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[the alarming man]

No ad. This was a tip from somebody.

Cloud cuckoo land daily don't allow links.

Pictures don't seem to exist either 

[biggriffin]

This thread might catch the 0-60 thread,, were is young bear.

[anV6]

It's looking like I may actually end up buying this car. Pending on the test drive, which I have already scheduled. The only thing which bothers me about it being a PFL instead of a MFL is the safety stuff. Cosmetically it makes no difference to me. I was not really ever so concerned with that. Used not to even care if a car had an airbag. But I guess such concerns come with being a new father.

And I know that if I want the safest Omega I should buy a 2003 or better yet, just a newer car. But I have settled on an Omega for now and I haven't found a 2003 that fit.

I was talking to somebody about the safety differences between the MFL and PFL and he was suggesting it most likely can be easily retrofitted to a PFL, which I'm not really inclined to believe would be as easy. As I don't like to assume anything I thought I would ask.

The differences as far as I could gather are:

         PFL                                               MFL

* No side airbags                                    * Side airbags
* Mechanical pre-tensioners                     * Pyrotechnic pre-tensioners
* Hollow headrests.                                 * Solid headrests
* Less advanced ABS ECU                        * ABS Bosch 5.3 ABS
* Less advanced TC                                * 5.3 TC in the V6
* No adjustable steering column                * Adjustable steering column
* Non clear headlight lens                        * Clear headlight lens

With the seats, I would think it's just a straight bolt on. If what you are worried about is the looks, which is not the point for me. The important to me are the side airbags, which would obviously involve a bit more than just exchanging the seats. But is it just a matter of finding a donor car and bolting all the parts on? Somehow I don't think so. But it's worth asking.

Same questions with the more advance ABS. Is it just the ECU/control box? Is is a feasible retrofit?

And is the MFL TC really that much better/safer?

[Doctor Gollum]

Ok, I'll bite...

Headrests are the only straight swap

Rest will need a newer Omega, ideally early facelift non dbw manual V6. This is because you need the front door looms and airbag triggers; complete vehicle body loom; airbag ecu, airbag loom, seatbelt pretensioners with seat loom, side airbags with covers, seat back frame and loom (fitting complete seats is best way of tackling seats, but good luck getting the trim to match and you'll need rears and doorcards too); dashboard including passenger airbag, airbag mounting structure and loom; ABS ecu, pump and complete loom; dash loom and TC switch.

That's about it, but you'll be converting the interior to facelift in the process of rewiring it/swapping components...

In a nutshell buy that car and shut up, or buy a late facelift knowing that it's the 'safest' Omega. But we/I told you all this when you first asked (not that you've listened. Note, listening is different to hearing ).

[Andy B]

..... Note, listening is different to hearing ).

always different from ....... it just is     

[anV6]

Ok, I'll bite...

Headrests are the only straight swap

Rest will need a newer Omega, ideally early facelift non dbw manual V6. This is because you need the front door looms and airbag triggers; complete vehicle body loom; airbag ecu, airbag loom, seatbelt pretensioners with seat loom, side airbags with covers, seat back frame and loom (fitting complete seats is best way of tackling seats, but good luck getting the trim to match and you'll need rears and doorcards too); dashboard including passenger airbag, airbag mounting structure and loom; ABS ecu, pump and complete loom; dash loom and TC switch.

That's about it, but you'll be converting the interior to facelift in the process of rewiring it/swapping components...

In a nutshell buy that car and shut up, or buy a late facelift knowing that it's the 'safest' Omega. But we/I told you all this when you first asked (not that you've listened. Note, listening is different to hearing ).

Thanks for trying to address it.

But honestly, why would you have to "bite"? It's a legit question. I know you take the piss at times and we have not always seen eye to eye. That's all fine. Because differently from the hecklers who I no longer acknowledge, you constantly contribute with useful information. So why spoil a perfectly good and useful reply?

But back to the issue at hand. 

I was talking about retrofitting safety features from the MFL to the PFL. Not from the FL as I think that would be even farther removed from a PFL. So I'm a bit lost as for the reason I would need to convert the interior to FL and all the other things you mentioned.

[Mr Gav]

I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit 

Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot 

[anV6]

I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit 

Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot 

Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible.

[LC0112G]

..... Note, listening is different to hearing ).

always different from ....... it just is     

The phrase most used on a recent holiday was :

"I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you"

[Doctor Gollum]

..... Note, listening is different to hearing ).

always different from ....... it just is     

The phrase most used on a recent holiday was :

"I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you"

That do... and I'm oppsed if I am going to draw a picture...

[Doctor Gollum]

And I know that if I want the safest Omega I should buy a 2003 or better yet, just a newer car. But I have settled on an Omega for now and I haven't found a 2003 that fit.

This was the point I was addressing. I merely reiterated what I told you in your first thread.

If you like the earlier car, buy it.

If you want a safer car, buy that.

You can have both, but it takes imagination, cash and time, and I get the distinct impression that you're at least one short

[Mr Gav]

I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit 

Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot 

Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible.

I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse 

[Doctor Gollum]

I wouldn`t worry about the traction control....it`s shit 

Far better to drive without it and control traction with your right foot 

Yes, I can imagine. Besides the PFL also comes with some form of it. This is why I asked if the MFL version is that much better. I was anticipating it wouldn't be worth bothering upgrading, even if possible.

I had a facelift manual 3.0l and the TC was crap, like someone pulling the fuel pump fuse 

Never had a problem with TC on either 3.2

[biggriffin]

O o o o. We might see the fable of the perfect car soon. I cant wait.

But as we know pictures are as rare as dif mounts

[tigers_gonads]

I'm with Gav on this one

With my PFl / 3ltr engine, you seemed to have a bit of spin which in some cases got you off the line quicker

With this manual box / 3.2 engine, the TC is very hard to manipulate on the throttle