes sooner,so it's worth trying to get proof of the history as it's going to cost you around £250 to get it done by someone on here if you are not able to do it yourself.Suspension i.e wishbones/droplinks/track rods/wheel bearings etc all need looking at for wear as the Omega does need these items to be in good condition to drive properly.This short run through is based on the things that would be important to me initially,but other members will be along to add their own thoughts about their own criteria for buying an Omega.And finally any warning lights that don't go out on start up need to be investigated as sellers will tell you things like that the light has been on for a year but doesn't affect the running of the car .....could be 02 sensors could be ...????
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Sure all the needed information may be scattered around the forum. But a buying guide would be very useful to anybody looking for one of these cars. If I was knowledgeable enough about them I would put one together and post as a thread.
Is changing the cambelt kit a hard task or is it an easy DIY job?
I'm going to look at a car which has had it done 25000 miles ago. So it has another 15000 to go. But I don't know when it was done or if it has provenance. So in case it comes down to buy it to do the cambelt or not buy it I wanted to know if this is something I can do myself.
It supposedly has no rust according to the owner and it looks good in the pictures.
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As Ken says, it's all covered in the guides...
And all depends on asking price, budget, repair budget, your approach/mindset, how much you're prepared to do (or not) and ultimately gut feeling.
Omegas only have a handful of common faults and these are well documented.
Any Omega, regardless of purchase price is likely to need around a grand spent on it in the first year, and that's just suspension, brakes, cambelt and geometry and assumes that you do the work yourself. Even a half decent service will cost £120 in bits.
Basically, if you like the look of the car, buy it. Any doubts, don't.
If you really like the car, you might wish to remove the sill covers and empty the boot out/remove rear seat base and pull rear carpet forward... Just to be sure...
Just remember, any decision is made using YOUR subjectivity, and anything we say is largely immaterial in this regard ;)
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I see what you mean.
I just came back from looking at a car. Finally got to drive a 3.0 manual. I have to say I'm a bit surprised and not sure if in a good way. It felt a bit, I don't know. I'm not sure sluggish is the right word. But it didn't feel tight. The gas pedal has a very peculiar feeling. Kind of reminds me of the W124 Mercedes. It has that feeling that it has a massive block of wood bolted to the bottom. I'm not sure it is supposed to feel that way or not as this is the only 3.0 I have driven so far. To make matters worse the power steering pump is not working properly, so the steering was a bit funny. All together it was not a very useful test drive to judge the car by.
Besides the power steering pump, which the seller is giving a new one with the car to be exchanged, it has a few problems which on their own seem little but all together it seems would be a lot of time to get the car to perfect condition. Big dent on the door but seller will give another door of the same color, windscreen has a 20cm crack near the corner, although not through on either side. GPS screen has a malfunction. If you press on it it can work, but normally not. So it seems the radio also won't. Then there are a few bits in the internal trim that needs replacement. Like the gear knob is loose and it needs a new one and a few other bits here and there.
Rust I didn't see anything. Only a very small, thump tip sized bust on the top of the rear arch.
Mechanically the engine seems to pull ok, if the weird feeling at the pedal is normal. But it was hard to judge the driving because of the faulty power steering pump. To maneuver in the parking lot it makes all sorts of noises and is heavy. During driving I had the impression the steering wheel was shaking. But it's hard to say if it's the faulty pump or something worse.
I didn't get too much time with the car. And I doubt I would be able to do things like remove the sill covers, remove rear seat base and pull rear carpet forward before I buy. But I guess taking it to a mechanic should not be a problem.
All together I got a bit of cold feet. But it's hard to judge without having a reference point. Maybe this is just how a 3.0 is supposed to drive. ???
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Those in depth points were purely to ascertain the condition of the shell where the sills join the floor/wheel arches.
Sounds a bit of a dog... Steering shudder is almost certainly not pump related. Note that the V6s have servotronic steering which affects the amount of effort according to road speed ;)
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I see. Thanks. :)
So it was indeed a total waste of time to test drive the car with the faulty pump. I have no idea why he wouldn't replace the pump before selling if he has one. It probably changes the whole feeling of the car. I mean he wants to sell the car. Why not maximize his chances? It makes no sense.
What about the feeling at the gas pedal I describe? Does that sound normal? Is that how they all feel?
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Maybe this is just how a 3.0 is supposed to drive. ???
Although modern engines are quicker, even smaller engines, the 3.0 should still have impressive mid range pulling power that will hold a lot of other cars at bay. I can't speak for a manual as both of mine have been autos but it should still make you smile when you floor it when it's rolling.
My other car will piss my 3.2 off the mark, mid range and top end but I'm not dissing the 3.2 as I'm more than happy with how that goes. It pulls strongly once it's rolling and just keeps pulling to quite a high speed. :-X
It most certainly should not feel flat. I agree with Al that the steering shudder is not pump related. :y
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Maybe this is just how a 3.0 is supposed to drive. ???
Although modern engines are quicker, even smaller engines, the 3.0 should still have impressive mid range pulling power that will hold a lot of other cars at bay. I can't speak for a manual as both of mine have been autos but it should still make you smile when you floor it when it's rolling.
My other car will piss my 3.2 off the mark, mid range and top end but I'm not dissing the 3.2 as I'm more than happy with how that goes. It pulls strongly once it's rolling and just keeps pulling to quite a high speed. :-X
It most certainly should not feel flat. I agree with Al that the steering shudder is not pump related. :y
It's hard to describe. But if you have driven a W124 I think you understand. It seems to have a sort of delay from when you floor it till when it actually reacts. It pulls ok and has some grunt. But it seems delayed or I don't know. It's hard to explain.
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Pulls ok as in makes a 1.6 Golf feel slow, or opps me, for a two tonne car this shifts?
If the former, then either the multirams aren't working or it's broken, and if the latter then that's fine...
I suspect from your tone, that it's the first one :-\ should rev cleanly to nearly 6K rpm, and should pull like a train through the gears and pull from about 30 kph in top. If it doesn't then any number of things could be wrong with it.
Try as many Omegas as are conveniently local regardless of engine, gearbox age and mileage and you'll get a good grip of the mechanical health... The sorted cars, even 2.2 autos, will stand out from the dogs.
Once you have found a car that fits your instinct, buy it ;)
Obviously allow for all of my earlier post and allow a good margin for subjectivity...
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The problem is not that it is slow. It isn't. On the motorway when I stepped on it it went quite ok from 100 to 160. It's just the reaction to the pedal which is odd.
The steering wheel, it's not that it's vibrating like crazy. It's more that it doesn't feel precise or tight. Has that feeling that it is floating on your hands or something. Feels rubbery kinda. Or lazy. Hard to explain. It was also heavy. Maybe it's all due to the power steering pump not working. But it feels very different from other Opels. I drive an Astra G estate and Astra H estate at work quite often and the steering feels totally different. Feels more precise.
But you are totally right about trying as many Omegas as possible regardless of engine. :y
I already scheduled to try another one tomorrow even though I know I won't buy it since it's a 4 cylinder diesel. I will drive by the dealer in the afternoon. I'm realizing without a good reference it will be difficult to judge. I thought my prior experience with other Opels and other RWD cars would be useful. But it doesn't seem so.
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Like I said, drive other Omegas and use this car as a benchmark...
Astras obviously are very different so don't count. And also consider that with a cabled throttle, pick up should be almost instant as the throttle body is physically attached to the pedal.
Also, like I said, the feel of any given car is subjective.
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Yes, I will drive as many as I can get my hands on.
This was a 2000 FL so it has a cabled throttle. But pick up was definitely not almost instant. ;D
Maybe it is indeed shot then.
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When you are used to a car with tight, immediate response at the steering wheel the Omega steering can appear vague. The brake pedal can also seem to have a fair bit of travel compared to some cars, although the brakes work fine. You get used to these traits and they are not a problem but somebody used to a tighter handling car will notice these things. :y
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When you are used to a car with tight, immediate response at the steering wheel the Omega steering can appear vague. The brake pedal can also seem to have a fair bit of travel compared to some cars, although the brakes work fine. You get used to these traits and they are not a problem but somebody used to a tighter handling car will notice these things. :y
Then it could be this. I guess vague is a good word. Although because it was heavy since the power steering pump isn't working, I'm sure that added to the strange feeling.
I read these cars are prone to have problems with the wishbones, droplinks, track rods, wheel bearings etc. So I was also wondering if the strange feeling could have something to do with it.
But since you mentioned the vague steering, maybe that is the best explanation.
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A 3.0 Manual with a decent looked after engine shouldn,t be sluglish, should fly, especially if your changing gears in the right rev range.
Not the fastest thing on the planet, but should still achieve 0 to 60 in around 7.5 seconds, even though its a heavy old bus.
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As for the steering the omega has a steering box (is this correct english?), while the astra h has rack and pinion steering. The omega is much vaguer on the steering than a modern Opel. But this is what you are used to. I only drive omega, monza and their likes and when i on rare occasions drive somebodys modern car i dont like the super exact steering. I find myself clinching on to the steering wheel for dear life as every little motion makes the car change directions. When im back in the omega the steering is much more relaxed/comfortable. Its all about how you are used to the car reacting.
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As for the steering the omega has a steering box (is this correct english?), ...
:y :y Yes :y :y
clinching .... clinging ;)
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A 3.0 Manual with a decent looked after engine shouldn,t be sluglish, should fly, especially if your changing gears in the right rev range.
Not the fastest thing on the planet, but should still achieve 0 to 60 in around 7.5 seconds, even though its a heavy old bus.
Like I said, I stepped on the gas, then a delay, then it went. Anybody here has driven a Merc W124 or any Merc of that era? This is the best comparison I can make. ;)
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As for the steering the omega has a steering box (is this correct english?), while the astra h has rack and pinion steering. The omega is much vaguer on the steering than a modern Opel. But this is what you are used to. I only drive omega, monza and their likes and when i on rare occasions drive somebodys modern car i dont like the super exact steering. I find myself clinching on to the steering wheel for dear life as every little motion makes the car change directions. When im back in the omega the steering is much more relaxed/comfortable. Its all about how you are used to the car reacting.
Aha, then this might very well be it. What you and YZ250 are saying plus the defective steering pump made up for this strange feel.
Yes, I'm used to driving cars that go where I point the steering wheel.
But the Astra G is as old the the FL Omega. Not really more modern. But I guess the FL must have kept the same steering from the 1993, which in turn seems to be just like the Carlton's? Hopefully Lotus worked on that for the Lotus Carlton. ;D
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A 3.0 Manual with a decent looked after engine shouldn,t be sluglish, should fly, especially if your changing gears in the right rev range.
Not the fastest thing on the planet, but should still achieve 0 to 60 in around 7.5 seconds, even though its a heavy old bus.
Like I said, I stepped on the gas, then a delay, then it went. Anybody here has driven a Merc W124 or any Merc of that era? This is the best comparison I can make. ;)
Have spent a bit of time driving 200TE, E220 and 300E, all auto... the 3.0/3.2 Omega is quicker than the 300E, but apart from being a straight six and therefore smoother, both the 4 cylinder cars went well enough. The 300E clearly comes into its own as the speed rises, top end isn't too far behind the Omega though.
The steering will feel similar to the W124 as it's also a steering box.
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A 3.0 Manual with a decent looked after engine shouldn,t be sluglish, should fly, especially if your changing gears in the right rev range.
Not the fastest thing on the planet, but should still achieve 0 to 60 in around 7.5 seconds, even though its a heavy old bus.
Like I said, I stepped on the gas, then a delay, then it went. Anybody here has driven a Merc W124 or any Merc of that era? This is the best comparison I can make. ;)
Have spent a bit of time driving 200TE, E220 and 300E, all auto... the 3.0/3.2 Omega is quicker than the 300E, but apart from being a straight six and therefore smoother, both the 4 cylinder cars went well enough. The 300E clearly comes into its own as the speed rises, top end isn't too far behind the Omega though.
The steering will feel similar to the W124 as it's also a steering box.
Ok. So you understand what I mean when I say the gas pedal feels like it has a big piece of wood bolted to it? All Mercs of that era have that feeling. This Omega reminded me of that.
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Not something I have felt driving Omegas :-\
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A 3.0 Manual with a decent looked after engine shouldn,t be sluglish, should fly, especially if your changing gears in the right rev range.
Not the fastest thing on the planet, but should still achieve 0 to 60 in around 7.5 seconds, even though its a heavy old bus.
Like I said, I stepped on the gas, then a delay, then it went. Anybody here has driven a Merc W124 or any Merc of that era? This is the best comparison I can make. ;)
To be honest Im really not interested what a Merc W124 drives like, but short of repeating myself (again, with replies to your posts), a 3.0 Manual thats on form should not feel sluggish, could be Multi Ram failure, but you would get around that by driving in the right Rev Range, could also be poor Cambelt change, etc, etc, or number of things including the engine is shagged, who knows, best thing to do is pass on that one or put it on hold and test another as Al says.
A good 3.0 manual driven like its stolen, should put a smile on your face.
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A 3.0 Manual with a decent looked after engine shouldn,t be sluglish, should fly, especially if your changing gears in the right rev range.
Not the fastest thing on the planet, but should still achieve 0 to 60 in around 7.5 seconds, even though its a heavy old bus.
Like I said, I stepped on the gas, then a delay, then it went. Anybody here has driven a Merc W124 or any Merc of that era? This is the best comparison I can make. ;)
To be honest Im really not interested what a Merc W124 drives like, but short of repeating myself (again, with replies to your posts), a 3.0 Manual thats on form should not feel sluggish, could be Multi Ram failure, but you would get around that by driving in the right Rev Range, could also be poor Cambelt change, etc, etc, or number of things including the engine is shagged, who knows, best thing to do is pass on that one or put it on hold and test another as Al says.
A good 3.0 manual driven like its stolen, should put a smile on your face.
Sorry. I didn't mean to doubt you. The Merc was just a good example of how the gas pedal felt. But the car itself was not slow. I stepped on it on the motorway and when I realized I was already at 160km/h. So it goes ok. It's just the reaction to the pedal which is peculiar. But it is not slow. And I didn't drive it anywhere near as if it was stolen. It's not my car and the owner was with me.
Yes, I'm driving 2 different ones today.
And I told the guy selling the 3.0 manual of my concerns and he said he needs to get rid of it so I'm free to make him an offer. He has 3 at the moment. This one plus a estate and he just got another estate because he wanted an automatic. So he wants to get rid of the manual.
So I'm tempted to give it another look after I have driven the other two, so I can have some reference. If he accepts me spending some good time with it to give it a good look over. He already said it's ok for me to take it to a garage to look at what will need to be done for MOT, which is due next month. If all is ok and checks out and he accepts an offer which makes up for the damage door, cracked widnscreen etc. And he puts in the new steering pump he has, I may risk and buy it.
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double post.
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As Zirk says,if the car's properly sorted it will put a smile on your face when given the beans, but personally I wouldn't allow any one with only third party insurance to take any of my cars 30mph over the legal speed limit wether or not I was desperate to unload the car or not.Why would you want to rag a 15 +year old car with a dubious service history? Myself and some of the other members can confirm that both the 3.0 /3.2 are very capable of pulling hard right up to 140+mph and a bit more BUT personally I wouldn't want to go there anymore regardless of the amount of parts and money invested.Question is are you going to drive the car as you say''like you stole it'' and if that's the case,then your Omega ownership will be short and pretty expensive, and if it's not maintained correctly then it will not be a trouble free experience.My apologies for pissing on the parade,but this is one of the main reasons leading to the demise of the Omega.....you may possibly well be a confident mechanic and having an Omega won't be too much of a challenge,but if not...then you will possibly need the services/advice and skills of the guys on this forum,many new owners have been here and many have never been heard of again.Sort of an Omega Bermuda Triangle :o so just be careful what you wish for :-X
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Nitro - think the OP was in km/h rather than mph. I agree wholeheartedly with the post though! :y
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160 kph is 99.5 mph near as,got me worried for a mo :o :)
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Get a good one & they are a comfortable cruiser had my old 2.6 up to 125 MPH in Germany with ease but would not drive that fast in the normal way . Good luck with your search.😉
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As Zirk says,if the car's properly sorted it will put a smile on your face when given the beans, but personally I wouldn't allow any one with only third party insurance to take any of my cars 30mph over the legal speed limit wether or not I was desperate to unload the car or not.Why would you want to rag a 15 +year old car with a dubious service history? Myself and some of the other members can confirm that both the 3.0 /3.2 are very capable of pulling hard right up to 140+mph and a bit more BUT personally I wouldn't want to go there anymore regardless of the amount of parts and money invested.Question is are you going to drive the car as you say''like you stole it'' and if that's the case,then your Omega ownership will be short and pretty expensive, and if it's not maintained correctly then it will not be a trouble free experience.My apologies for pissing on the parade,but this is one of the main reasons leading to the demise of the Omega.....you may possibly well be a confident mechanic and having an Omega won't be too much of a challenge,but if not...then you will possibly need the services/advice and skills of the guys on this forum,many new owners have been here and many have never been heard of again.Sort of an Omega Bermuda Triangle :o so just be careful what you wish for :-X
I think you are a bit confused. I was not the one who mentioned driving it like it's stolen. Zirk said that the car responds well to that type of driving in terms of performance. That's all. But he didn't seem to be advocating that type of driving either. It was just in response to me saying the car felt delayed in performance. What I said in response to him then was that I DIDN'T test drive the car driving it like I stole it because it is not my car. So I didn't do that. Nope. I also didn't say this is the type of driving I want to be doing. :)
Also as GastronomicKleptomaniac pointed out and you already found out, I was talking about 160km/h, like I wrote it and not 160mp/h. ;)
So I think there is some confusion on your part. But thanks for the advice. I agree with you that buying an Omega to drive at the limit all the time is a foolish thing if you want the car to last. I will indeed have the sporadic fun here and there. But will not drive my car like I stole it. :y
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A little update:
Today I drove 2 other Omegas.
1998 2.5 diesel with the BMW engine, automatic. This car drove surprisingly good. It looks a bit rough. But didn't skip a bit. Response to the pedal was not bad for the engine and being an automatic. The steering DEFINITELY didn't feel like the 3.0 manual. Yes, it drives more like a Cadillac or older Mercedes. But it is not bad. It's nice to drive. Drives like a barge, as it should I guess. So I really think the defective power steering pump in the 3.0 manual was messing the driving experience up. That or that car has some steering or front suspension related problem. This 2.5 diesel definitely felt better in the steering. The throttle response is hard to judge. Maybe when I drove the 3.0 manual I was expecting too much and now that I have had my expectations readjusted I'm looking at the 2.5 diesel response differently I don't know. I would need to drive the 3.0 manual again to be certain and compare.
2001 2.0 diesel manual. This car is very nice. It has about 100,000km on the clock only. Looks and drives VERY nice. Just got a new MOT too. But it's weak. The 2.0 engine is just too weak for the size. You can floor it and it won't really do much. The steering felt very good. I have no problems with it the way it is. I don't need Lotus Elise precision and quickness in steering. This is good enough for a car such as the Omega. Again, the 3.0 manual was really not representative of the way the Omega steers compared to this car. This cars was really nice, comfortable and smooth to drive and if it was a 2.5 V6 petro I would probably buy it on the spot. Everything works, no rust, not even scratches.
So I'm starting to build a reference point about Omegas. One thing is for sure. Driving them makes me sure I want one. :y
It's a lot of car for the money. A LOT! :)
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160 KPH= 100 MPH!! your words not mine!!
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160 KPH= 100 MPH!! your words not mine!!
Exactly. It was 160kph. Not 160mph. So it was 100mph. This is not very fast or busted the speed limit. ;)
And I was only there for like a few moments. Then I backed up.
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Certainly would not purchase a 2.0 model no matter how good it was ,had a 2.2 which seemed underpowered has to be a V6 petrol in my opinion.
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Only just seen this thread.
STEMO's omega buying guide: Don't.
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Now you have an idea about how an Omega should feel on the road, try various petrol ones, especially as that's what you're considering... TD power delivery is very different.
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Now you have an idea about how an Omega should feel on the road, try various petrol ones, especially as that's what you're considering... TD power delivery is very different.
I which way? Could you elaborate? :)
These were the only ones locally currently within a few minutes drive. But I have my eye open and will try more.
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What's to elaborate?
Diesels only rev to around 4.5-5k and have forced induction, petrols don't and rev much higher.
Simples.
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What's to elaborate?
Diesels only rev to around 4.5-5k and have forced induction, petrols don't and rev much higher.
Simples.
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V6 or diesel ! A simple choice 😂😂😂
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Take Stemo's advice :P
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Take Stemo's advice :P
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Yes agree don't think you will find a good one now.Too old & most are ready to scrap or will have been ragged by inconsiderate owners , get a eurobox.
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Certainly would not purchase a 2.0 model no matter how good it was ,had a 2.2 which seemed underpowered has to be a V6 petrol in my opinion.
I agree here. It needs to be a 6 cylinder at least. But I think if this car had the BMW straight-6 diesel I might have been inclined to buy it. It was really basically new, when you consider it's 15 years old!
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What's to elaborate?
Diesels only rev to around 4.5-5k and have forced induction, petrols don't and rev much higher.
Simples.
Oh this is what you mean. I was just wondering if you were referring to something specific, like the petros having a wired throttle but the diesel being electronic from much earlier or some other difference.
As for forced induction, I didn't know the BMW straight 6 was a turbo too. To be honest I never looked much at the diesel specs because I don't want a diesel. I did open the bonnet of the car yesterday before I drove but it's so crowed in there I didn't really see the turbo. The straight 6 really fills up the bay. With the V6 you seem to have plenty of room to work. People who drop a V8 in an Omega are very brave.
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LOL! Sorry guys. Even though I think you are all being sarcastic, I won't take the advice. I want an Omega. The basically new 2.0 from yesterday tells me there are still great examples to be had out there. Besides by what I gathered if you get a car with no rust, the rest you can bring up to new spec again with not much work, right?
Omega it is! :y
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The 2.5TD diesel is underpowered and will eat gearboxes in about 160,000km. Chip it to make the engine usable, gearbox will last 1000km. Stronger gearbox from a 3.0/3.2 can be fitted.
Additionally, as you are in Euro land, you have access to the 2.5DTi with the 24v diesel lump and 5 speed auto, that wasn't offered in the U.K. If you want a diesel, that's the one. Far better than the 12v 2.5TD
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Thanks. Good info.
I have no real intention of buying a diesel. It was only this 2.0 because it is in extremely good condition. So if it was at least a 6 cylinders diesel I would be tempted. It really was in fantastic condition.
But I'm looking for a 6 cylinders petro. :y
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What's to elaborate?
Diesels only rev to around 4.5-5k and have forced induction, petrols don't and rev much higher.
Simples.
Oh this is what you mean. I was just wondering if you were referring to something specific, like the petros having a wired throttle but the diesel being electronic from much earlier or some other difference.
As for forced induction, I didn't know the BMW straight 6 was a turbo too. To be honest I never looked much at the diesel specs because I don't want a diesel. I did open the bonnet of the car yesterday before I drove but it's so crowed in there I didn't really see the turbo. The straight 6 really fills up the bay. With the V6 you seem to have plenty of room to work. People who drop a V8 in an Omega are very brave.
Why dont you add a V8 Omega to your Wish List / Modification List, you seem to have most of the other Models covered so far.
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Maybe you will make your mind up next year, people have given you advice based on years of expertise and knowledge, yet you still keep faffing about, you are looking to by a 13 yes 13 year old barge, if you want better by a Mercedes.
Now make a decision, and get on with it.
While your looking why not get one with an lsd.
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What's to elaborate?
Diesels only rev to around 4.5-5k and have forced induction, petrols don't and rev much higher.
Simples.
Oh this is what you mean. I was just wondering if you were referring to something specific, like the petros having a wired throttle but the diesel being electronic from much earlier or some other difference.
As for forced induction, I didn't know the BMW straight 6 was a turbo too. To be honest I never looked much at the diesel specs because I don't want a diesel. I did open the bonnet of the car yesterday before I drove but it's so crowed in there I didn't really see the turbo. The straight 6 really fills up the bay. With the V6 you seem to have plenty of room to work. People who drop a V8 in an Omega are very brave.
Why dont you add a V8 Omega to your Wish List / Modification List, you seem to have most of the other Models covered so far.
Sorry. I don't understand your post. Where did I say I want a V8 Omega? To be honest I think a V8 is too much for it. If it was longer and wider like the Commodores then yes. But I would rather have a more powerful V6 instead. So I don't know what you mean.
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Maybe you will make your mind up next year, people have given you advice based on years of expertise and knowledge, yet you still keep faffing about, you are looking to by a 13 yes 13 year old barge, if you want better by a Mercedes.
Now make a decision, and get on with it.
While your looking why not get one with an lsd.
Who is flapping about? I want a 3.0 V6 manual. Just because I'm driving others doesn't mean I will buy it. I made up my mind a while ago. I know exactly where I want to end up. A 3.0 V6 Omega saloon. Not an Estate. Not a 3.2 manual, not any automatic. Not any diesel. A 3.0 V6 petro with a manual gearbox. ;)
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Maybe you will make your mind up next year, people have given you advice based on years of expertise and knowledge, yet you still keep faffing about, you are looking to by a 13 yes 13 year old barge, if you want better by a Mercedes.
Now make a decision, and get on with it.
While your looking why not get one with an lsd.
Who is flapping about? I want a 3.0 v6 manual . Just because I'm driving others doesn't mean I will buy it. I made up my mind a while ago. I know exactly where I want to end up. A 3.0 V6 Omega saloon. Not an Estate. Not a 3.2 manual, not any automatic. Not any diesel. A 3.0 V6 petro with a manual gearbox. ;)
Then go and get one, and stop going on about 2.0L, and diesel. You know what you want, but its taken 4 pages to get there.
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Maybe you will make your mind up next year, people have given you advice based on years of expertise and knowledge, yet you still keep faffing about, you are looking to by a 13 yes 13 year old barge, if you want better by a Mercedes.
Now make a decision, and get on with it.
While your looking why not get one with an lsd.
Who is flapping about? I want a 3.0 V6 manual. Just because I'm driving others doesn't mean I will buy it. I made up my mind a while ago. I know exactly where I want to end up. A 3.0 V6 Omega saloon. Not an Estate. Not a 3.2 manual, not any automatic. Not any diesel. A 3.0 V6 petro with a manual gearbox. ;)
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Is this bloke for real ? 😂😂😂😂 I thought it was only women who had difficulty making decisions😉😉
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Maybe you will make your mind up next year, people have given you advice based on years of expertise and knowledge, yet you still keep faffing about, you are looking to by a 13 yes 13 year old barge, if you want better by a Mercedes.
Now make a decision, and get on with it.
While your looking why not get one with an lsd.
No point in getting a 3.0 Manual with LSD, unless of course, you get one with the R34 6 Speed Manual Box, not sure if they did them in Euroland though.
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Maybe you will make your mind up next year, people have given you advice based on years of expertise and knowledge, yet you still keep faffing about, you are looking to by a 13 yes 13 year old barge, if you want better by a Mercedes.
Now make a decision, and get on with it.
While your looking why not get one with an lsd.
No point in getting a 3.0 Manual with LSD, unless of course, you get one with the R34 6 Speed Manual Box, not sure if they did them in Euroland though.
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I expect he will tell us , could take a while though
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Maybe you will make your mind up next year, people have given you advice based on years of expertise and knowledge, yet you still keep faffing about, you are looking to by a 13 yes 13 year old barge, if you want better by a Mercedes.
Now make a decision, and get on with it.
While your looking why not get one with an lsd.
Who is flapping about? I want a 3.0 v6 manual . Just because I'm driving others doesn't mean I will buy it. I made up my mind a while ago. I know exactly where I want to end up. A 3.0 V6 Omega saloon. Not an Estate. Not a 3.2 manual, not any automatic. Not any diesel. A 3.0 V6 petro with a manual gearbox. ;)
Then go and get one, and stop going on about 2.0L, and diesel. You know what you want, but its taken 10 threads to get there.
Fixed :D
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Take the tips and advice that have been offered and go find that shiny shed,BUT! if you are UK based ??? ??? then for goodness sake take some time and check the MOT history,shiny on the top and full of tin worm underneath. :o
I'm now baling out of this thread....permanently!! because it seems that my 15 years of Omega ownership/ pain and many thousands of pounds invested in that ownership count for nothing on this one. :-X
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Take the tips and advice that have been offered and go find that shiny shed,BUT! if you are UK based ??? ??? then for goodness sake take some time and check the MOT history,shiny on the top and full of tin worm underneath. :o
I'm now baling out of this thread....permanently!! because it seems that my 15 years of Omega ownership/ pain and many thousands of pounds invested in that ownership count for nothing on this one. :-X
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You really can't help some people , probably will never purchase one anyway talks a load of 'dangle berries' imho.
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....You really can't help some people , probably will never purchase one anyway talks a load of 'dangle berries' imho.
Agreed. Umpteen pages on half a dozen threads on a car that only exists in his head. As said before, I just wish he'd buy something!
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As I say,I'm out on this one,it's just been suggested to me that there may be a reason for all of this ambiguity, and that's it's someone looking for a drifter or just a wind up,but anyway like others on here ,we are getting weary and wary of this going round in circles scenario.My own personal opinion on this thread is that it is DONE! and perhaps the admins might consider putting this one out of its misery.....before we all toddle off to those two other FB Omega forums ;D Stick a fork in this one for all our sanity :-X
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I'm thinking is this someone say like Chris Gixer,pulling our Christmas puddings ??? ??? sorry if it's not you Chris,only this person is making out that they know very little about what they want and then drop a few nuggets of knowledge into the conversation that rouse the suspicion that some one is not who or what they say. ::) May be I'm just having a breakdown caused by umm now let me think :-X ::)
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LOL! ;D
I have read several times here that this forum is a place of piss taking. So I'm not sure whether this is the case here or not. I mean at least with Gollum I can tell when he is taking the piss. When he is not he has useful info to add.
Andy B I don't even bother replying to anymore. He only jumps in to stir the pot. ;D
But the only thing that makes sense here is you blokes are taking the piss. If that's the case, have at it. All for the fun. No problem. Maybe you have had a few by now. After all it's New Years. Happy New Year by the way! :y
If not piss taking then I have no idea. I start the thread asking for a buying guide because, well, I was just about to see and drive a 3.0 V6 manual. Then I was advised to drive as many Omegas as I can get my hands on to get a feeling for them, regardless of engine, which is good advice really. Then I do just that. And I post my experience with each. But people then start saying I don't know what I want. Because I'm trying different Omegas? LOL!
Are they thinking I'm now undecided between a 3.0 and 2.0 because I drove a 2.0? Is this the piss taking or the mushroom tea? ;D
You know, even piss taking has to make some kind of sense. At least pis taking aiming to be funny. :y
I mean, I have said long ago that what I want is a 3.0 V6 manual. This is what I want to end up with. Nah, never mind, you guys know it. You're just taking the piss right. You guys are alright. :y
P.S. Andy B, I just drove the car that only exists in my head a couple of days ago. And I'm about to drive another one Monday. :y
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P.S. Andy B, I just drove the car that only exists in my head a couple of days ago. And I'm about to drive another one Monday. :y
Buy the f**ker then & give us a break
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P.S. Andy B, I just drove the car that only exists in my head a couple of days ago. And I'm about to drive another one Monday. :y
Buy the f**ker then & give us a break
Since you didn't read the thread I will get you up to speed. There was something wrong with it. BUT, it does exist! ;D :y
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Love you Gixxer xxx ;D
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He's nowhere near annoyenough to be our dear, own Christopher. ;D
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How do you know this thread is full of blokes married for decades? Because everybody is actively posting on New Years eve. ;D
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How do you know this thread is full of blokes married for decades? Because everybody owns an omega. ;D
Fixed that for you.
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How do you know this thread is full of blokes married for decades? Because everybody owns an omega. ;D
Fixed that for you.
LOL, well played. ;D
Alright chaps. I'm about to slip into my tuxedo, jump in the Aston and cruise to the ball. I will see you tomorrow. Happy New Year everyone! :y
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Just seen on the bay an Omega with a V12 5.3 Jaguar engine shoehorned in, now that would be a good buy..
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STEMO's omega buying guide: Don't.
I do actually agree with that advice. As much as I like driving mine still, it is getting harder and harder to get replacement parts due to their age and dealers no longer being obliged to stock spares. I've owned mine from when it was just a few months old, I've always done the work on it myself and took pride that it was always clean, shiny and well looked after. As a late (Dec ) 52 plate it should have faired as well as any due to the constant cleaning and I was somewhat surprised to hear of others with wheel arch rust as mine was unblemished. Until recently that is. :'(
Time has caught up with the old girl sadly, the tailgate has the rust blemish under the wiper, my once unblemished wheel arches are now showing signs of rust and the paint is lifting under the lip. The front longitudinal (chassis rails) are drying out and during the MOT in December it was pointed out that the sills have just started to show signs of corrosion. :'(
This is on a car that has been cherished, so neglected models will be far worse. The saving grace, and the reason that I still have mine, is that the engine runs like a little bird, sweet as a nut. There are no odd noises, no squeaks or rattles and it glides along effortlessly. It also delivers when you put your foot down. ;) These are the main reasons why I have kept it for so long, that and the fact that it cost peanuts to run in the outlay department. :y
But, even I must admit that they are getting tired and they can't go on forever. To buy one this late in the game would certainly not appeal to me. My biggest problem is what the hell do I replace it with so I will just keep running mine until it's no longer viable or safe to do so.
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Go balls out....VXR8 is the one for you,and make sure it's blown,guaranteed to focus your attention when driving it,have had a couple of attention getters on the damp roads recently :o ;D
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STEMO's omega buying guide: Don't.
I do actually agree with that advice. As much as I like driving mine still, it is getting harder and harder to get replacement parts due to their age and dealers no longer being obliged to stock spares. I've owned mine from when it was just a few months old, I've always done the work on it myself and took pride that it was always clean, shiny and well looked after. As a late (Dec ) 52 plate it should have faired as well as any due to the constant cleaning and I was somewhat surprised to hear of others with wheel arch rust as mine was unblemished. Until recently that is. :'(
Time has caught up with the old girl sadly, the tailgate has the rust blemish under the wiper, my once unblemished wheel arches are now showing signs of rust and the paint is lifting under the lip. The front longitudinal (chassis rails) are drying out and during the MOT in December it was pointed out that the sills have just started to show signs of corrosion. :'(
This is on a car that has been cherished, so neglected models will be far worse. The saving grace, and the reason that I still have mine, is that the engine runs like a little bird, sweet as a nut. There are no odd noises, no squeaks or rattles and it glides along effortlessly. It also delivers when you put your foot down. ;) These are the main reasons why I have kept it for so long, that and the fact that it cost peanuts to run in the outlay department. :y
But, even I must admit that they are getting tired and they can't go on forever. To buy one this late in the game would certainly not appeal to me. My biggest problem is what the hell do I replace it with so I will just keep running mine until it's no longer viable or safe to do so.
I must say this type of thing doesn't faze me. I have a lot of friends from the classic car scene here. Some of them run old classics as daily drivers. Old 1970's Fords for example. Nothing which is not out of Italy or France from the 1970's rusts more than 70's Fords. Yet, they don't even break a sweet to get a MOT and have no rust. It's all about maintenance or rather pro-activeness.
If you drive your car in winter in countries that use salt and just park it and do nothing, of course it will rust. Anything will. Either you must be more active in protecting your car or you need to get a winter car you don't care about. When I find a rust free, well sorted Omega I will probably do both. Will not drive it in the 3 months of high winter and will take steps to protect it anyhow. A simple Mike Sanders treatment goes already a long way in preventing the tin worm. There are all sorts of things you can do to help if you absolutely need to drive it during high winter.
So this doesn't faze me. Even brand new cars will rot if just let to it. I was a lot more afraid before I got involved with classic cars. If a 40 or 50 years old car can be used as a daily and get a MOT without problems, so can a 2000's car. ;)
The thing is to start with a rust free one. Keeping it that way is easier than fighting it once it has already started. My plans once I get my car is to buy a couple of front wings, rear quarters and also a full set of spare doors from the latest Omega I can get my hands on. Probably a boot lid too. Then store it for the event I fail to stop the tin worm. If I do end up having to exchange a body panel because of rust, I will probably have the part stripped, galvanized and repainted before installing it, just to make sure it will last. All the while being extremely active in preventing the rust. Actually I will start stashing several parts away. Body panels and also mechanical.
My goal is to find the best Omega 3.0 manual I can and keep it for life. :y Or at least until or if the auto industry comes to it's sense again and start selling plenty of options of large 4 doors saloons with manual gearboxes, RWD and larger petro engines again. Yeah, I know, fat chance! LOL. ;D
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Like a BMW, you mean?
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I believe the OP was recommended to drive a few Omegas to get a feel for whats normal, so could do with maybe a little less hostility IMHO. I certainly drove a few before buying my first one.
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I believe the OP was recommended to drive a few Omegas to get a feel for whats normal, so could do with maybe a little less hostility IMHO. I certainly drove a few before buying my first one.
That was certainly the thought process behind the suggestion ;) driving a 2.0 dti wasn't ;D but that said the chassis is the same, so the handling of the car would be similar, even if the power delivery isn't ::)
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I believe the OP was recommended to drive a few Omegas to get a feel for whats normal, so could do with maybe a little less hostility IMHO. I certainly drove a few before buying my first one.
That was certainly the thought process behind the suggestion ;) driving a 2.0 dti wasn't ;D but that said the chassis is the same, so the handling of the car would be similar, even if the power delivery isn't ::)
I guess its what was available nearby.
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Like a BMW, you mean?
Even E39s are heading the same way and they're much better made :'( mine has a couple of scrapes on the rear arches, but is rust free... which is a shame, as it has no history and apart from an oil leak and hideous cloth interior, it is a nice car. Looking for an estate one and they're either stupid money or rotten...
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I believe the OP was recommended to drive a few Omegas to get a feel for whats normal, so could do with maybe a little less hostility IMHO. I certainly drove a few before buying my first one.
That was certainly the thought process behind the suggestion ;) driving a 2.0 dti wasn't ;D but that said the chassis is the same, so the handling of the car would be similar, even if the power delivery isn't ::)
I guess its what was available nearby.
Probably. Thinking it through, if the dti was that nice, I wonder if it wouldn't be a good choice... as apparently performance isn't the primary requirement iirc
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I must say this type of thing doesn't faze me. I have a lot of friends from the classic car scene here........
Fair do's. :y
At least you have an idea of the places on the bodywork to check for bad points now. A tidy example is still a nice car to float about in. I have a relative that has an extremely tidy FL Omega 2.2 saloon. He goes out in it, comes home, wipes it down and puts it back in his garage. As he uses his van most of the time his Omega sees very little use. I suppose it goes to show that they are out there. :y
Good luck with the search. :y
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I believe the OP was recommended to drive a few Omegas to get a feel for whats normal, so could do with maybe a little less hostility IMHO. I certainly drove a few before buying my first one.
Thanks. Appreciated.
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I believe the OP was recommended to drive a few Omegas to get a feel for whats normal, so could do with maybe a little less hostility IMHO. I certainly drove a few before buying my first one.
That was certainly the thought process behind the suggestion ;) driving a 2.0 dti wasn't ;D but that said the chassis is the same, so the handling of the car would be similar, even if the power delivery isn't ::)
Make up your mind mate. :)
You said regardless of engine. Not regardless of engine minus a 2.0 dti. ;D
Pulls ok as in makes a 1.6 Golf feel slow, or opps me, for a two tonne car this shifts?
If the former, then either the multirams aren't working or it's broken, and if the latter then that's fine...
I suspect from your tone, that it's the first one :-\ should rev cleanly to nearly 6K rpm, and should pull like a train through the gears and pull from about 30 kph in top. If it doesn't then any number of things could be wrong with it.
Try as many Omegas as are conveniently local regardless of engine, gearbox age and mileage and you'll get a good grip of the mechanical health... The sorted cars, even 2.2 autos, will stand out from the dogs.
Once you have found a car that fits your instinct, buy it ;)
Obviously allow for all of my earlier post and allow a good margin for subjectivity...
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Like a BMW, you mean?
Sure. And Jaguars and the Alfa Giulia. I guess that kind of covers it. Hence why I said plenty of options. ;)
Alfa Giulia is not really large. More like a BMW 3 and will take a good while till it becomes affordable.
Jaguars XF are becoming affordable. But finding an used one with a manual is not easy. Buying new is no problem as you can order a stick. But again, not affordable for now.
So this leaves BMW. Not plenty at all. ;D
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I must say this type of thing doesn't faze me. I have a lot of friends from the classic car scene here........
Fair do's. :y
At least you have an idea of the places on the bodywork to check for bad points now. A tidy example is still a nice car to float about in. I have a relative that has an extremely tidy FL Omega 2.2 saloon. He goes out in it, comes home, wipes it down and puts it back in his garage. As he uses his van most of the time his Omega sees very little use. I suppose it goes to show that they are out there. :y
Good luck with the search. :y
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Hi
I think all Omega problems are described in epic wide somewhere...maybe someone is missing to put all informations together.
But is that really needed?
I bought two Omegas blind via ebay. 300€ for the 98 saloon and 400€ for the 97 estate. The calculation is easy. Do not pay more than some spares are worth. No risk. But you should be able to use a MIG welder, technical problems are peanuts.
Both Omegas are still running with new MOT. The Saloon is sleeping over Winter, the Sedan is doing the winter job. In April I will change.
In springtime I will do some work on Sedan s rear arch right side, left side I did last year, maybe some cosmetics and ready for the next two years...
The Saloon is perfect in body, suspension, brakes, interior and exterior. Engine has a little oil leak (crank seal front) and some noise from the hydros when cold. Peanuts. Will fix it before April.
Happy New Year!
Rolf
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Hi
I think all Omega problems are described in epic wide somewhere...maybe someone is missing to put all informations together.
But is that really needed?
I bought two Omegas blind via ebay. 300€ for the 98 saloon and 400€ for the 97 estate. The calculation is easy. Do not pay more than some spares are worth. No risk. But you should be able to use a MIG welder, technical problems are peanuts.
Both Omegas are still running with new MOT. The Saloon is sleeping over Winter, the Sedan is doing the winter job. In April I will change.
In springtime I will do some work on Sedan s rear arch right side, left side I did last year, maybe some cosmetics and ready for the next two years...
The Saloon is perfect in body, suspension, brakes, interior and exterior. Engine has a little oil leak (crank seal front) and some noise from the hydros when cold. Peanuts. Will fix it before April.
Happy New Year!
Rolf
Sure. But cheap ones are normally the run down ones. :)
By the way Rolf, a saloon and a sedan are the same thing. Saloon in the UK, sedan in the U.S. Maybe you mean a saloon and an estate (Kombi)? ;)
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Hi anV6
Of course, my mistake, of course Estate....
But cheap ones with 200K up to 250K are not worn out. Give them a proper service, specially front suspension, you will find to drive a new car.
But no one does it. Omegas mainly are in "last hand". A front wheel suspension revision by the Opel dealer will cost much more than the car is worth.
I did it. Spares are cheap and learning how to do is easy.
Of course, Omega enthusiasts are always forced to be fit working with a MIG welder.
Rolf
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Given as how you poopooed my original diesel suggestion as your steadfast determination to have a petrol V6, I didn't feel the need to elaborate...
Clearly I was wrong.
There's a growing concensus that you're nowt but a wind up merchant... expect to be treated as such.
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Hi anV6
Of course, my mistake, of course Estate....
But cheap ones with 200K up to 250K are not worn out. Give them a proper service, specially front suspension, you will find to drive a new car.
But no one does it. Omegas mainly are in "last hand". A front wheel suspension revision by the Opel dealer will cost much more than the car is worth.
I did it. Spares are cheap and learning how to do is easy.
Of course, Omega enthusiasts are always forced to be fit working with a MIG welder.
Rolf
I see what you mean. I agree. I also get the impression, even in this forum, that Omegas are treated as disposable somehow. Definitely looks that way looking at my local classifieds. Pity.
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Given as how you poopooed my original diesel suggestion as your steadfast determination to have a petrol V6, I didn't feel the need to elaborate...
Clearly I was wrong.
There's a growing concensus that you're nowt but a wind up merchant... expect to be treated as such.
Like you said, the chassis is the same, so the handling of the car would be similar. Therefore there is still value in it if I can't get petros near by to test.
As for the "consensus", I couldn't care less. I don't need to expect to be treated as such, because I already am treated that way. Yet, I am still here. My skin is tougher than that. Never cared for nay sayers and haters. I filter the good stuff from people who want to help. Ignore the rest.
And I tell you flat out. The consensus is wrong.
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Personally I won't comment again on any issue that this "member" raises ,it goes against what I would normally do but he/she is taking the proverbial to the limit.
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Cheer up Tilbo mate,we still have the V8's to fall back on,unless....some one starts a thread on the virtues and downfalls of said engined vehicles ::) ;) bugger it I'm going out and start mine up and P the neighbours off,as I owe them for those bloody midnight fireworks the other night! ;D ;D ;D
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Cheer up Tilbo mate,we still have the V8's to fall back on,unless....some one starts a thread on the virtues and downfalls of said engined vehicles ::) ;) bugger it I'm going out and start mine up and P the neighbours off,as I owe them for those bloody midnight fireworks the other night! ;D ;D ;D
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Hi, Nitro,
Yes always love driving the V8 although this weather just like looking at it gleaming in the garage. Also meant to say love the LAS site you told me about on FB have found a few names from the past. 😉
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Found another car.
The good:
-It's a manual.
-Looks really good.
-Right colour
-Right interior,
-Mileage is OK as it's bellow 10.000 Km per year.
-Supposedly no rust. It's a summer car only. Was never driven in winter.
-Has a MOT till autumn.
-The car looks to be really well kept.
The not so good:
-It's a PFL, not a MFL.
-Price is 500 more than the other 3.0 manual which was a FL. Although this one looks MUCH better.
-It has a tow bar/hitch. I remember reading something about Omegas with those. Is this worrisome?
-Seller has said the cambelt is due this year. It was done last time 20.000 km ago. But that was 4 years ago. I guess this is the biggest minus going for it. And he already said the price is firm.
I haven't driven it yet as it's over a hour away. What do you chaps reckon?
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I reckon you go and buy it and drive it >:(
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What happened to Nitro
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What happened to Nitro
He was driven to suicide (metaphorically speaking) by dealing with insufferable fools.
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After reading through this lot im not surprised
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he is dougnutting outside his house as we speak....it happens to ex LAS staff(tilbo you ok at the mo lol) after a while as you deal with idiots day in day out you leave then you meet one on line
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I reckon you go and buy it and drive it >:(
Around this parts I have to ask. You mean because it sounds like a good buy or..."piss taking"?
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I reckon you go and buy it and drive it >:(
Around this parts I have to ask. You mean because it sounds like a good buy or..."piss taking"?
If you buy it it might stop this infernal drivel
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I reckon you go and buy it and drive it >:(
Around this parts I have to ask. You mean because it sounds like a good buy or..."piss taking"?
If you buy it it might stop this infernal drivel
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The drivel would stop if only people would stay away from the reply button. But, if you want to perpetuate the thread, reply away........
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The drivel would stop if only people would stay away from the reply button. But, if you want to perpetuate the thread, reply away........
you replied too :y
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The drivel would stop if only people would stay away from the reply button. But, if you want to perpetuate the thread, reply away........
you replied too :y
and so did you....oh hang on.... so did I lol :y
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The drivel would stop if only people would stay away from the reply button. But, if you want to perpetuate the thread, reply away........
you replied too :y
No I didn't. Telling people not to reply is not the same as replying!
Shit! I did it again.
Call me Britney and shag me senseless. ;D
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The drivel would stop if only people would stay away from the reply button. But, if you want to perpetuate the thread, reply away........
you replied too :y
No I didn't. Telling people not to reply is not the same as replying!
Shit! I did it again.
Call me Britney and shag me senseless. ;D
no thanks if it all the same
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Found another car.
The good:
-It's a manual.
-Looks really good.
-Right colour
-Right interior,
-Mileage is OK as it's bellow 10.000 Km per year.
-Supposedly no rust. It's a summer car only. Was never driven in winter.
-Has a MOT till autumn.
-The car looks to be really well kept.
The not so good:
-It's a PFL, not a MFL.
-Price is 500 more than the other 3.0 manual which was a FL. Although this one looks MUCH better.
-It has a tow bar/hitch. I remember reading something about Omegas with those. Is this worrisome?
-Seller has said the cambelt is due this year. It was done last time 20.000 km ago. But that was 4 years ago. I guess this is the biggest minus going for it. And he already said the price is firm.
I haven't driven it yet as it's over a hour away. What do you chaps reckon?
If there isn`t any rust and it has been well looked after then it should be a good buy, personally I prefer the interior of the FL but it`s your call.
Plenty of Omega`s have been used for towing so I wouldn`t worry too much about it.
You will still need to budget for a geometry check and possible adjustment as well as the timing belt.
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Found another car.
The good:
-It's a manual.
-Looks really good.
-Right colour
-Right interior,
-Mileage is OK as it's bellow 10.000 Km per year.
-Supposedly no rust. It's a summer car only. Was never driven in winter.
-Has a MOT till autumn.
-The car looks to be really well kept.
The not so good:
-It's a PFL, not a MFL.
-Price is 500 more than the other 3.0 manual which was a FL. Although this one looks MUCH better.
-It has a tow bar/hitch. I remember reading something about Omegas with those. Is this worrisome?
-Seller has said the cambelt is due this year. It was done last time 20.000 km ago. But that was 4 years ago. I guess this is the biggest minus going for it. And he already said the price is firm.
I haven't driven it yet as it's over a hour away. What do you chaps reckon?
If there isn`t any rust and it has been well looked after then it should be a good buy, personally I prefer the interior of the FL but it`s your call.
Plenty of Omega`s have been used for towing so I wouldn`t worry too much about it.
You will still need to budget for a geometry check and possible adjustment as well as the timing belt.
And don't pay any more than €35 for it.
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Found another car.
The good:
-It's a manual.
-Looks really good.
-Right colour
-Right interior,
-Mileage is OK as it's bellow 10.000 Km per year.
-Supposedly no rust. It's a summer car only. Was never driven in winter.
-Has a MOT till autumn.
-The car looks to be really well kept.
The not so good:
-It's a PFL, not a MFL.
-Price is 500 more than the other 3.0 manual which was a FL. Although this one looks MUCH better.
-It has a tow bar/hitch. I remember reading something about Omegas with those. Is this worrisome?
-Seller has said the cambelt is due this year. It was done last time 20.000 km ago. But that was 4 years ago. I guess this is the biggest minus going for it. And he already said the price is firm.
I haven't driven it yet as it's over a hour away. What do you chaps reckon?
If there isn`t any rust and it has been well looked after then it should be a good buy, personally I prefer the interior of the FL but it`s your call.
Plenty of Omega`s have been used for towing so I wouldn`t worry too much about it.
You will still need to budget for a geometry check and possible adjustment as well as the timing belt.
Thanks. I asked about the towing because I have a vague recollection I read something along the lines of cars which have been used for towing should be avoided. But maybe I'm thinking of another car other than the Omega.
Yeah, the timing belt is due on it, which makes me uneasy about driving it back. It was changed 4 years ago. But I would also hate to have to tow it. Maybe finding a place near by where the car is to change the timing belt kit before driving it back is the best option.
But I think it looks really good in the pictures. So it seems worth it to drive up to take a look at it and test drive it.
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Found another car.
The good:
-It's a manual.
-Looks really good.
-Right colour
-Right interior,
-Mileage is OK as it's bellow 10.000 Km per year.
-Supposedly no rust. It's a summer car only. Was never driven in winter.
-Has a MOT till autumn.
-The car looks to be really well kept.
The not so good:
-It's a PFL, not a MFL.
-Price is 500 more than the other 3.0 manual which was a FL. Although this one looks MUCH better.
-It has a tow bar/hitch. I remember reading something about Omegas with those. Is this worrisome?
-Seller has said the cambelt is due this year. It was done last time 20.000 km ago. But that was 4 years ago. I guess this is the biggest minus going for it. And he already said the price is firm.
I haven't driven it yet as it's over a hour away. What do you chaps reckon?
If there isn`t any rust and it has been well looked after then it should be a good buy, personally I prefer the interior of the FL but it`s your call.
Plenty of Omega`s have been used for towing so I wouldn`t worry too much about it.
You will still need to budget for a geometry check and possible adjustment as well as the timing belt.
Thanks. I asked about the towing because I have a vague recollection I read something along the lines of cars which have been used for towing should be avoided. But maybe I'm thinking of another car other than the Omega.
Yeah, the timing belt is due on it, which makes me uneasy about driving it back. It was changed 4 years ago. But I would also hate to have to tow it. Maybe finding a place near by where the car is to change the timing belt kit before driving it back is the best option.
But I think it looks really good in the pictures. So it seems worth it to drive up to take a look at it and test drive it.
Post a link to the ad up then..Let us all see it
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No ad. This was a tip from somebody.
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No ad. This was a tip from somebody.
got a pic ?
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No ad. This was a tip from somebody.
Here's a tip:
Don't eat yellow snow.
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No ad. This was a tip from somebody.
Cloud cuckoo land daily don't allow links.
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So what happened to the MFL 3.0 Manual then ?
or is that another 8 pages in the future.
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So what happened to the MFL 3.0 Manual then ?
or is that another 8 pages in the future.
You mean the FL 3.0 manual I mentioned test driving in the beginning of the thread?
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So what happened to the MFL 3.0 Manual then ?
or is that another 8 pages in the future.
You mean the FL 3.0 manual I mentioned test driving in the beginning of the thread?
No, I mean as in "This is the car I wont 3.0 Manual MFL"
After all the threads youve posted relating as to which Omega would fit the bill for you, you decided what you want, now your wandering off track again.
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So what happened to the MFL 3.0 Manual then ?
or is that another 8 pages in the future.
You mean the FL 3.0 manual I mentioned test driving in the beginning of the thread?
No, I mean as in "This is the car I wont 3.0 Manual MFL"
After all the threads youve posted relating as to which Omega would fit the bill for you, you decided what you want, now your wandering off track again.
I see what you mean now. Well, that is definitely the goal. And if one pops up which is worth buying I will definitely do that and be a happy camper.
But as we all know, they are thin on the ground. So during the process, people like Gollum kind of steered me to see that being a little more flexible may yield good results too. That doesn't necessarily mean changing my goals. I'm definitely not changing my goals. So I'm not getting off track. Rather considering alternative paths to get to the same goal. My end goal is a 3.0 manual Omega.
But instead of only waiting till the perfect car pops up, some alternative ways such as getting a 2.5 V6 petro and later swapping in a 3.0 etc might be a valid way to get to my final goal.
Also, all this car testing and selecting process is learning material as well. It's all a positive experience.
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No ad. This was a tip from somebody.
got a pic ?
Pic lets have a look at it ...
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No ad. This was a tip from somebody.
Cloud cuckoo land daily don't allow links.
Pictures don't seem to exist either ::)
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This thread might catch the 0-60 thread,, were is young bear. ;D
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It's looking like I may actually end up buying this car. Pending on the test drive, which I have already scheduled. The only thing which bothers me about it being a PFL instead of a MFL is the safety stuff. Cosmetically it makes no difference to me. I was not really ever so concerned with that. Used not to even care if a car had an airbag. But I guess such concerns come with being a new father.
And I know that if I want the safest Omega I should buy a 2003 or better yet, just a newer car. But I have settled on an Omega for now and I haven't found a 2003 that fit.
I was talking to somebody about the safety differences between the MFL and PFL and he was suggesting it most likely can be easily retrofitted to a PFL, which I'm not really inclined to believe would be as easy. As I don't like to assume anything I thought I would ask.
The differences as far as I could gather are:
PFL MFL
* No side airbags * Side airbags
* Mechanical pre-tensioners * Pyrotechnic pre-tensioners
* Hollow headrests. * Solid headrests
* Less advanced ABS ECU * ABS Bosch 5.3 ABS
* Less advanced TC * 5.3 TC in the V6
* No adjustable steering column * Adjustable steering column
* Non clear headlight lens * Clear headlight lens
With the seats, I would think it's just a straight bolt on. If what you are worried about is the looks, which is not the point for me. The important to me are the side airbags, which would obviously involve a bit more than just exchanging the seats. But is it just a matter of finding a donor car and bolting all the parts on? Somehow I don't think so. But it's worth asking.
Same questions with the more advance ABS. Is it just the ECU/control box? Is is a feasible retrofit?
And is the MFL TC really that much better/safer?
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Ok, I'll bite...
Headrests are the only straight swap ;D
Rest will need a newer Omega, ideally early facelift non dbw manual V6. This is because you need the front door looms and airbag triggers; complete vehicle body loom; airbag ecu, airbag loom, seatbelt pretensioners with seat loom, side airbags with covers, seat back frame and loom (fitting complete seats is best way of tackling seats, but good luck getting the trim to match and you'll need rears and doorcards too); dashboard including passenger airbag, airbag mounting structure and loom; ABS ecu, pump and complete loom; dash loom and TC switch.
That's about it, but you'll be converting the interior to facelift in the process of rewiring it/swapping components...
In a nutshell buy that car and shut up, or buy a late facelift knowing that it's the 'safest' Omega. But we/I told you all this when you first asked (not that you've listened. Note, listening is different to hearing :-X).
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..... Note, listening is different to hearing :-X).
always different from ....... it just is ;) ;) ::) :-*
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Ok, I'll bite...
Headrests are the only straight swap ;D
Rest will need a newer Omega, ideally early facelift non dbw manual V6. This is because you need the front door looms and airbag triggers; complete vehicle body loom; airbag ecu, airbag loom, seatbelt pretensioners with seat loom, side airbags with covers, seat back frame and loom (fitting complete seats is best way of tackling seats, but good luck getting the trim to match and you'll need rears and doorcards too); dashboard including passenger airbag, airbag mounting structure and loom; ABS ecu, pump and complete loom; dash loom and TC switch.
That's about it, but you'll be converting the interior to facelift in the process of rewiring it/swapping components...
In a nutshell buy that car and shut up, or buy a late facelift knowing that it's the 'safest' Omega. But we/I told you all this when you first asked (not that you've listened. Note, listening is different to hearing :-X).
Thanks for trying to address it.
But honestly, why would you have to "bite"? It's a legit question. I know you take the piss at times and we have not always seen eye to eye. That's all fine. Because differently from the hecklers who I no longer acknowledge, you constantly contribute with useful information. So why spoil a perfectly good and useful reply? ???
But back to the issue at hand. :)
I was talking about retrofitting safety features from the MFL to the PFL. Not from the FL as I think that would be even farther removed from a PFL. So I'm a bit lost as for the reason I would need to convert the interior to FL and all the other things you mentioned.
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I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit :y
Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot ;)
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I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit :y
Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot ;)
Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible. :)
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..... Note, listening is different to hearing :-X).
always different from ....... it just is ;) ;) ::) :-*
The phrase most used on a recent holiday was :
"I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you"
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..... Note, listening is different to hearing :-X).
always different from ....... it just is ;) ;) ::) :-*
The phrase most used on a recent holiday was :
"I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you"
That do... and I'm oppsed if I am going to draw a picture...
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And I know that if I want the safest Omega I should buy a 2003 or better yet, just a newer car. But I have settled on an Omega for now and I haven't found a 2003 that fit.
This was the point I was addressing. I merely reiterated what I told you in your first thread.
If you like the earlier car, buy it.
If you want a safer car, buy that.
You can have both, but it takes imagination, cash and time, and I get the distinct impression that you're at least one short :-X
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I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit :y
Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot ;)
Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible. :)
I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse ;)
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I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit :y
Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot ;)
Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible. :)
I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse ;)
Never had a problem with TC on either 3.2 :-\
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O o o o. We might see the fable of the perfect car soon. I cant wait.
But as we know pictures are as rare as dif mounts ;D
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I'm with Gav on this one
With my PFl / 3ltr engine, you seemed to have a bit of spin which in some cases got you off the line quicker
With this manual box / 3.2 engine, the TC is very hard to manipulate on the throttle
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I'm with Gav on this one
With my PFl / 3ltr engine, you seemed to have a bit of spin which in some cases got you off the line quicker
With this manual box / 3.2 engine, the TC is very hard to manipulate on the throttle
You can turn it off ;D incidentally, I wonder if the software has slightly different thresholds for each box :-\ Clutch slip vs slushbox slip... never did that many miles in the auto 3.2 to get a proper feel, and the lsd in the plod worked a treat with TC only really being apparent in snow...
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I'm with Gav on this one
With my PFl / 3ltr engine, you seemed to have a bit of spin which in some cases got you off the line quicker
With this manual box / 3.2 engine, the TC is very hard to manipulate on the throttle
You can turn it off ;D incidentally, I wonder if the software has slightly different thresholds for each box :-\ Clutch slip vs slushbox slip... never did that many miles in the auto 3.2 to get a proper feel, and the lsd in the plod worked a treat with TC only really being apparent in snow...
Iirc, I had a conversation with Kev Wood a few years back about this so that's a distinct possibility Al ......
I've only ever had one slushbox and that went last year thank opps ;D ;D
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I'm with Gav on this one
With my PFl / 3ltr engine, you seemed to have a bit of spin which in some cases got you off the line quicker
With this manual box / 3.2 engine, the TC is very hard to manipulate on the throttle
I found it easier to feather the throttle, I wasn`t fond of headbutting the steering wheel when the TC kicked inI wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit :y
Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot ;)
Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible. :)
I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse ;)
Never had a problem with TC on either 3.2 :-\
Do they use the same software?
I found the 3.0l just felt like it had cut the fuel, then after what felt like seconds chimed back in again
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You can turn it off ;D incidentally, I wonder if the software has slightly different thresholds for each box :-\ Clutch slip vs slushbox slip... never did that many miles in the auto 3.2 to get a proper feel, and the lsd in the plod worked a treat with TC only really being apparent in snow...
I did :y
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I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit :y
Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot ;)
Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible. :)
I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse ;)
That bad uh. ;D
But that is speaking from a going around corners and moving fast point of view right. What about for example to get some traction on ice, snow etc? Is it at least useful for that? Regardless of PFL, MFL or FL.
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And I know that if I want the safest Omega I should buy a 2003 or better yet, just a newer car. But I have settled on an Omega for now and I haven't found a 2003 that fit.
This was the point I was addressing. I merely reiterated what I told you in your first thread.
If you like the earlier car, buy it.
If you want a safer car, buy that.
You can have both, but it takes imagination, cash and time, and I get the distinct impression that you're at least one short :-X
Sure Gollum. I already understood that. ;)
But I'm obviously interested in the ins and outs of having "both" like you say. :)
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I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit :y
Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot ;)
Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible. :)
I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse ;)
That bad uh. ;D
But that is speaking from a going around corners and moving fast point of view right. What about for example to get some traction on ice, snow etc? Is it at least useful for that? Regardless of PFL, MFL or FL.
More from pulling out of awkward junctions, as for snow and ice...it stayed at home ;)
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I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit :y
Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot ;)
Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible. :)
I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse ;)
That bad uh. ;D
But that is speaking from a going around corners and moving fast point of view right. What about for example to get some traction on ice, snow etc? Is it at least useful for that? Regardless of PFL, MFL or FL.
More from pulling out of awkward junctions, as for snow and ice...it stayed at home ;)
Adding lock provides a lot of leverage ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws-_syszg84
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Because differently from the hecklers who I no longer acknowledge, ....
Do you think he means me? ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas. Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. ::)
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Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas. Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. ::)
I agree with you there Sir Tigger, while he might rattle on a bit he's not doing any harm :-\
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The point of a forum is to discuss. If someone is obsessed with a particular subject and is starting to get repetitive, you have a choice. Join in or leave it alone. Unfortunately, some people seem incapable of exercising this choice.
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MFL safety features are not retrofittable back to a PFL. Obviously, whilst nothing is impossible, it would be too impractical to try.
As to the TC functionality, PFL just cuts engine, MFL/FL try to brake the spinning wheel, and if unsuccessful, cuts engine power. The difference is quite useful if you have any ability and feeling of the chassis, but if you are lazy/slow/stupid, both feel like somebody has chained it to the road. Modern systems are less intrusive at the point of having to adjust engine power (but all too often too intrusive as when the system begins to activate). The PFL system is far more reliable, as the MFL/FL V6 ABS unit has a known reliability issue with its ECU.
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Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas. Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. ::)
Well said Sir Tigger. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Modern systems are less intrusive at the point of having to adjust engine power (but all too often too intrusive as when the system begins to activate).
The Skoda makes it feel as though a driveshaft has just let go (enormous BANG and momentary loss of motive force followed by resumption of FWD scrabble).. I think I preferred the over zealous FL Omega TC stamping on the rear brakes..
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Modern systems are less intrusive at the point of having to adjust engine power (but all too often too intrusive as when the system begins to activate).
The Skoda makes it feel as though a driveshaft has just let go (enormous BANG and momentary loss of motive force followed by resumption of FWD scrabble).. I think I preferred the over zealous FL Omega TC stamping on the rear brakes..
The Nissan system isn`t much better and there is a lot of criticism of it on the forums as it just cuts power rather than trying to control it. One of the remaps has a 10 stage traction control function added which apparently is far better than the standard system.
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Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas. Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. ::)
It's puzzling, isn't it? But it's alright. Skin is quite thick. ;)
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Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas. Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. ::)
I agree with you there Sir Tigger, while he might rattle on a bit he's not doing any harm :-\
I only rattle on because I'm a persistent fellow. I know what I'm after is difficult to find. You have to keep tackling it from different angles to try to crack it and absolutely must keep the motivation up. ;)
But I thank people such as yourself and the others who still try to help. Very much appreciated. :y
But why, or why did you change your avatar? It made the whole thread brighter and easier to look at. ;D
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MFL safety features are not retrofittable back to a PFL. Obviously, whilst nothing is impossible, it would be too impractical to try.
As to the TC functionality, PFL just cuts engine, MFL/FL try to brake the spinning wheel, and if unsuccessful, cuts engine power. The difference is quite useful if you have any ability and feeling of the chassis, but if you are lazy/slow/stupid, both feel like somebody has chained it to the road. Modern systems are less intrusive at the point of having to adjust engine power (but all too often too intrusive as when the system begins to activate). The PFL system is far more reliable, as the MFL/FL V6 ABS unit has a known reliability issue with its ECU.
It's a real pity.
The TC doesn't really worry me. It seems the PFL system would still at least prevent unnecessary wheel spin in the rain? Honestly I would probably leave it off unless raining etc or if I have my child in the car.
What I miss the most are the side airbags as I think they could also help the rear occupants in the case of a side collision. If I could at least retrofit that I would already be happy. But I already suspected it wouldn't be an easy task. So I guess that's out.
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A bit of research goes along way :-X
No Omega was ever fitted with rear airbags :D
And TC doesn't work over 80kph ::) besides it is always on, and you have to turn it off not tother way round...
Bwtfdik.
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Why dont you just buy a Shell and
make it up add the bits as you go along :y
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And TC doesn't work over 80kph ::)
/Panto on
Oh yes it does
/Panto off
Not that I'd ever of tried something. Not me. No way. Never. But it definitely works when in 3 digit speeds... ...and not km/h
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A bit of research goes along way :-X
No Omega was ever fitted with rear airbags :D
And TC doesn't work over 80kph ::) besides it is always on, and you have to turn it off not tother way round...
Bwtfdik.
Gollum, I know no Omega was ever fitted with rear airbags. What I meant was, I think the side airbags, the ones in the front seats, would also help the rear occupants a bit in case of a side collision. At least better than without it. Unless of course the seats are ejected from it's place or something.
And what do you mean by the TC being always on and not the other way around? You mean that I would have to turn it off every time I start the car and it won't stay off once I turn the car off?
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Omega side airbags will have no effect on rear seat passengers - they blow forwards.
TC is re-enabled at every start.
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Why dont you just buy a Shell and make it up add the bits as you go along :y
If merely retrofitting safety features to the PFL is such a daunting task, I would think what you propose would be close to missing impossible. ;D
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And TC doesn't work over 80kph ::)
/Panto on
Oh yes it does
/Panto off
Not that I'd ever of tried something. Not me. No way. Never. But it definitely works when in 3 digit speeds... ...and not km/h
I would have thought TC worked at every speed. I know the snow function works only till a certain speed. But I guess only the automatic cars have it? But I would think TC is just as useful over 80kph.
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And TC doesn't work over 80kph ::)
/Panto on
Oh yes it does
/Panto off
Not that I'd ever of tried something. Not me. No way. Never. But it definitely works when in 3 digit speeds... ...and not km/h
:y
I've seen the TC light flashing when a fast run through a sweeping bend caught the nearside tyres on wet leaves. :-X
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Why dont you just buy a Shell and make it up add the bits as you go along :y
If merely retrofitting safety features to the PFL is such a daunting task, I would think what you propose would be close to missing impossible. ;D
It might actually be easier, as you could get all the right looms in place then.... ....though removing a loom from an Omega without damage is pretty challenging.
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Omega side airbags will have no effect on rear seat passengers - they blow forwards.
TC is re-enabled at every start.
They blow forward? Interesting. I thought they would blow out centered at the front seat, meaning half of the air ball would be covering the front and half covering the back. If only forward then indeed it wouldn't offer any extra protection to the rear seats. :(
Are there any videos showing the safety of the Omega by the way? Showing the airbags deploying etc? I looked for it but didn't find anything.
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And what do you mean by the TC being always on and not the other way around? You mean that I would have to turn it off every time I start the car and it won't stay off once I turn the car off?
Dont think your gonna need the TC when you turn the car off. ::)
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Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas. Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. ::)
I agree with you there Sir Tigger, while he might rattle on a bit he's not doing any harm :-\
I only rattle on because I'm a persistent fellow. I know what I'm after is difficult to find. You have to keep tackling it from different angles to try to crack it and absolutely must keep the motivation up. ;)
But I thank people such as yourself and the others who still try to help. Very much appreciated. :y
But why, or why did you change your avatar? It made the whole thread brighter and easier to look at. ;D
No problem :y
But why, or why did you change your avatar? It made the whole thread brighter and easier to look at. ;D
I was bullied into it >:( ;D
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Are there any videos showing the safety of the Omega by the way? Showing the airbags deploying etc? I looked for it but didn't find anything.
This video shows the side airbag. It's not that clear but if you skip to 1.09 it will give you a rough idea. As it's fitted to the seat it will always favour the front seat occupant.
https://youtu.be/Tr3ZtXV-MM0
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Why dont you just buy a Shell and make it up add the bits as you go along :y
If merely retrofitting safety features to the PFL is such a daunting task, I would think what you propose would be close to missing impossible. ;D
It might actually be easier, as you could get all the right looms in place then.... ....though removing a loom from an Omega without damage is pretty challenging.
I guess speaking from the individual task themselves you are right it would be easier. But I would think looking at it as a whole, starting from scratch would be a lot more time and work. ;)
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And what do you mean by the TC being always on and not the other way around? You mean that I would have to turn it off every time I start the car and it won't stay off once I turn the car off?
Dont think your gonna need the TC when you turn the car off. ::)
Surely not. What I meant though is if it stayed off when you re-started the car. But The Boy already cleared it up that TC is re-enabled at every start. ;)
Which actually makes sense, since it's a safety feature. It is also better. From a safety point of view it's better to forget to turn it off then to forget to turn it on IMO.
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Funny thing.... I used to think OOF was a place where people came to talk about Omegas. Now it seems that it's a place where people come to get abuse for wanting to talk about Omegas. ::)
I agree with you there Sir Tigger, while he might rattle on a bit he's not doing any harm :-\
I only rattle on because I'm a persistent fellow. I know what I'm after is difficult to find. You have to keep tackling it from different angles to try to crack it and absolutely must keep the motivation up. ;)
But I thank people such as yourself and the others who still try to help. Very much appreciated. :y
But why, or why did you change your avatar? It made the whole thread brighter and easier to look at. ;D
No problem :y
Cheers! :y
But why, or why did you change your avatar? It made the whole thread brighter and easier to look at. ;D
I was bullied into it >:( ;D
Bugger! :(
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Are there any videos showing the safety of the Omega by the way? Showing the airbags deploying etc? I looked for it but didn't find anything.
This video shows the side airbag. It's not that clear but if you skip to 1.09 it will give you a rough idea. As it's fitted to the seat it will always favour the front seat occupant.
https://youtu.be/Tr3ZtXV-MM0
Thanks for the link. The side airbag also seems quite small.
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Why dont you just buy a Shell and make it up add the bits as you go along :y
If merely retrofitting safety features to the PFL is such a daunting task, I would think what you propose would be close to missing impossible. ;D
It might actually be easier, as you could get all the right looms in place then.... ....though removing a loom from an Omega without damage is pretty challenging.
Did tell him that in his first thread :-X
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Ffs. We've now wandered off topic onto airbags, talk about, around the houses :o.
When are we going to see this unicorn ::)
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Ffs. We've now wandered off topic onto airbags, talk about, around the houses :o.
When are we going to see this unicorn with its go faster carrot inserted fitted ::)
:-X
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Ffs. We've now wandered off topic onto airbags, talk about, around the houses :o.
When are we going to see this unicorn ::)
Head Units over the range, single Din, double Din and the ins and outs of Bose, retro fitting, modifying and overall sound improvements...........
........ is, no doubt, coming up next
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And another round on the merits or otherwise, especially on V6s, of old-fashioned paper oilfilters.
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The guy is trying to thoroughly research a subject before a potential considerable purchase. Omegas may be throwaway cars here in the UK, but still carry price tag in other countries.
Why not cut the guy some slack? I'm not quite sure why some members are being so hostile - that's not what we're about here >:(
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The guy is trying to thoroughly research a subject before a potential considerable purchase. Omegas may be throwaway cars here in the UK, but still carry price tag in other countries.
Why not cut the guy some slack? I'm not quite sure why some members are being so hostile - that's not what we're about here >:(
I agree,he's doing no harm at all and is amazingly thick skinned unlike some others here ::)
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The frustration stems from the fact that every single thing that is asked in new threads has been addressed repeatedly and in detail in previous threads. The questions have been raised and answered in plain English, so I don't think it's a language issue, more a comprehension one :-\
OP is very quick to nitpick on detail, yet all we are given to work with are words... not a single picture or link of any actual cars, which then raises suspicion as to the authenticity of the OP and what they're hoping to achieve.
Only three or four people know where the OPs IP address is, he pertains to be an expat in Germany, but could just as easily be Daz on a wind up.
That's why Ken left, he felt that somebody, somewhere was taking the piss (actively rather than banter) and he simply wasn't prepared to take it any more.
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I was trying to explain to my son about the things that have changed since the internet came along. One point I made (same one I made earlier in this thread), is that people are incapable of ignoring a subject or conversation in which they have no interest. They can, if they wish, just leave a certain thread alone (bus thread springs to mind) and let the people who want to discuss there get on with it. But no.........they have to put their tuppence worth in.
If we take this to it's logical conclusion, this particular thread would have dried up long ago, as people stopped replying. It's actually the sniping which is keeping it alive.
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This is as much the OPs fault as contributers, as he seems to know exactly which buttons to press to garner such responses and from whom, further reinforcing the idea that this individual is on a wind up rather than a genuine newbie asking legitimate questions.
There are a handful of people here who have a knack for this...
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Here is my 2 penneth, I think that what most critics of the OP are saying is that the questions that he/she have asked have been answered and opinions given as to why they think this. The OP then proceeds to nitpick said advice and opinions in, sometimes, what could seen as a confrontational manner. I can understand the guy wants to find out as much as possible about the Omegas before buying one. It,s the same the world over, don,t pish off the people that are trying to help you. :)
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Here is my 2 penneth, I think that what most critics of the OP are saying is that the questions that he/she have asked have been answered and opinions given as to why they think this. The OP then proceeds to nitpick said advice and opinions in, sometimes, what could seen as a confrontational manner. I can understand the guy wants to find out as much as possible about the Omegas before buying one. It,s the same the world over, don,t pish off the people that are trying to help you. :)
Sorry but I disagree there, I don`t think I`ve ever found the OP confrontational in any post`s, he asks a lot of question and granted a lot of them are answered early in the thread but at the end of the day he is looking at all his options and just wants to be sure.
Any potential new members would probably be put off by some of the harsh comments by some on here.
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Here is my 2 penneth, I think that what most critics of the OP are saying is that the questions that he/she have asked have been answered and opinions given as to why they think this. The OP then proceeds to nitpick said advice and opinions in, sometimes, what could seen as a confrontational manner. I can understand the guy wants to find out as much as possible about the Omegas before buying one. It,s the same the world over, don,t pish off the people that are trying to help you. :)
Sorry but I disagree there, I don`t think I`ve ever found the OP confrontational in any post`s, he asks a lot of question and granted a lot of them are answered early in the thread but at the end of the day he is looking at all his options and just wants to be sure.
Any potential new members would probably be put off by some of the harsh comments by some on here.
Thanks. I do try not to be confrontational, at least for the sake of it. But it is becoming harder and harder to keep restraint at the face of being called an idiot and other things, over and over.
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Ffs. We've now wandered off topic onto airbags, talk about, around the houses :o.
When are we going to see this unicorn with its go faster carrot inserted fitted ::)
:-X
I hadn't seen biggriffin's post because he is one of the posters who is in my ignoring list in my profile settings. So I don't see his posts. I saw it now that Gollum quoted it.
But I wonder what sense of entitlement gives him the notion that he is the one who gets to choose what is on topic or off topic in somebody else's thread. ::)
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Gollum, I consider you alright because despite being obnoxious, you at least seem to have the intention to help, sometimes. And I'm not talking about only my threads. I'm talking about the way you post in the forums, in general. But really. You are talking nonsense and if you don't know it, I have no idea how you manage to write coherent posts sometimes.
The frustration stems from the fact that every single thing that is asked in new threads has been addressed repeatedly and in detail in previous threads.
Really? E-v-e-r-y single thing? In Detail? ::) Please point me to the post in one of my other threads where retrofitting side airbags to a PFL car was addressed in detail for example? It wasn't! As wasn't many of the other details. A conversation is an evolution. It will evolve. And it may cross already touched points. Since it starts from there it will inevitably revisit it, at least partially. It's the process.
The questions have been raised and answered in plain English, so I don't think it's a language issue, more a comprehension one :-\
Does it look like English is a problem here? ::)
OP is very quick to nitpick on detail, yet all we are given to work with are words... not a single picture or link of any actual cars,
Do you really think I want to add one more layer of heckling to my threads? One more opportunity for clowning? Would you really assume I want to add an extra bait for even more nitpicking at what I want? You know, I as in I'm the one paying for it but people feel in the right to tell me what I want, or should want. Negative. I have no interest in doing that. No interest in feeding the hecklers.
which then raises suspicion as to the authenticity of the OP and what they're hoping to achieve.
I'm sorry to be so blunt. Quite honestly I'm getting sick of being restrained and looking at non-sense garbage like that. Anybody who thinks somebody putting so much effort like I do in my posts and so much time and have read my posts showing I'm trying to do my homework, anybody who still thinks I'm a wind up is a plain idiot! Daft! Dense! There, I said it! It's about time. I have been called an idiot here by you and others several times. So fair game. Anybody who thinks anybody would put so much effort on just trolling, that says more about this person thinking it than anybody else.
That's why Ken left, he felt that somebody, somewhere was taking the piss (actively rather than banter) and he simply wasn't prepared to take it any more.
I can't say for sure why Nitro quit. He told me things. I just told him things back. He didn't like it. I don't want to talk about somebody behind his back. I already told him everything I wanted to say in my last post to him. I suggest to stop dropping names. I'm sure if he has anything to say he can say so himself. Stop bringing somebody else into things.
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I was trying to explain to my son about the things that have changed since the internet came along. One point I made (same one I made earlier in this thread), is that people are incapable of ignoring a subject or conversation in which they have no interest. They can, if they wish, just leave a certain thread alone (bus thread springs to mind) and let the people who want to discuss there get on with it. But no.........they have to put their tuppence worth in.
If we take this to it's logical conclusion, this particular thread would have dried up long ago, as people stopped replying. It's actually the sniping which is keeping it alive.
Exactly! It would be as easy as not posting, right? They just need to add me in their ignoring list in their profile settings. I would love that. Most of my threads get long because of all the heckling and whining. If you cut that out they would be shorter. I would love nothing more than for people who have nothing helpful to add to stop posting. I already asked that several times. It would be the adult way.
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This is as much the OPs fault as contributers, as he seems to know exactly which buttons to press to garner such responses and from whom, further reinforcing the idea that this individual is on a wind up rather than a genuine newbie asking legitimate questions.
There are a handful of people here who have a knack for this...
I don't know which buttons to press. Please stop presuming you know what people want or who they are. All I'm doing is trying to do my home work. Those who don't like it are welcome to just ignore the thread. I have said this several times and you see others are now saying the same thing. It would be the adult way.
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The guy is trying to thoroughly research a subject before a potential considerable purchase. Omegas may be throwaway cars here in the UK, but still carry price tag in other countries.
Why not cut the guy some slack? I'm not quite sure why some members are being so hostile - that's not what we're about here >:(
You know. I just went through my 2 first threads again the other day and I have no idea what caused the hostility either.
Maybe it is because of my insistence in having a manual or nothing. Maybe some see this as an offense? Like if I was saying their automatics are no good or something? Of course this is not what I think, as just the other day I was saying how a late black 3.2 is among the best of Omegas one can have. I just prefer manual for myself. Nothing wrong with autos. Or maybe it's because I'm being so specific with what I want and some may see this as me saying what they have is not good enough? Again, non sense. But there are thin skinned people liked that.
But I don't know what was it that started the hostility. But the heckling borders on emotional sometimes. Hence why I suspect it has something to do with them getting offended about their cars or something. But I'm grasping for straws here to find a reason. I just never called anybody any names or purposely insulted anybody. But there is a lot of truth to the saying "haters are going to hate". I just wish it didn't bring the threads so out of whack as it does. It makes it harder for those who want to help to actually post. Although sometimes it looks like this is exactly the hecklers strategy.
The irony is, I've been told to do research and have been even criticized for supposedly not doing enough research. But I'm here trying to do exactly that. Trying to do my homework. And I'm being criticized for being too specific or too throughout. Go figure. ::)
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The guy is trying to thoroughly research a subject before a potential considerable purchase. Omegas may be throwaway cars here in the UK, but still carry price tag in other countries.
Why not cut the guy some slack? I'm not quite sure why some members are being so hostile - that's not what we're about here >:(
I agree,he's doing no harm at all and is amazingly thick skinned unlike some others here ::)
Cheers! :y
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anV6, slightly off topic ;) how is the actual search going?
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anV6, slightly off topic ;) how is the actual search going?
Well, it's going. :)
The silly unicorn jokes are just a little exaggerated. But not by much. ;D
In all seriousness, it is not that they don't exist. They do and I have come across quite a few 3.0 manuals and several 2.5 petrol manuals. It's just that the manuals seem to be the most abused. All the lower mileage in good nick ones are automatic. I guess that's probably not surprising. Actually the 4 cylinder ones seem to be the easiest to find in good nick. And I'm not even being strict as to whether it's a PFL, MFL or FL. I'm looking at all 3.0 manuals I can locate.
I will be driving another car this week which looks promising. Let's see. ;)
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anV6, slightly off topic ;) how is the actual search going?
Well, it's going. :)
The silly unicorn jokes are just a little exaggerated. But not by much. ;D
In all seriousness, it is not that they don't exist. They do and I have come across quite a few 3.0 manuals and several 2.5 petrol manuals. It's just that the manuals seem to be the most abused. All the lower mileage in good nick ones are automatic. I guess that's probably not surprising. Actually the 4 cylinder ones seem to be the easiest to find in good nick. And I'm not even being strict as to whether it's a PFL, MFL or FL. I'm looking at all 3.0 manuals I can locate.
I will be driving another car this week which looks promising. Let's see. ;)
Good luck, hope you find the elusive manual car :y
I know this has been mooted before but if manual 4 pots in good condition are easier to find then you could always bung a Saab turbo lump in for a easy 300bhp ;) just won`t have the V6 soundtrack ;D
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anV6, slightly off topic ;) how is the actual search going?
Well, it's going. :)
The silly unicorn jokes are just a little exaggerated. But not by much. :y
In all seriousness, it is not that they don't exist. They do and I have come across quite a few 3.0 manuals and several 2.5 petrol manuals. It's just that the manuals seem to be the most abused. All the lower mileage in good nick ones are automatic. I guess that's probably not surprising. Actually the 4 cylinder ones seem to be the easiest to find in good nick. And I'm not even being strict as to whether it's a PFL, MFL or FL. I'm looking at all 3.0 manuals I can locate.
I will be driving another car this week which looks promising. Let's see. ;)
Good luck, hope you find the elusive manual car :y
I know this has been mooted before but if manual 4 pots in good condition are easier to find then you could always bung a Saab turbo lump in for a easy 300bhp ;) just won`t have the V6 soundtrack ;D
Thanks. Takes a lot of patience. ;D
Yeah, 300bhp sounds nice. But the V6 soundtrack is what's seducing me. :y
I had turbos before. Quite a few actually. I was never a fan. Modern turbos are different. Almost no leg and behave quite different. Don't know how the Saab is though. But I just fancy myself a 6 cylinders. ;)
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The frustration stems from the fact that every single thing that is asked in new threads has been addressed repeatedly and in detail in previous threads. The questions have been raised and answered in plain English, so I don't think it's a language issue, more a comprehension one :-\
OP is very quick to nitpick on detail, yet all we are given to work with are words... not a single picture or link of any actual cars, which then raises suspicion as to the authenticity of the OP and what they're hoping to achieve.
Only three or four people know where the OPs IP address is, he pertains to be an expat in Germany, but could just as easily be Daz on a wind up.
That's why Ken left, he felt that somebody, somewhere was taking the piss (actively rather than banter) and he simply wasn't prepared to take it any more.
I 2nd the above motion. And Mr nitro is not the sort to flounce, but as said some can only take so much, His comments and wisdom will be missed,.. :(
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OK. Plain English. This can't go on, and it's an absolute oppsing disgrace how some people are treating a newish member trying to find out info about an Omega.
It's been suggested on threads that OP is CG or DLK in disguise, opps knows where those people got that idea from. But even if it was, there is no need for that level of hostility. Not that I believe it is, based on my beliefs that neither have the desire or the computer skills to pull it off (as I'm sure they would readily agree)
So buck up or get banned, as I'm oppsing sick of this petty sniping all the time.
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anV6, slightly off topic ;) how is the actual search going?
Well, it's going. :)
The silly unicorn jokes are just a little exaggerated. But not by much. ;D
In all seriousness, it is not that they don't exist. They do and I have come across quite a few 3.0 manuals and several 2.5 petrol manuals. It's just that the manuals seem to be the most abused. All the lower mileage in good nick ones are automatic. I guess that's probably not surprising. Actually the 4 cylinder ones seem to be the easiest to find in good nick. And I'm not even being strict as to whether it's a PFL, MFL or FL. I'm looking at all 3.0 manuals I can locate.
I will be driving another car this week which looks promising. Let's see. ;)
Good luck, hope you find the elusive manual car :y
I know this has been mooted before but if manual 4 pots in good condition are easier to find then you could always bung a Saab turbo lump in for a easy 300bhp ;) just won`t have the V6 soundtrack ;D
Quoting you again because I saw a great looking low mileage 2.0 late MFL for sale today. Not my colour but in great shape. In the UK I guess I would have already bought one of those to engine swap.
I have the impression if I would give up and just buy a BMW, the following weekend I would see half a dozen low mileage 3.0 manual Omegas in great shape for sale. ;D
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The guy is trying to thoroughly research a subject before a potential considerable purchase. Omegas may be throwaway cars here in the UK, but still carry price tag in other countries.
Why not cut the guy some slack? I'm not quite sure why some members are being so hostile - that's not what we're about here >:(
I overlooked that part of your post. Definitely. If they cost as little as they do in the UK over here I would have already bought a couple since I started looking. Even if it was a automatic. Just to kick around.
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OK. Plain English. This can't go on, and it's an absolute oppsing disgrace how some people are treating a newish member trying to find out info about an Omega.
Agreed! :y
This thread is only about 10 days old. If it was 10 months old and the OP was still asking basic questions, then maybe some of the comments would be justified, but 2 or 3 days into this thread he was getting told to make his mind up and stop faffing about! ::)
Shame on you all! >:(
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Found these in the Help Sections...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90452.0
And...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90488.0
Any use? Look pretty comprehensive... ;)
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OK. Plain English. This can't go on, and it's an absolute oppsing disgrace how some people are treating a newish member trying to find out info about an Omega.
Agreed! :y
This thread is only about 10 days old. . ....
This particular thread is .... but if you go back 4 months ..... http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=137544.msg1767364#msg1767364 ::)
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Found these in the Help Sections...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90452.0
And...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90488.0
Any use? Look pretty comprehensive... ;)
Thanks for the links. I had seen it. :y
It's a very good basic overview of the models through the years.
Looking at the facelift range again, the Prodrive front bumper totally changes the car to the better. Should have been the bumper in all facelift cars. Much better than the very conservative stock one.
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Looking at the facelift range again, the Prodrive front bumper totally changes the car to the better. Should have been the bumper in all facelift cars. Much better than the very conservative stock one.
That's why it's on two of mine. :y
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anV6, slightly off topic ;) how is the actual search going?
Well, it's going. :)
The silly unicorn jokes are just a little exaggerated. But not by much. ;D
In all seriousness, it is not that they don't exist. They do and I have come across quite a few 3.0 manuals and several 2.5 petrol manuals. It's just that the manuals seem to be the most abused. All the lower mileage in good nick ones are automatic. I guess that's probably not surprising. Actually the 4 cylinder ones seem to be the easiest to find in good nick. And I'm not even being strict as to whether it's a PFL, MFL or FL. I'm looking at all 3.0 manuals I can locate.
I will be driving another car this week which looks promising. Let's see. ;)
Good luck, hope you find the elusive manual car :y
I know this has been mooted before but if manual 4 pots in good condition are easier to find then you could always bung a Saab turbo lump in for a easy 300bhp ;) just won`t have the V6 soundtrack ;D
Quoting you again because I saw a great looking low mileage 2.0 late MFL for sale today. Not my colour but in great shape. In the UK I guess I would have already bought one of those to engine swap.
I have the impression if I would give up and just buy a BMW, the following weekend I would see half a dozen low mileage 3.0 manual Omegas in great shape for sale. ;D
Always the case, it`s happened to me a couple of times ;D
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Hi anV6
A famous site about Omega B is this one:
http://www.senatorman.de/opel_omega_b.htm
You will find chronologies about anything regarding this car. Development, prototypes, production details, brochures, technical data, foreign versions all over the world, including a Holden special.
I know Hendrik personally and I know how much work he invested in this site.
There is much insider knowledge, including the mysterious Omega V8 and V8.com.
Enjoy it!
Rolf
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Hi anV6
A famous site about Omega B is this one:
http://www.senatorman.de/opel_omega_b.htm
You will find chronologies about anything regarding this car. Development, prototypes, production details, brochures, technical data, foreign versions all over the world, including a Holden special.
I know Hendrik personally and I know how much work he invested in this site.
There is much insider knowledge, including the mysterious Omega V8 and V8.com.
Enjoy it!
Rolf
English Version - (may take a while to load)
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.senatorman.de%2Fopel_omega_b.htm&edit-text=
Rolf, yove just gone a mentioned the V8 word, :D
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Hi zirk
Erich Bitter (Coupe Diplomat) converted some Holden Monaros into LHD Omega V8 Coupes with German licence. This was before the Pontiac GTO was launched.
One of them was sold late last year in Freiburg, only 60 km from here. 40 k on the counter, mint condition.
I did not have the money.... :-[
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Hi zirk
Erich Bitter (Coupe Diplomat) converted some Holden Monaros into LHD Omega V8 Coupes with German licence. This was before the Pontiac GTO was launched.
One of them was sold late last year in Freiburg, only 60 km from here. 40 k on the counter, mint condition.
I did not have the money.... :-[
You mean He went out of He's way to ruin some perfectly good RHD cars. ;D ;)
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Hi zirk
Opels are for continental use - all left hand drivers ::)
But RHD / LHD is for continental / UK riding not a real problem. I remember first time driving to the Uk with my Senator to the High End Show Meridian Hotel London Heathrow. My turntable in the back box was 10 times more worth than the car.
My co pilot alway say "turn left / right but do not forget the wrong way"
We did it..... :)
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Hi anV6
A famous site about Omega B is this one:
http://www.senatorman.de/opel_omega_b.htm
You will find chronologies about anything regarding this car. Development, prototypes, production details, brochures, technical data, foreign versions all over the world, including a Holden special.
I know Hendrik personally and I know how much work he invested in this site.
There is much insider knowledge, including the mysterious Omega V8 and V8.com.
Enjoy it!
Rolf
Senatorman is a great website with very in depth information about the Omega's development. :y I learned I lot from that site and still check it when I need info about something concerning the Omega. A lot of work went into it indeed.
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Hi zirk
Erich Bitter (Coupe Diplomat) converted some Holden Monaros into LHD Omega V8 Coupes with German licence. This was before the Pontiac GTO was launched.
One of them was sold late last year in Freiburg, only 60 km from here. 40 k on the counter, mint condition.
I did not have the money.... :-[
Nice info. I know the Bitter cars but never knew about this. How much did it go for?
I wish Opel would have pulled a Vauxhall and imported the Monaro and Commodore in LHD drive. Although the interior of the Omegas are so much better and better finished. The Commodore interior only kind of caught up in the very latest generation. And from 2002 and up it actually looks good externally. The earlier ones can't match the PFL beauty.
But a Commodore V8 with a new European interior in LHD would have given BMW a lot of trouble and would have been cheaper than the Omega V8 program IMO. The Omega is too little for a V8 and the Commodore was already a finished product. Vauxhall played the right card but didn't go all the way to make the car what it had to be to be taken seriously in Europe.
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Hi zirk
Opels are for continental use - all left hand drivers ::)
But RHD / LHD is for continental / UK riding not a real problem. I remember first time driving to the Uk with my Senator to the High End Show Meridian Hotel London Heathrow. My turntable in the back box was 10 times more worth than the car.
My co pilot alway say "turn left / right but do not forget the wrong way"
We did it..... :)
Dont forget Opels in Ireland are RHD. ;)
Talking of Opels, RHD, Ireland and V8's.........
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Hi zirk
Opels are for continental use - all left hand drivers ::)
But RHD / LHD is for continental / UK riding not a real problem. I remember first time driving to the Uk with my Senator to the High End Show Meridian Hotel London Heathrow. My turntable in the back box was 10 times more worth than the car.
My co pilot alway say "turn left / right but do not forget the wrong way"
We did it..... :)
Dont forget Opels in Ireland are RHD. ;)
Yeah, but I think in that case it would be more accurate to call them re-badged Vauxhalls. ;D
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Dont forget Opels in Ireland are RHD. ;)
Yeah, but I think in that case it would be more accurate to call them re-badged Vauxhalls. ;D
If your referring to the Euro Market, then its more of a case UK Vauxhalls are a re badged Opel.
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Dont forget Opels in Ireland are RHD. ;)
Yeah, but I think in that case it would be more accurate to call them re-badged Vauxhalls. ;D
If your referring to the Euro Market, then its more of a case UK Vauxhalls are a re badged Opel.
No. I was referring to the RHD "Opels" in Ireland. ;)
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Forgive me of I am speaking out of turn, but I thought ALL Omegas, regardless of market were built in Germany and badged according to market?
I believe, but am prepared to be corrected, that it was sold as Opel, Vauxhall, Cadillac and Chevrolet brands, and with the obvious exception of Cadillac, all badges were left and righthand drive...
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Forgive me of I am speaking out of turn, but I thought ALL Omegas, regardless of market were built in Germany and badged according to market?
I believe, but am prepared to be corrected, that it was sold as Opel, Vauxhall, Cadillac and Chevrolet brands, and with the obvious exception of Cadillac, all badges were left and righthand drive...
Yes, as far as I know all Omegas were built in Germany. That is if you are talking about the Omega B. Even the Catera if I'm not wrong was built in Germany and exported to the U.S. But which Chevrolet are you talking about? There were no Chevrolet Omega B as far as I know. And the Chevrolet Omega A (Carlton) was built in South America, not Germany. ;)
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Forgive me of I am speaking out of turn, but I thought ALL Omegas, regardless of market were built in Germany and badged according to market?
Correct, made in Opel Land. ;)
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Hi anV6
Here are some pictures of the Bitter Monaro. The pics are taken on a Freiburg industrial area. I knew the place, so I am sure that is no fake. The car was offered for 19500 €
Not so bad.
Pontiac GTOs imported via Bremerhaven are (included toll and license) in the same range. But without history.
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Hi zirk
Not correct!
The omega was a Opel creation, but the Ecotech engines came from the UK!
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Found this Rhd Opel in SA...
http://www.automart.co.za/cars/keywords/opel-omega/
Think the Chevrolet badged cars were Middle East market? Looking around, even the Asian stuff is Opel badged.
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Hi Fraggles Rock
Worldwide there are two Omega based production lines. Opel and Holden. The Holden Base is a little wider than the Opel base. These cars you can identify by welding lines on the roof. Opel based cars do not have this.
Omega based Chevrolet Luminas in Middle East are all based Holden. It was much easier to adapt V8 engines in a wider frame.
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The Russelheim built car is the Omega B. The Victoria built car is the VT Commodore and ne'er the twain shall meet ;)
The Russelheim car was sold everywhere apart from South America and Australia. South America kept the Omega A for a couple more years after the tooling got shipped over as part of a trade agreement. Covered a bit of it for A level Geography ;)
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Yes, South America, or Brazil to be more specific, built the Omega A (Carlton) till quite a bit after it was discontinued in Europe as the Chevrolet Omega. As far as I know it's the only Omega car ever built outside of Europe between Omega A and Omega B both. It basically came out there as it was going out here.
But the engines were a bit different. The top engine was the old Chevy 4.1. They had to use that when the 3.0 was discontinued in Germany. The 4.1 was the same engine they had been using in their version of the Opel Rekord C since the 70's, called the Chevrolet Opala, which interestingly had one of it's trims named Comodoro, or Portuguese for Commodore. :). Some of the other Opala trims were Diplomata and SS for the sports coupe. They build the Rekord C (Opala) in 2 doors coupe, 4 doors saloon and 2 and 4 doors estate from the late 60's till the early 90's when the Omega A replaced it. It was the same body shell as the original Opel Rekord C all the way through, changing only the front and rear fascias through the years. But although the body shell was Opel, the mechanic was very much American GM, including from the Impala.
Ford did the same thing in Argentina with the Taunus (The Cortina MKIII European cousin). They built the TC1 there, which had a coupe version as in Europe. But when they rolled out the TC2, unlike in Europe where the coupe was dropped, Ford Argentina just used the TC1 coupe body shell and stuck the TC2 front and rear fascias on it. :)
Interestingly, the old Chevy 4.1 was reworked by Lotus to make it more modern to be used in the Brazilian Omega A.
The Omega B was never made or sold in South America. Once time came to replace the Omega A they decided to import Holden Commodores from Australia and call them Chevrolet Omega. So there was never as far as I know a Chevrolet Omega B. The Middle East Chevrolet Omega is a Holden, yes. :y
So I guess every Omega B, regardless of where sold or if LHD or RHD were built in Russelheim.
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Hi anV6
Here are some pictures of the Bitter Monaro. The pics are taken on a Freiburg industrial area. I knew the place, so I am sure that is no fake. The car was offered for 19500 €
Not so bad.
Pontiac GTOs imported via Bremerhaven are (included toll and license) in the same range. But without history.
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I must say I like the way the Bitter looks better than the GTO. It must be a real mind twist in the autobahn when people see it. :)
Do you know how many Bitter converted?
€19000 is indeed around the going price for a GTO. I would rather pay that for the Bitter because of the history as you say.
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Some correction is needed here...
That is an imported GTO... the Monaro/GTOs were all built in Australia. Eric Bitter bought an early production car from the Holden factory and made some detailed changes, the wheels being most obvious. It never made 'production'...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Cars
Also confimed in this Australian article about the Holden VE Caprice...
http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/bitter-looks-sweet-15296
The Gto version was lightly reworked for US regulations, but was launched in late 2003 for the 2004 model year,which confirms the Bitter SC11 as an early production car having been displayed in autumn 2003.
HTH ;)
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Hi Fraggle Rock
That is not an imported GTO. It is an imported Holden. You can see it on the gasoline tank position. Holdens fill ins are in Omega position, the GTOs have their fill in high underneath the end of "C" pillar, because the tank is behind the backseats.
So Bitter did not only detailed changes. He converted a Holden into LHD and brought the car through the German law of licence. Also he created different front designs.
Sadly only a handful cars where build....
Rolf
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ALL early Monaro Coupes, including the earliest pre production Gtos from 2001 to 2004 had the fuel tank under the boot floor as per the Omega. 2005-2007 My, ie end of production, have the filler in the C pillar coupled with a smaller boot and the tank behind the rear seat.
As a rule of thumb, 5.7 cars have the boot floor tank and 6.0 cars have the rear seat tank and relocated filler all. Looks like the final production 5.7s jumped the gun on moving the fuel tank for type approval reasons.
The only place those lhd Monaros could have come from is the Holden factory. The Monaro had a variety of production front ends, of which the example you posted looks pretty stock :-\
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Is it difficult to get the cruise control to work? I have looked at a couple of cars which were converted from automatic to manual and the sellers said cruise control no longer work after the conversion. Something to do with it being programmed for an automatic or whatever was the explanation. Is it difficult to put it right?
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Crappoy excuses for lazy work... requires a clutch switch and some loom... much easier to fit at the time than to mess around with after as the wiring can be done before the clutch is fitted ::)
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I thought the manual transmission shouldn't be the excuse as I have had several manual cars with cruise control.
But I guess to do it now after everything is in I'm looking at quite a bit of work then?
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Answered in my last post ::)
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Hi an V6
As gollum says, you need a clutch switch. Most Opel Omegas are pre cabled for ride control use. For further details look for Kurt`s "Tempomat" postings (opel-voting.de)
Rolf
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Answered in my last post ::)
You said what needs to be done. I was asking how much work it is? ;)
Have you done the job?
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Hi an V6
As gollum says, you need a clutch switch. Most Opel Omegas are pre cabled for ride control use. For further details look for Kurt`s "Tempomat" postings (opel-voting.de)
Rolf
Thanks Rolf! I will see if I find it. Never heard of the forum either, so it's good to know about it. But my German skills are very unimpressive. :(
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Answered in my last post ::)
You said what needs to be done. I was asking how much work it is? ;)
Have you done the job?
Everything you need to know is in the OOF Guides, search for it.
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Answered in my last post ::)
You said what needs to be done. I was asking how much work it is? ;)
Have you done the job?
Everything you need to know is in the OOF Guides, search for it.
Do you mean the FAQ? I didn't see it there.
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Answered in my last post ::)
You said what needs to be done. I was asking how much work it is? ;)
Have you done the job?
Everything you need to know is in the OOF Guides, search for it.
Do you mean the FAQ? I didn't see it there.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90592.0
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Answered in my last post ::)
You said what needs to be done. I was asking how much work it is? ;)
Have you done the job?
Everything you need to know is in the OOF Guides, search for it.
Do you mean the FAQ? I didn't see it there.
SEARCH for it, Im not doing it for you. ::)
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Answered in my last post ::)
You said what needs to be done. I was asking how much work it is? ;)
Have you done the job?
Everything you need to know is in the OOF Guides, search for it.
Do you mean the FAQ? I didn't see it there.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90592.0
Thanks! :)
Never looked there as I wouldn't expect to find that type of information within maintenance guides.
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Answered in my last post ::)
You said what needs to be done. I was asking how much work it is? ;)
Have you done the job?
Everything you need to know is in the OOF Guides, search for it.
Do you mean the FAQ? I didn't see it there.
SEARCH for it, Im not doing it for you. ::)
To be fair I didn't ask you to do it for me or even for a link. I only asked which section of the forum. But no worries. Somebody else already pointed me in the right direction. Thanks anyway.
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You did read the Newbie section when you joined... ???
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You did read the Newbie section when you joined... ???
Yes, I did go through some of it, specially the stickers. Obviously didn't go through all the topics. But it was a while ago.
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To be fair I didn't ask you to do it for me or even for a link. I only asked which section of the forum. But no worries. Somebody else already pointed me in the right direction. Thanks anyway.
Wasn't going to give you a link as its not all in one place, the Link that Henry supplied is for Auto to Manual, contains some Cruise info, theres other stuff kicking around in there ie Retro Fitting Cruise etc, PFL, FL etc, as said its not all in one place, therefore do a search for the info you need.
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You did read the Newbie section when you joined... ???
Does anyone?
Thats like reading the instructions before you start to build something ;D
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You did read the Newbie section when you joined... ???
Does anyone?
Thats like reading the instructions before you start to build something ;D
No building allowed in this Thread, that would be too easy, its all about modifying stuff and re inventing the wheels.. ;D
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You did read the Newbie section when you joined... ???
Does anyone?
Thats like reading the instructions before you start to build something ;D
I actually even made a word file out of some of the info in the FAQ in a way that I can easily access. ;)
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As I have mentioned a few times, Omegas here are not the disposable dirty cheap cars they are back in the UK. Cars in general are much more expensive here.
But even considering that, I'm not seeing why this one is so expensive:
https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/opel-omega-mv6-3-2-liter-1-hand-automatik-gasoline-grey-53be1afa-0a92-4f43-a632-d188ce360351?cldtidx=8
If it had like 30k on the clock or something I could at least understand.
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That's basically our Elite spec... But
It's only 100K miles, here that might be a couple of grand or so, especially given that it looks absolutely mint and has NCDC 2015 with Cid.
That said it has a right hand drive front left seat... Driver's seat in that spec should be memory, that seat clearly is not. Sloppy attention to details is what trips stupid sellers up. And raises questions towards the provenance of the car...
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I see what you mean.
I just came back from looking at a car. Finally got to drive a 3.0 manual. I have to say I'm a bit surprised and not sure if in a good way. It felt a bit, I don't know. I'm not sure sluggish is the right word. But it didn't feel tight. The gas pedal has a very peculiar feeling. Kind of reminds me of the W124 Mercedes. It has that feeling that it has a massive block of wood bolted to the bottom. I'm not sure it is supposed to feel that way or not as this is the only 3.0 I have driven so far. To make matters worse the power steering pump is not working properly, so the steering was a bit funny. All together it was not a very useful test drive to judge the car by.
Besides the power steering pump, which the seller is giving a new one with the car to be exchanged, it has a few problems which on their own seem little but all together it seems would be a lot of time to get the car to perfect condition. Big dent on the door but seller will give another door of the same color, windscreen has a 20cm crack near the corner, although not through on either side. GPS screen has a malfunction. If you press on it it can work, but normally not. So it seems the radio also won't. Then there are a few bits in the internal trim that needs replacement. Like the gear knob is loose and it needs a new one and a few other bits here and there.
Rust I didn't see anything. Only a very small, thump tip sized bust on the top of the rear arch.
Mechanically the engine seems to pull ok, if the weird feeling at the pedal is normal. But it was hard to judge the driving because of the faulty power steering pump. To maneuver in the parking lot it makes all sorts of noises and is heavy. During driving I had the impression the steering wheel was shaking. But it's hard to say if it's the faulty pump or something worse.
I didn't get too much time with the car. And I doubt I would be able to do things like remove the sill covers, remove rear seat base and pull rear carpet forward before I buy. But I guess taking it to a mechanic should not be a problem.
All together I got a bit of cold feet. But it's hard to judge without having a reference point. Maybe this is just how a 3.0 is supposed to drive. ???
So fast forward 6 weeks and this very same car turned up for sale at a totally different part of the country and for considerably less than before. Speaking briefly to the new owner, he admitted he has had the car for only around that much, after I said I had driven it early in the year. Came up with some lame excuse for why he is selling so soon. Something with getting a new job where they give him a car. Yeah, right. Told him why I didn't buy the car before and wished him good luck with the sale.
So glad I held out and didn't buy it. Patience is a good thing to have as well as good judgment. Glad I didn't become desperate because it was a 3.0 manual and they are hard to come by.