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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 30 January 2017, 17:48:33
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Because, apparently, they could become a thing of the past for new cars. A few companies are now selling direct online (Hyundai have an ad running just now) and more may follow.
I never, ever buy a new car and, if I did, it wouldn't be online. But these things have a habit of catching on.
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Once we all use driver less cars, there will be no private ownership as it will be much cheaper to use as needed. :y
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Once we all use driver less cars, there will be no private ownership as it will be much cheaper to use as needed. :y
Not in our lifetime, old fella.
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Once we all use driver less cars, there will be no private ownership as it will be much cheaper to use as needed. :y
Not in our lifetime, old fella.
This will be here sooner than you think as there is too much money to be made for it not to happen. Ford is gearing up for early 2020's mass production.
Recent statistics show that Tesla self-driving cars has about 30% of the accident rate compared to their non-self-driving ones.
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Our resident pikey used car seller, that dodgy joshwyatt, is hard to dislike....
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Our resident pikey used car seller, that dodgy joshwyatt, is hard to dislike....
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Indeed, most affable if he answers the phone... ::)
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Once we all use driver less cars, there will be no private ownership as it will be much cheaper to use as needed. :y
Not in our lifetime, old fella.
This will be here sooner than you think as there is too much money to be made for it not to happen. Ford is gearing up for early 2020's mass production.
Recent statistics show that Tesla self-driving cars has about 30% of the accident rate compared to their non-self-driving ones.
No, it won't be here sooner than I think, anymore than the robots I used to see on tomorrow's world.
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In answer to the question I think we all dislike salesmen be they selling cars or carrots
They all must have a deep self loathing and feel that a ''career'' in sales is their penance ;D
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No point beating around the bush here ::)
I do try not to jump down there throat when they come over because I know they are just doing a job to pay the bills ect BUT I really do hate ALL salesmen with a passion ;D
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No problems with salesman of any type, just straight talk them & refuse to listen to any bullshit.
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I would like to come and have a look at your Nissan (the only one) tomorrow.
Dealer - Fine
So get the MIL up and ready and off we go, 90 minutes journey using pay motorway to save time. Had a bit of difficulty finding the place. Total time invested 5 hours.
here to look at the car.
Ah it isn't here, the customer is keeping it a few more days till his new car turns up.
For once in my life I could not speak.
Dealer. Pay me 300 euros and you can be the first to look at it next week.
Still couldn't speak. haven't been back
Car salesmen - love em.
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Some years ago I wanted to test drive a Volvo 960. A big but very powerful beast.
Got in the car with sales guy, started it up, and commented that the fuel light was on. Sales guy assured me it was ok and off we went.
No prizes for guessing what happened some miles away from the garage, requiring the very red-faced sales guy to call a colleague for ugent assistance.
. . . . . yes I did buy the car, possibly the best (but thirstiest) car I've ever had
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Insignia VXR needed a £10 top up halfway through a three mile test drive in Sluff :o
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Some years ago I wanted to test drive a Volvo 960. A big but very powerful beast.
Got in the car with sales guy, started it up, and commented that the fuel light was on. Sales guy assured me it was ok and off we went.
No prizes for guessing what happened some miles away from the garage, requiring the very red-faced sales guy to call a colleague for ugent assistance.
. . . . . yes I did buy the car, possibly the best (but thirstiest) car I've ever had
I can sympathise with that..
A couple years ago we used to have a Volvo 740 estate, big old beast of a car.... unbelievably thirsty....
HAD to put a minimum of £30 in the tank for it to last a couple of days, and I mean a couple of days too....
The only time it was economical is when I sold it to a fella a few miles away, and even he brought it back saying that its really thirsty and couldnt afford to run it (I did tell him it was thirsty) I refuesd to give him his money back (I couldnt anyway as we'd just bought a 50 inch Plasma TV with the proceedings...) he went away a bit disgruntled... Then rang at 3 in the morning to ask where the locking key was for the wheels... I genuinly didnt know coz I never needed or wanted to take the wheels off the thing....
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Going back about twenty years, a near neighbour had a 472 engined Cadillac for a while and he reckoned he might get to Maidstone and back on £10 worth of fuel. That's a round trip of 14 miles :o Makes a V12 Jag look economical
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No, it won't be here sooner than I think, anymore than the robots I used to see on tomorrow's world.
Where I think it will happen first is HGV's, no driver's salary to pay, no paid legal rest periods, trucks that can drive absolutely optimally to conserve fuel based on load weight, incline, traffic conditions etc. There must be a fortune to be made/saved in Europe's road based economy. I think we'll end up only using humans to do the few miles between localised depots and shops/delivery addresses.
Ultimately I think that personal car ownership will fade away for the masses, but changing mindsets will take at least a generation or two I think. I reckon that the millennials will probably be the last generation for which personal car ownership is the norm.
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No, it won't be here sooner than I think, anymore than the robots I used to see on tomorrow's world.
Where I think it will happen first is HGV's, no driver's salary to pay, no paid legal rest periods, trucks that can drive absolutely optimally to conserve fuel based on load weight, incline, traffic conditions etc. There must be a fortune to be made/saved in Europe's road based economy. I think we'll end up only using humans to do the few miles between localised depots and shops/delivery addresses.
Ultimately I think that personal car ownership will fade away for the masses, but changing mindsets will take at least a generation or two I think. I reckon that the millennials will probably be the last generation for which personal car ownership is the norm.
You might well be right, and it must be an attractive prospect for hauliers to do away with the driver, but, it's interesting that full automation would be much more straightforward on the rail networks and in the skies (in class A airspace, at any rate). Both domains where you have pretty much a fully controlled environment (weather aside). You know where every vehicle is and you haven't got to worry about erratic drivers or kids stepping out into the road. Yet, we still have pilots and train drivers.
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Some years ago I wanted to test drive a Volvo 960. A big but very powerful beast.
Got in the car with sales guy, started it up, and commented that the fuel light was on. Sales guy assured me it was ok and off we went.
No prizes for guessing what happened some miles away from the garage, requiring the very red-faced sales guy to call a colleague for ugent assistance.
. . . . . yes I did buy the car, possibly the best (but thirstiest) car I've ever had
I can sympathise with that..
A couple years ago we used to have a Volvo 740 estate, big old beast of a car.... unbelievably thirsty....
HAD to put a minimum of £30 in the tank for it to last a couple of days, and I mean a couple of days too....
The only time it was economical is when I sold it to a fella a few miles away, and even he brought it back saying that its really thirsty and couldnt afford to run it (I did tell him it was thirsty) I refuesd to give him his money back (I couldnt anyway as we'd just bought a 50 inch Plasma TV with the proceedings...) he went away a bit disgruntled... Then rang at 3 in the morning to ask where the locking key was for the wheels... I genuinly didnt know coz I never needed or wanted to take the wheels off the thing....
My wife still has a 940. Compared with the old 960 the 940 is almost frugal. 940s are mostly 2.0 or 2.3 four pots with or without turbos. The 960 was 3.0 straight 6. MPG was terrifying, but it went like shit off a shovel. :D
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No, it won't be here sooner than I think, anymore than the robots I used to see on tomorrow's world.
Where I think it will happen first is HGV's, no driver's salary to pay, no paid legal rest periods, trucks that can drive absolutely optimally to conserve fuel based on load weight, incline, traffic conditions etc. There must be a fortune to be made/saved in Europe's road based economy. I think we'll end up only using humans to do the few miles between localised depots and shops/delivery addresses.
Ultimately I think that personal car ownership will fade away for the masses, but changing mindsets will take at least a generation or two I think. I reckon that the millennials will probably be the last generation for which personal car ownership is the norm.
Please god let you be right. No more lorries overtaking each other on dual carriageways. Heaven.
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Insignia VXR needed a £10 top up halfway through a three mile test drive in Sluff :o
As did the Silver Bullet, but I did buy it in the end :)
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No, it won't be here sooner than I think, anymore than the robots I used to see on tomorrow's world.
Where I think it will happen first is HGV's, no driver's salary to pay, no paid legal rest periods, trucks that can drive absolutely optimally to conserve fuel based on load weight, incline, traffic conditions etc. There must be a fortune to be made/saved in Europe's road based economy. I think we'll end up only using humans to do the few miles between localised depots and shops/delivery addresses.
Ultimately I think that personal car ownership will fade away for the masses, but changing mindsets will take at least a generation or two I think. I reckon that the millennials will probably be the last generation for which personal car ownership is the norm.
Please god let you be right. No more lorries overtaking each other on dual carriageways. Heaven.
Yes there's no way that an auto-pilot won't base a decision on the speed differential, available performance, road space, required ETA and whether it has a pain in the diodes down its left side, and overtake a slightly slower moving vehicle in the 3/4 mile stretch of dual carriageway.
I share Kevin's opinion: self driving vehicles will require a massive change in the way that everybody uses the roads, whether they are drivers, cyclists, pedestrians or wandering dogs. And that isn't going to happen any time soon. It would make every existing vehicle worthless, and there are too many vested interests to let that happen. It's more likely that we make the rail network an affordable first choice for commuting and long distance travel, and if that happens the Devil will skate to work.
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This is it, with my old Astra parked out front ....
Hope the link works LOL
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5295902,-2.6113346,3a,15y,332.03h,78.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHlrilsrQuQLPKUml1lvNag!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Ours was a 2.3 low blow 4 pot, so might have been a 940 GLE I think... we didnt have ot long TBH
But got ourselves a V70 estate 2.4 D5 now.....
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This is it, with my old Astra parked out front ....
Hope the link works LOL
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5295902,-2.6113346,3a,15y,332.03h,78.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHlrilsrQuQLPKUml1lvNag!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Ours was a 2.3 low blow 4 pot, so might have been a 940 GLE I think... we didnt have ot long TBH
But got ourselves a V70 estate 2.4 D5 now.....
When you going to get that lawn cut ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The dog over the road seems to be enjoying himself ;D
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The dog over the road seems to be enjoying himself ;D
Its destroyed the kids bike thing ;D ;D ;D
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That pic was taken back in 2009.... sez so on the left of the screen...
The 'lawn' was cut once a week, it grows ruddy fast round here... and the 'lawn' aint there anymore, it got paved over about 2 years ago....
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The dog over the road seems to be enjoying himself ;D
Assuming it isn't brown bread from the evil google radiation. :D
First time i've ever seen a pub garden table in someones private front garden before I must admit. Strange goings on in these parts. :P ;)
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Have to remember - it is Wigan... LOL
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Have to remember - it is Wigan... LOL
Got a pier and everything :D
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No, it won't be here sooner than I think, anymore than the robots I used to see on tomorrow's world.
Where I think it will happen first is HGV's, no driver's salary to pay, no paid legal rest periods, trucks that can drive absolutely optimally to conserve fuel based on load weight, incline, traffic conditions etc. There must be a fortune to be made/saved in Europe's road based economy. I think we'll end up only using humans to do the few miles between localised depots and shops/delivery addresses.
Ultimately I think that personal car ownership will fade away for the masses, but changing mindsets will take at least a generation or two I think. I reckon that the millennials will probably be the last generation for which personal car ownership is the norm.
You might well be right, and it must be an attractive prospect for hauliers to do away with the driver, but, it's interesting that full automation would be much more straightforward on the rail networks and in the skies (in class A airspace, at any rate). Both domains where you have pretty much a fully controlled environment (weather aside). You know where every vehicle is and you haven't got to worry about erratic drivers or kids stepping out into the road. Yet, we still have pilots and train drivers.
True, but I think both are probably not *strictly*required, the DLR for example runs very well with no train drivers, and AFAIK planes can basically fly themselves. However, as always with these things, the tech will come first, the regulatory framework will lag behind.
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Yet, we still have pilots and train drivers.
We only have the latter when they're not on strike for the third time in January.. ;D
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Yet, we still have pilots and train drivers.
We only have the latter when they're not on strike for the third time in January.. ;D
All the more reason to make them obsolete, surely? Never met a computer that's joined a union. That's not to say they can't be as belligerent and awkward, mind... ;)
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Yet, we still have pilots and train drivers.
We only have the latter when they're not on strike for the third time in January.. ;D
All the more reason to make them obsolete, surely? Never met a computer that's joined a union. That's not to say they can't be as belligerent and awkward, mind... ;)
I'd have replied earlier but our internet connection at work was being belligerent and awkward, as if to make a point! But yes.. so surely if it was so easy to automate them (and, considering they're easier than cars..) it would have been done already (which, I realise, was your point :))
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Aaron, I suspect it is easy to do, bit the objections from the unions would make it near-impossible to implement - and we all would have to pay for all the drivers who went straight on benefits as a result! ::)
Ron.
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Have to remember - it is Wigan... LOL
Got a pier and everything :D
It has and its gt a road to it too..... Sadly the 'Pier' is just a little bit of wood sticking out nowadays.... George Orwell did Wigan proud once upon a time, so did George Formby come to think of it....
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Aaron, I suspect it is easy to do, bit the objections from the unions would make it near-impossible to implement - and we all would have to pay for all the drivers who went straight on benefits as a result! ::)
Ron.
DLR seems to work OK ;)
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Aaron, I suspect it is easy to do, bit the objections from the unions would make it near-impossible to implement - and we all would have to pay for all the drivers who went straight on benefits as a result! ::)
Ron.
DLR seems to work OK ;)
But the DLR was built from the outset to be automated, wasn't it?
I presume the rest of the network would need significant upgrades in signalling at least in order to support automated trains? Which is probably a bigger sticking point than those pesky fleshy human driver things..
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No, it won't be here sooner than I think, anymore than the robots I used to see on tomorrow's world.
Where I think it will happen first is HGV's, no driver's salary to pay, no paid legal rest periods, trucks that can drive absolutely optimally to conserve fuel based on load weight, incline, traffic conditions etc. There must be a fortune to be made/saved in Europe's road based economy. I think we'll end up only using humans to do the few miles between localised depots and shops/delivery addresses.
Ultimately I think that personal car ownership will fade away for the masses, but changing mindsets will take at least a generation or two I think. I reckon that the millennials will probably be the last generation for which personal car ownership is the norm.
Please god let you be right. No more lorries overtaking each other on dual carriageways. Heaven.
They don't overtake. They just run along side each other for 20 miles. :-\
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Car sellers seem to have much the same attitude to their customers whatever car they sell,
It could be a £159 'clonker' parked on a run down piece of waste land or a £30000 luxury model. The salesman will still have the same sneering 'fu*k you attitude.
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Car salesmen lose interest in me very quickly. As soon as they appear, I say "I won't be needing the car supaguarded and I won't be needing gap insurance. It will be a cash sale, no finance".
There goes their kids Christmas presents. :)
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Car salesmen lose interest in me very quickly. As soon as they appear, I say "I won't be needing the car supaguarded and I won't be needing gap insurance. It will be a cash sale, no finance".
There goes their kids Christmas presents. :)
You're all heart :D
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Car salesmen lose interest in me very quickly. As soon as they appear, I say "I won't be needing the car supaguarded and I won't be needing gap insurance. It will be a cash sale, no finance".
There goes their kids Christmas presents. :)
Yes...same here.
Finance/PCP deals is what they like best.
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How about alloy wheel cover sir?
Key cover sir?
Tyre cover sir?
Insurance cover for loss of self confidence as a result of your wife assuming you're dead and running of with the butcher because you've been so long buying this bastard car because "we have to tell you about these products because the FSA told us... BULL FNARKING SPIT! They did not INSIST you try up-sell me; HORSERADISH!
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Car salesmen lose interest in me very quickly. As soon as they appear, I say "I won't be needing the car supaguarded and I won't be needing gap insurance. It will be a cash sale, no finance".
There goes their kids Christmas presents. :)
When I bought my car they added this and about £4000 of other useless crap to the invoice. Perhaps they thought I wouldn't notice.
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Car salesmen lose interest in me very quickly. As soon as they appear, I say "I won't be needing the car supaguarded and I won't be needing gap insurance. It will be a cash sale, no finance".
There goes their kids Christmas presents. :)
When I bought my car they added this and about £4000 of other useless crap to the invoice. Perhaps they thought I wouldn't notice.
I expect you paid it M'lud where it was not worth your time arguing over pennies. ::) ::) ::)
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Daimler and Uber announce 'robocar' deal
https://www.wired.com/2017/02/ubers-mercedes-alliance-clever-new-route-self-driving-dominance/ (https://www.wired.com/2017/02/ubers-mercedes-alliance-clever-new-route-self-driving-dominance/)
Worth watching the videos at the bottom of the above article on latest 'robovehicle' trials.