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Title: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 26 January 2017, 19:29:22
....assuming the shit turns up, it was ordered last week on a 3 day delivery, still not here  >:(

We need to swap out some non-redundant network gear, which will involve an outage of approx. 2hrs, and a series of outages of less than 2 mins each.

Its too cold to mess about with cars anyway, so hope the outages will be nothing more than a minor inconvenience.  If you need a guide for this weekend, I'd recommend printing it off :)
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 26 January 2017, 20:22:55
Not good enough. I demand a refund.  >:(
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 26 January 2017, 20:34:30
Ta for the warning - though I'll still forget and start stomping about in a paddy...
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: plym ian on 26 January 2017, 22:16:34
No don't do it!!!!! That means and this doesn't bear thinking about.......










I have to make conversation with swmbo
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Nick W on 27 January 2017, 00:18:18
....assuming the shit turns up, it was ordered last week on a 3 day delivery, still not here  >:(

We need to swap out some non-redundant network gear, which will involve an outage of approx. 2hrs, and a series of outages of less than 2 mins each.

It's too cold to mess about with cars anyway, so hope the outages will be nothing more than a minor inconvenience.  If you need a guide for this weekend, I'd recommend printing it off :)


Bloody hobby mechanics ;)
Some of us have stuff to do.
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: zirk on 27 January 2017, 00:42:21
....assuming the shit turns up, it was ordered last week on a 3 day delivery, still not here  >:(

We need to swap out some non-redundant network gear, which will involve an outage of approx. 2hrs, and a series of outages of less than 2 mins each.

Its too cold to mess about with cars anyway, so hope the outages will be nothing more than a minor inconvenience.  If you need a guide for this weekend, I'd recommend printing it off :)
Ah, Network Gear, per chance the bit that talks to the Outside World?

Does this mean I might be able to post as normal, rather than having to bounce my IP half way around the Planet.  ;D :P
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 27 January 2017, 08:15:04
Does this mean I might be able to post as normal, rather than having to bounce my IP half way around the Planet.  ;D :P
Sadly, no, as that issue is with your service provider I'm afraid.

In the coming weeks there are plans to start to move towards https which likely will improve your specific situation (and to stop those mongrels who love Google's shitty Chrome browser from losing access), though its going to cause people using old computers and software some pain  :'(
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 27 January 2017, 08:55:19
On my tablet some sites tell me my browser is out of date... no shit, I have had it at least six years ;D

Use Chrome on the phone, if only because that's the browser it chose... and IE on the laptop...

My browser choice is simple: Does it allow me to browse the web? If the answer is yes, then all is well ;D

Joking aside, try replacing the Hamster with a Tibetan Terrier puppy... more energy than edf :o

As ever your efforts are genuinely appreciated :y
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: ronnyd on 27 January 2017, 13:42:08
I,m still running this laptop (it,s all i have, bloody Ludite) on XP. Chrome keep informing me when i fire up that it,s no longer supported so just keep going and hope. ;)
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 27 January 2017, 19:42:10
I,m still running this laptop (it,s all i have, bloody Ludite) on XP. Chrome keep informing me when i fire up that it,s no longer supported so just keep going and hope. ;)
I'm afraid to say you might be Donald Ducked in the coming weeks. I did post up a while ago what options might work when we make the change, can't remember what/if the XP options were.
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: ronnyd on 27 January 2017, 22:37:12
If it does go tits up will have to pay my lads train fare from up north to sort me out. ;D
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Viral_Jim on 28 January 2017, 00:25:01
If it does go tits up will have to pay my lads train fare from up north to sort me out. ;D

These days I reckon it'd be cheaper just to buy a new laptop  >:(.

 ;D
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 28 January 2017, 21:57:36
Took a bit longer than planned, as unexpected networking issues encountered.  I'll open a ticket with the vendor tomorrow, so no doubt will be some tweaking over the next couple of weeks  >:(
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: ronnyd on 29 January 2017, 18:13:42
If it does go tits up will have to pay my lads train fare from up north to sort me out. ;D

These days I reckon it'd be cheaper just to buy a new laptop  >:(.

 ;D
Nah, it,s worth it, he,s a great lad. :-*
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 29 January 2017, 18:19:29
Although it looks like we have finally resolved the TMobile issue, we still need to press ahead with the security enhancements in the coming weeks, which will mean users of old software and browsers will loose access. Sorry.
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: zirk on 29 January 2017, 18:21:24
Although it looks like we have finally resolved the TMobile issue, we still need to press ahead with the security enhancements in the coming weeks, which will mean users of old software and browsers will loose access. Sorry.
Yep, thanks for that one,.......       now just leave the bloody thing alone!  ;D :P :-*

Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: ronnyd on 29 January 2017, 18:28:03
Although it looks like we have finally resolved the TMobile issue, we still need to press ahead with the security enhancements in the coming weeks, which will mean users of old software and browsers will loose access. Sorry.
Byeee fellas  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 29 January 2017, 18:48:35
Although it looks like we have finally resolved the TMobile issue, we still need to press ahead with the security enhancements in the coming weeks, which will mean users of old software and browsers will loose access. Sorry.
Byeee fellas  :'( :'(
Of the mainstream browsers, IE and Chrome definitely work on XP. All but the oldest versions of FF *may* work. Your mileage may vary.

We cannot carry on supporting unsupported software indefinitely, and Google are making sure that life will become a pain in the arse for everyone - but then they are what the claim not to be, evil ;)
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 29 January 2017, 18:58:06
I might be wrong on Chrome, conflicting info (and sod all directly from Google). But you'd be a bit soft in the head to run Chrome on any version of Windows, let alone broken ones like XP.

Old smartphones, including old Gooseberries, original iPhone, old Android and Win CE based Windows are also out of luck.


Generally, if you are running a currently supported OS and a currently supported browser, you should be OK
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: ronnyd on 30 January 2017, 14:10:29
I might be wrong on Chrome, conflicting info (and sod all directly from Google). But you'd be a bit soft in the head to run Chrome on any version of Windows, let alone broken ones like XP.

Old smartphones, including old Gooseberries, original iPhone, old Android and Win CE based Windows are also out of luck.


Generally, if you are running a currently supported OS and a currently supported browser, you should be OK
Why exactly, in words of one syllable please as i know naff all about these things. ;D
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: henryd on 30 January 2017, 16:04:47
Although it looks like we have finally resolved the TMobile issue, we still need to press ahead with the security enhancements in the coming weeks, which will mean users of old software and browsers will loose access. Sorry.

Happy days :y :y
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Migalot on 30 January 2017, 16:11:11
I keep reading the subject line as "Advance warning, outrage this weekend".

Must be the times we live in. ;)
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Shackeng on 30 January 2017, 16:43:30
I'm on Win7 and FF 51 64-bit. Is that OK? :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Viral_Jim on 30 January 2017, 16:54:53
I keep reading the subject line as "Advance warning, outrage this weekend".

Generally what happens when OOF'ers are forced off the internet and into face to face conversations with their nearest and dearest.  ;D

Or is that just me?!  :o
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 January 2017, 16:56:19
I keep reading the subject line as "Advance warning, outrage this weekend".

Generally what happens when OOF'ers are forced off the internet and into face to face conversations with their nearest and dearest.  ;D

Or is that just me?!  :o

No, there's generally much more outrage online than when we meet up*. I blame the alcohol for that.


* -  Provided nobody brings an axe ::)
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 30 January 2017, 19:07:23
I might be wrong on Chrome, conflicting info (and sod all directly from Google). But you'd be a bit soft in the head to run Chrome on any version of Windows, let alone broken ones like XP.

Old smartphones, including old Gooseberries, original iPhone, old Android and Win CE based Windows are also out of luck.


Generally, if you are running a currently supported OS and a currently supported browser, you should be OK
Why exactly, in words of one syllable please as i know naff all about these things. ;D
Chrome on Windows makes a sieve look solid.  And is the underlying OS (Windows XP) hasn't had its discovered flaws for 3 years now, its not entirely difficult for scrotebags to install nasty software on your machine.
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 30 January 2017, 19:07:56
* -  Provided nobody brings an axe ::)
I've just had a flashback, and come out in a cold sweat ;D
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Entwood on 30 January 2017, 19:40:45
* -  Provided nobody brings an axe ::)
I've just had a flashback, and come out in a cold sweat ;D

The way that log was a) burning & b) being attacked by the axeman, there was no way anyone was cold that night !!!
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Shackeng on 31 January 2017, 10:04:52
I'm on Win7 and FF 51 64-bit. Is that OK? :-\ :-\ :-\

Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: aaronjb on 31 January 2017, 10:37:26
Chrome on Windows makes a sieve look solid.  And is the underlying OS (Windows XP) hasn't had its discovered flaws for 3 years now, its not entirely difficult for scrotebags to install nasty software on your machine.

I think it's safe to assume ronnyd is probably already part of a botnet, given the XP, Chrome, and inexperienced user trifecta (sorry Ronny!) ;)
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: aaronjb on 31 January 2017, 11:25:01
I'm on Win7 and FF 51 64-bit. Is that OK? :-\ :-\ :-\

Does anyone know?

FF51 is the current release, so I can't imagine that wouldn't be supported here; it's supported by Mozilla.
Technically Windows 7 is out of Support but is still supported by security patches until 2020 - http://uk.pcmag.com/operating-systems-and-platforms/38918/news/mainstream-windows-7-support-ends-today-but-dont-panic

Oh, Firefox 52 (due out in March) will be the next Extended Support Release if such things are important to you, likely as a home user you'll just continue to upgrade until FF end support for Windows 7 (not anytime soon) https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Shackeng on 31 January 2017, 11:54:16
I'm on Win7 and FF 51 64-bit. Is that OK? :-\ :-\ :-\

Does anyone know?

FF51 is the current release, so I can't imagine that wouldn't be supported here; it's supported by Mozilla.
Technically Windows 7 is out of Support but is still supported by security patches until 2020 - http://uk.pcmag.com/operating-systems-and-platforms/38918/news/mainstream-windows-7-support-ends-today-but-dont-panic

Oh, Firefox 52 (due out in March) will be the next Extended Support Release if such things are important to you, likely as a home user you'll just continue to upgrade until FF end support for Windows 7 (not anytime soon) https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/

Thanks Aaron. :y
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 31 January 2017, 19:10:12
I'm on Win7 and FF 51 64-bit. Is that OK? :-\ :-\ :-\

Does anyone know?
From what perspective, Shack?
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: ronnyd on 01 February 2017, 01:00:10
I regularly use AVG to scan and also Melwarebytes. Does this help?
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: aaronjb on 01 February 2017, 07:57:11
I'm on Win7 and FF 51 64-bit. Is that OK? :-\ :-\ :-\

Does anyone know?
From what perspective, Shack?

I assume he meant the "will it still work with OOF" perspective (and I can't see you knowingly breaking support for the most recent version of Firefox, somehow).. although I reckon the answer is the same for both.


Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 February 2017, 09:35:48
Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D

If he runs too much gear Mrs. TheBoy stops complaining about the cold. ;D
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: aaronjb on 01 February 2017, 10:25:52
Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D

If he runs too much gear Mrs. TheBoy stops complaining about the cold. ;D

 ;D ;D I was hoping all my gear would keep the (integral) garage warm, but it doesn't seem to.  Might actually have to move it all to the loft so that it doesn't ingest fibreglass dust when I'm sanding the body of the plastic fantastic kit car.. (yes, I'm actually making progress, shocking I know! ;D)
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 February 2017, 11:18:18
Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D

If he runs too much gear Mrs. TheBoy stops complaining about the cold. ;D

 ;D ;D I was hoping all my gear would keep the (integral) garage warm, but it doesn't seem to.  Might actually have to move it all to the loft so that it doesn't ingest fibreglass dust when I'm sanding the body of the plastic fantastic kit car.. (yes, I'm actually making progress, shocking I know! ;D)

Hmm. Lofts can get awfully hot in summer. Cupboard under the stairs. :y

Looking forward to a ride in the snake this summer then. :y
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: aaronjb on 01 February 2017, 11:24:46
Steady on, I'm aiming for when I'm 40, not 39..  :)  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: Shackeng on 01 February 2017, 16:36:15
I'm on Win7 and FF 51 64-bit. Is that OK? :-\ :-\ :-\

Does anyone know?
From what perspective, Shack?

I assume he meant the "will it still work with OOF" perspective (and I can't see you knowingly breaking support for the most recent version of Firefox, somehow).. although I reckon the answer is the same for both.


Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D

 :y :y :y
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: zirk on 01 February 2017, 18:12:23
Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D
One that doesn't mean OOF Members are required to contribute towards the cost of ownership and running it, be it through Paid Membership,  Adverts or other forms of Fee's.  :P ;) :y
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 01 February 2017, 18:35:50
Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D

If he runs too much gear Mrs. TheBoy stops complaining about the cold. ;D
There has been a big push towards energy efficiency in servers over the last 7 or 8yrs (all OOF's existing physical servers are less than that...  ...and the 4th shiney addition was only dispatched today).

So, no, it doesn't stop her grumbling about the cold ;D

Though as one of the cats is poorly - we think he might have lost a face-up to a squirrel or a fox - I've turn the temp up to keep him warm.  Because I'm a big softie.
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 01 February 2017, 18:40:08
Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D
Cowboys R Us.

The front end router that ultimately connects to the internet (and which has a bug I need to report in that it can't route, and another around L2TP possibly related to first) is a single point of failure I'm afraid. And not the only one, as we found out when the storage server went a bit mental a few weeks ago when I tried to maintenance on of the disks ;D
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: TheBoy on 01 February 2017, 18:42:54
I'm on Win7 and FF 51 64-bit. Is that OK? :-\ :-\ :-\

Does anyone know?
From what perspective, Shack?

I assume he meant the "will it still work with OOF" perspective (and I can't see you knowingly breaking support for the most recent version of Firefox, somehow).. although I reckon the answer is the same for both.


Which reminds me. Non redundant network gear? What kind of half baked data centre are you running out of your house  :P ;D

 :y :y :y
Whilst Win7 is still officially supported by MS (2020), we will do our utmost to support it.

Up to date FF/IE/Chrome (for those with some pages stuck together) should also be OK when running on a currently supported OS.

Its (currently) XP that's going to be problematic, as the core OS doesn't support something we need to implement.
Title: Re: Advance notice, outage this weekend...
Post by: aaronjb on 02 February 2017, 08:49:16
One that doesn't mean OOF Members are required to contribute towards the cost of ownership and running it, be it through Paid Membership,  Adverts or other forms of Fee's.  :P ;) :y

That's no excuse zirk and you know it. I demand a referendum! ;D ;)

Because I'm a big softie.

Jesus don't let that get out, will you ;)

The front end router that ultimately connects to the internet (and which has a bug I need to report in that it can't route, and another around L2TP possibly related to first) is a single point of failure I'm afraid.

We could sell you something for that, you know... and I know for a fact that a pair of fully loaded 4800s would keep most of your house toasty warm!  :D