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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Lincs Robert on 28 March 2017, 15:55:22
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I've just read a review of the new Grand Insignia, top of the range 2.0 petrol (250 bhp) Elite, 4x4, 8 speed auto, Nav. Price - about £28k.
That's significantly LESS than the Omega Elite price at launch, in 1994, some 23 years ago ...
Interesting, very interesting.......
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I've just read a review of the new Grand Insignia, top of the range 2.0 petrol (250 bhp) Elite, 4x4, 8 speed auto, Nav. Price - about £28k.
That's significantly LESS than the Omega Elite price at launch, in 1994, some 23 years ago ...
Interesting, very interesting.......
Vauxhall do appear to have very keen prices at the moment, I'm looking at Zafira Touers. Around £10k gets me say 1.4T Elite on around 63 plate with sub 20k miles, so very good value.
Apply same to Ford, same £10k only gets me 60/61 plate examples, with around 50/60k on the clock.
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IIRC, vauxhall also have some bonkers warranty deal on at the moment that lasts your lifetime, or 100k, whichever comes first.
Given the age of the average OOFer, I have my suspicions as to what will come first :P
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IIRC, vauxhall also have some bonkers warranty deal on at the moment that lasts your lifetime, or 100k, whichever comes first.
Given the age of the average OOFer, I have my suspicions as to what will come first :P
That was dropped :y
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/88802/vauxhall-abandons-its-lifetime-warranty-on-new-cars (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/88802/vauxhall-abandons-its-lifetime-warranty-on-new-cars)
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And some time ago it seems! :o
Clearly I'm not paying enough attention to VX's current offerings.
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And some time ago it seems! :o
Clearly I'm not paying enough attention to VX's current offerings.
I think their offerings are not as good as others.....
Mondeo is better looking, nicer driver and better interior than Insignia.
Zafira Tourer is significantly cheaper than S-Max (S/H), but lacks true middle ISO Fix/Full size seat and looks dull compared to S-Max in Sport trim.
... but they are very cheap. Insignia & Zaf's very well priced especially second hand. Forcing me to look over some of the bits I don't like about them. :-\
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Possibly something to do with the new tax rates having a purchase price element :-\
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I've just read a review of the new Grand Insignia, top of the range 2.0 petrol (250 bhp) Elite, 4x4, 8 speed auto, Nav. Price - about £28k.
That's significantly LESS than the Omega Elite price at launch, in 1994, some 23 years ago ...
Interesting, very interesting.......
It was possible to pay the best part of £20k for a Cavalier at one point!
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True but you've bought a Passat diesel, so have clearly given up...
I love it, out of everything I saw/looked at/test drove it ticked all my boxes for toys I wanted, economy, practicality, cost and age. So given up? Nope.
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The 3.2 Elite was around £32000 in 2003. I doubt anyone paid it though.
Heavy discounts, I imagine. :y
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The 3.2 Elite was around £32000 in 2003. I doubt anyone paid it though.
Heavy discounts, I imagine. :y
My 3.2 Elite list price was £32000 in 2001. I bought it in 2002 at 1 year old for £16500. It also had full Irmscher so presume that would have been extra cost on top of £32000. It was an ex Vauxhall Management car - I always thought Irmscher was factory fitted but some say on here that it never was??
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The 3.2 Elite was around £32000 in 2003. I doubt anyone paid it though.
Heavy discounts, I imagine. :y
Agreed, but as the majority went to company car drivers - the driver would be paying a BIK tax on the list price .....
Prices did fall soon after though
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IIRC, vauxhall also have some bonkers warranty deal on at the moment that lasts your lifetime, or 100k, whichever comes first.
Given the age of the average OOFer, I have my suspicions as to what will come first :P
That was dropped :y
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/88802/vauxhall-abandons-its-lifetime-warranty-on-new-cars (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/88802/vauxhall-abandons-its-lifetime-warranty-on-new-cars)
Quietly dropped, probably. Not something they would wish to shout about.
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I've just read a review of the new Grand Insignia, top of the range 2.0 petrol (250 bhp) Elite, 4x4, 8 speed auto, Nav. Price - about £28k.
That's significantly LESS than the Omega Elite price at launch, in 1994, some 23 years ago ...
Interesting, very interesting.......
It was possible to pay the best part of £20k for a Cavalier at one point!
I once bought a Vectra 2.5 CDX Full leather... Auto .... Around 2000 yr iirc .... about £23k new ... 9 months and 6k miles on it £12k :y ex Vx management....
Had a race once with Subaru Impreza (on a private race track of course!) .... The Vx held its own and was only when the vx locked the torque converter up at 125mph ... that the Subaru started to gain distance on me.....Still not bad for not a sports car with an auto box :y
Annoying point of the autobox I remember was it used to put the g/b in to N when sitting still....So go for for a quick get away and the g/b used to thump into 1st ......
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I'm looking at Zafira Touers. Around £10k gets me say 1.4T Elite on around 63 plate with sub 20k miles, so very good value.
Properly test drive one first. That little 1.4 turbo is a great little engine, but a Battlebus is big, heavy and as aerodynamic as a brick.
Not driven that combo before, but would imagine you might have to wring its neck a bit :-\. In a (lighter, more aerodynamic) Astra, it does seem to pull well from 2000rpm (relatively speaking)
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I've just read a review of the new Grand Insignia, top of the range 2.0 petrol (250 bhp) Elite, 4x4, 8 speed auto, Nav. Price - about £28k.
That's significantly LESS than the Omega Elite price at launch, in 1994, some 23 years ago ...
Interesting, very interesting.......
It was possible to pay the best part of £20k for a Cavalier at one point!
I once bought a Vectra 2.5 CDX Full leather... Auto .... Around 2000 yr iirc .... about £23k new ... 9 months and 6k miles on it £12k :y ex Vx management....
Had a race once with Subaru Impreza (on a private race track of course!) .... The Vx held its own and was only when the vx locked the torque converter up at 125mph ... that the Subaru started to gain distance on me.....Still not bad for not a sports car with an auto box :y
Annoying point of the autobox I remember was it used to put the g/b in to N when sitting still....So go for for a quick get away and the g/b used to thump into 1st ......
My 3.0 cdti Signum used to do the neutral at idle bit,as you say bloody nuisance when in a hurry
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I'm looking at Zafira Touers. Around £10k gets me say 1.4T Elite on around 63 plate with sub 20k miles, so very good value.
Properly test drive one first. That little 1.4 turbo is a great little engine, but a Battlebus is big, heavy and as aerodynamic as a brick.
Not driven that combo before, but would imagine you might have to wring its neck a bit :-\. In a (lighter, more aerodynamic) Astra, it does seem to pull well from 2000rpm (relatively speaking)
I guess the manu's are just fitting bigger turbos....to get the power output....im still not sure what that does to engine in long levity states.. :-\
It might get fuel consumption up and exhaust emissions down.....but a 1.4T or even a diesel 1.6T like mine.....getting near 300k :-\
Which I'm sure some of the 3.2's 2.6's Omega are capable of.....or even a 2.0TD..... :-\
My 1.6TD is on 160k....and still going strong.....even after the cambelt snapped.....new cambelt kit fixed it....don't think that would happen on an omega tho ;D
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I'm looking at Zafira Touers. Around £10k gets me say 1.4T Elite on around 63 plate with sub 20k miles, so very good value.
Properly test drive one first. That little 1.4 turbo is a great little engine, but a Battlebus is big, heavy and as aerodynamic as a brick.
Not driven that combo before, but would imagine you might have to wring its neck a bit :-\. In a (lighter, more aerodynamic) Astra, it does seem to pull well from 2000rpm (relatively speaking)
Yes, this is huge concern of mine. The bugger is petrol + auto = 1.4T engine, there is no other petrol auto combination. >:(
Forums say it's actually ok for around town and A roads and does not feel underpowered, but, that Turbo will be working hard all the time. :-\
The S-Max has a much more acceptable 2.0 Turbo Petrol, with around 200 ponies.
I'm looking at Zafira Touers. Around £10k gets me say 1.4T Elite on around 63 plate with sub 20k miles, so very good value.
Properly test drive one first. That little 1.4 turbo is a great little engine, but a Battlebus is big, heavy and as aerodynamic as a brick.
Not driven that combo before, but would imagine you might have to wring its neck a bit :-\. In a (lighter, more aerodynamic) Astra, it does seem to pull well from 2000rpm (relatively speaking)
I guess the manu's are just fitting bigger turbos....to get the power output....im still not sure what that does to engine in long levity states.. :-\
It might get fuel consumption up and exhaust emissions down.....but a 1.4T or even a diesel 1.6T like mine.....getting near 300k :-\
Which I'm sure some of the 3.2's 2.6's Omega are capable of.....or even a 2.0TD..... :-\
My 1.6TD is on 160k....and still going strong.....even after the cambelt snapped.....new cambelt kit fixed it....don't think that would happen on an omega tho ;D
Positive to hear, it might just be a mindset thing of: 1.4 + Big car = No :-\
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1.4 Turbo with a slush box in a Zafira?
Well, if the objective is to make the Passat seem less dull. ;)
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1.4 Turbo with a slush box in a Zafira?
Well, if the objective is to make the Passat seem less dull. ;)
I like these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1)
But they aint cheap, same price gets me a much newer and low miles Zaf.
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No experience of the Zaf, however I once drove an S-max from Munich down to Bruneck in Italy and back again for work. I had it 3 weeks in all, did about 600km all up. I found it very refined and comfortable for the type of car, it also swallowed 5 adults plus skiing/snowboarding gear with ease once the middle middle seat of the middle row was folded (I do miss the factory at the foot of a ski slope!).
Cost must certainly be a factor, however I would give an s-max serious thought!
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No experience of the Zaf, however I once drove an S-max from Munich down to Bruneck in Italy and back again for work. I had it 3 weeks in all, did about 600km all up. I found it very refined and comfortable for the type of car, it also swallowed 5 adults plus skiing/snowboarding gear with ease once the middle middle seat of the middle row was folded (I do miss the factory at the foot of a ski slope!).
Cost must certainly be a factor, however I would give an s-max serious thought!
Interestingly, Ford regard the SMax as the "same" vehicle as the Mk4 Mondeo. Ok, different panels etc, but the floor pan and all mechanicals/electrics are Mondeo Mk4 estate based.
If interested, then use Google to Find Ford & Etis, this will bring up a page where you can enter a Ford reg number & it will give the vehicle spec as built - rather useful if looking to buy as many adverts are misleading. HTH
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No experience of the Zaf, however I once drove an S-max from Munich down to Bruneck in Italy and back again for work. I had it 3 weeks in all, did about 600km all up. I found it very refined and comfortable for the type of car, it also swallowed 5 adults plus skiing/snowboarding gear with ease once the middle middle seat of the middle row was folded (I do miss the factory at the foot of a ski slope!).
Cost must certainly be a factor, however I would give an s-max serious thought!
Good to hear, I've heard good things about them. Middle seat in back row is also full size, unlike in the Zaf.
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S-Max is a size up from the Zafira and hence the feature, engine range and price difference.
As for longevity of any small turbo engines, its nothing to worry about in reality, the turbo is no more strained than on any other vehicle and the internals are more than robust enough to handle 140bhp. The fact they have VVT and variable vane means they are pretty good at managing heat etc
I find the 1.4 Turbo in the wife's car quite an easy drive and it has an astonishing amount of torque low down for a petrol but, her car is a few hundred kgs lighter!
Not sure I would be concerned about a centre seat Isofix to much.....unless your planning to 'get on it' significantly in the next few months, last thing you really want is a child within plain sight of the windscreen if you can help it ;D :D
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No experience of the Zaf, however I once drove an S-max from Munich down to Bruneck in Italy and back again for work. I had it 3 weeks in all, did about 600km all up. I found it very refined and comfortable for the type of car, it also swallowed 5 adults plus skiing/snowboarding gear with ease once the middle middle seat of the middle row was folded (I do miss the factory at the foot of a ski slope!).
Cost must certainly be a factor, however I would give an s-max serious thought!
Interestingly, Ford regard the SMax as the "same" vehicle as the Mk4 Mondeo. Ok, different panels etc, but the floor pan and all mechanicals/electrics are Mondeo Mk4 estate based.
If interested, then use Google to Find Ford & Etis, this will bring up a page where you can enter a Ford reg number & it will give the vehicle spec as built - rather useful if looking to buy as many adverts are misleading. HTH
The SMax is a Galaxy with a small boot... if you want an estate car, buy one. If you want a people carrier buy a Galaxy/Sharon. If you want a people carrier with genuine luggage capacity then buy a long wheelbase low roof Transit/Vivaro/Vito.
Incidentally, what does Mrs T want?
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1.4 Turbo with a slush box in a Zafira?
Well, if the objective is to make the Passat seem less dull. ;)
I like these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1)
But they aint cheap, same price gets me a much newer and low miles Zaf.
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£11650 for a 7 year old Ford just ripe for expensive repairs. Has the world gone mad?.... :o :o :o :o
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S-Max is a size up from the Zafira and hence the feature, engine range and price difference.
As for longevity of any small turbo engines, its nothing to worry about in reality, the turbo is no more strained than on any other vehicle and the internals are more than robust enough to handle 140bhp. The fact they have VVT and variable vane means they are pretty good at managing heat etc
I find the 1.4 Turbo in the wife's car quite an easy drive and it has an astonishing amount of torque low down for a petrol but, her car is a few hundred kgs lighter!
Not sure I would be concerned about a centre seat Isofix to much.....unless your planning to 'get on it' significantly in the next few months, last thing you really want is a child within plain sight of the windscreen if you can help it ;D :D
Thanks Mark :y :y - I would not mind a Zaf, as it fit's nicely in my budget plans.
Reasoning for centre ISO, is MrsT's sisters have young children, I can see it being useful having 3 ISO's in the middle, they would be used.
Also going on the fact sister-in-law has taken our daughter out for the afternoon with her 2, while the other one was at school. So she used the spare seat, that said, I guess we could soon get away with a booster in the middle, but having said that backless boosters appear to be soon illegal:
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/ (http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/)
The Zaf's setup of seatbelt only in the middle would be a pain, it's the SIL's main gripe with their big Zaf Tourer and are now looking at Fords (S-Max & Galaxy)
I also would want the rear two seats only for luggage/occasional use, something about them being that close to the rear screen makes me shudder.
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1.4 Turbo with a slush box in a Zafira?
Well, if the objective is to make the Passat seem less dull. ;)
I like these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1)
But they aint cheap, same price gets me a much newer and low miles Zaf.
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£11650 for a 7 year old Ford just ripe for expensive repairs. Has the world gone mad?.... :o :o :o :o
It has, some people pay 50quid a month to tax a Vectra :P
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1.4 Turbo with a slush box in a Zafira?
Well, if the objective is to make the Passat seem less dull. ;)
I like these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1)
But they aint cheap, same price gets me a much newer and low miles Zaf.
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£11650 for a 7 year old Ford just ripe for expensive repairs. Has the world gone mad?.... :o :o :o :o
It has, some people pay 50quid a month to tax a Vectra :P
Ah.....but the Signum is a very superior Vectra. :P :P :P :P.......and it costs a paltry £45 each month to tax. ;)
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1.4 Turbo with a slush box in a Zafira?
Well, if the objective is to make the Passat seem less dull. ;)
I like these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1)
But they aint cheap, same price gets me a much newer and low miles Zaf.
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£11650 for a 7 year old Ford just ripe for expensive repairs. Has the world gone mad?.... :o :o :o :o
It has, some people pay 50quid a month to tax a Vectra :P
Oooooo....that will hurt :'( ;D
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1.4 Turbo with a slush box in a Zafira?
Well, if the objective is to make the Passat seem less dull. ;)
I like these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1)
But they aint cheap, same price gets me a much newer and low miles Zaf.
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£11650 for a 7 year old Ford just ripe for expensive repairs. Has the world gone mad?.... :o :o :o :o
It has, some people pay 50quid a month to tax a Vectra :P
Oooooo....that will hurt :'( ;D
I can understand if it was something like a Monaro or VXR8, I'd pay £50 a month to tax on one of those bad boys.
But a posh Vectra Estate? :P :P
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S-Max is a size up from the Zafira and hence the feature, engine range and price difference.
As for longevity of any small turbo engines, its nothing to worry about in reality, the turbo is no more strained than on any other vehicle and the internals are more than robust enough to handle 140bhp. The fact they have VVT and variable vane means they are pretty good at managing heat etc
I find the 1.4 Turbo in the wife's car quite an easy drive and it has an astonishing amount of torque low down for a petrol but, her car is a few hundred kgs lighter!
Not sure I would be concerned about a centre seat Isofix to much.....unless your planning to 'get on it' significantly in the next few months, last thing you really want is a child within plain sight of the windscreen if you can help it ;D :D
Thanks Mark :y :y - I would not mind a Zaf, as it fit's nicely in my budget plans.
Reasoning for centre ISO, is MrsT's sisters have young children, I can see it being useful having 3 ISO's in the middle, they would be used.
Also going on the fact sister-in-law has taken our daughter out for the afternoon with her 2, while the other one was at school. So she used the spare seat, that said, I guess we could soon get away with a booster in the middle, but having said that backless boosters appear to be soon illegal:
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/ (http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/)
The Zaf's setup of seatbelt only in the middle would be a pain, it's the SIL's main gripe with their big Zaf Tourer and are now looking at Fords (S-Max & Galaxy)
I also would want the rear two seats only for luggage/occasional use, something about them being that close to the rear screen makes me shudder.
Too add, I think the Galaxy looks better option. Cheaper and bigger! But again, Petrol Auto's are limiting in number, so might have to look at diesels :(
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S-Max is a size up from the Zafira and hence the feature, engine range and price difference.
As for longevity of any small turbo engines, its nothing to worry about in reality, the turbo is no more strained than on any other vehicle and the internals are more than robust enough to handle 140bhp. The fact they have VVT and variable vane means they are pretty good at managing heat etc
I find the 1.4 Turbo in the wife's car quite an easy drive and it has an astonishing amount of torque low down for a petrol but, her car is a few hundred kgs lighter!
Not sure I would be concerned about a centre seat Isofix to much.....unless your planning to 'get on it' significantly in the next few months, last thing you really want is a child within plain sight of the windscreen if you can help it ;D :D
Thanks Mark :y :y - I would not mind a Zaf, as it fit's nicely in my budget plans.
Reasoning for centre ISO, is MrsT's sisters have young children, I can see it being useful having 3 ISO's in the middle, they would be used.
Also going on the fact sister-in-law has taken our daughter out for the afternoon with her 2, while the other one was at school. So she used the spare seat, that said, I guess we could soon get away with a booster in the middle, but having said that backless boosters appear to be soon illegal:
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/ (http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/)
The Zaf's setup of seatbelt only in the middle would be a pain, it's the SIL's main gripe with their big Zaf Tourer and are now looking at Fords (S-Max & Galaxy)
I also would want the rear two seats only for luggage/occasional use, something about them being that close to the rear screen makes me shudder.
most people carriers have the rear most seats close to the tailgate,just something you gotta live with :-\
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Thanks Mark :y :y - I would not mind a Zaf, as it fit's nicely in my budget plans.
Reasoning for centre ISO, is MrsT's sisters have young children, I can see it being useful having 3 ISO's in the middle, they would be used.
Also going on the fact sister-in-law has taken our daughter out for the afternoon with her 2, while the other one was at school. So she used the spare seat, that said, I guess we could soon get away with a booster in the middle, but having said that backless boosters appear to be soon illegal:
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/ (http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/)
The Zaf's setup of seatbelt only in the middle would be a pain, it's the SIL's main gripe with their big Zaf Tourer and are now looking at Fords (S-Max & Galaxy)
I also would want the rear two seats only for luggage/occasional use, something about them being that close to the rear screen makes me shudder.
Just use a seat belt on a childs seat if you get that stuck, we have Isofix and never ever used it (as they had rear facing seats when very small and then 5 point harness strapped in with the seat belt setup followed by booster seats with side/back)
As for the rear impact, its no more severe or dangerous than a side impact.......
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Thanks Mark :y :y - I would not mind a Zaf, as it fit's nicely in my budget plans.
Reasoning for centre ISO, is MrsT's sisters have young children, I can see it being useful having 3 ISO's in the middle, they would be used.
Also going on the fact sister-in-law has taken our daughter out for the afternoon with her 2, while the other one was at school. So she used the spare seat, that said, I guess we could soon get away with a booster in the middle, but having said that backless boosters appear to be soon illegal:
http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/ (http://www.which.co.uk/news/2016/04/new-booster-seats-ban-439787/)
The Zaf's setup of seatbelt only in the middle would be a pain, it's the SIL's main gripe with their big Zaf Tourer and are now looking at Fords (S-Max & Galaxy)
I also would want the rear two seats only for luggage/occasional use, something about them being that close to the rear screen makes me shudder.
Just use a seat belt on a childs seat if you get that stuck, we have Isofix and never ever used it (as they had rear facing seats when very small and then 5 point harness strapped in with the seat belt setup followed by booster seats with side/back)
As for the rear impact, its no more severe or dangerous than a side impact.......
So in the VW I have Maxi-Cosi Family Fix base, which allows the 0-2 seat to just clip in (rear facing). Very useful when transferring from house or Pram (iCandy with adaptors) - The base also then takes the Tobi seat from 2-5(ish) years (front facing), all based on the ISOFix. So having 3 of these would be super easy, meaning all 3 seats could take children from 0 to 5, as they all use Maxi-Cosi as well for their own seats.
So we find it really useful, it's also 'feels' more secure. In the 3.2 we have the seat belt versions, Pebble for the base and Seat Belt Toby. It never appears as secure compared to VW. I also had issues getting seatbelt version sector and tight in FatherT's Jag. XF :-\
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3 of them, you say? :o
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1.4 Turbo with a slush box in a Zafira?
Well, if the objective is to make the Passat seem less dull. ;)
I like these...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1 (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702182454470?price-from=10000&radius=1500&postcode=tw89de&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=S-MAX&fuel-type=Petrol&sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=FORD&page=1)
But they aint cheap, same price gets me a much newer and low miles Zaf.
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£11650 for a 7 year old Ford just ripe for expensive repairs. Has the world gone mad?.... :o :o :o :o
It has, some people pay 50quid a month to tax a Vectra :P
Oooooo....that will hurt :'( ;D
I can understand if it was something like a Monaro or VXR8, I'd pay £50 a month to tax on one of those bad boys.
But a posh Vectra Estate? :P :P
I agree, it's not an ideal situation. The car is 2007 rather than 2006 which puts it in the higher tax band. :'(. So I pay a ridiculous £540 a year to tax it.
The good news is that a 2007 Signum can be had for about £1000 and and not the £11650 for the Ford.
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I could spend same amount on a normal tax version, (06 Plate V6) or a 2.2 Direct, but Signum ticks none of the boxes I need. :)
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I know you overlooked it, so I will repeat it...
The SMax is a Galaxy with a small boot... if you want an estate car, buy one. If you want a people carrier buy a Galaxy/Sharon. If you want a people carrier with genuine luggage capacity then buy a long wheelbase low roof Transit/Vivaro/Vito.
Incidentally, what does Mrs T want?
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Needs to be auto and needs to have full 3 seats in middle row, as it will have 70% town life, that means petrol. (not that she is fussed)
So either the Ford or Vauxhall, the VAG's (Seat/VW) 95% diesel with only latest being petrols and only being 1.2 TSi :o
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All the larger options are available with autos ;)
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I also would want the rear two seats only for luggage/occasional use, something about them being that close to the rear screen makes me shudder.
With them up, you have virtually zero boot - room for a couple of carrier bags. But the Zafira does have them permanently fitted in the car, unlike some of the others where you have to clog up your garage/shed when not in use.
And, in the Zaf-A, they are surprisingly comfortable - I sat in one for the first time on hols when Mrs TB drove back from pub, normally it ends up being either mum or Mrs TB in the boot. For me, the middle row of seats had to be slightly forward, which the Zafira allows.
Going by MDTM's posh (Elite) Zaf-B, they are a bigger car than my supposedly posh (Elegance) Zaf-A. Not sure on size difference between Tourer and Zaf-B (certainly, tourer is bigger than my Zaf-A). MDTM's Zaf-B is a damn site more comfortable as well.
However, if you need to cart other peoples little baskets with you, I think you possibly need to except one of 2 options:
1) Learn how to say opps off to them, and get a car that suits your MrsT's needs/budget/capability
or
2) Get a far bigger MPV, such as Galaxy (and clones)/Espace/other crap French shite, and accept the hit on budget and running costs.
As for auto, esp around town, maybe persuade MrsT to take a proper test? It'll likely be useful in the future anyway, even if you still end up with an auto?
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All the larger options are available with autos ;)
Yes, but what is limiting factor is most MPV's are diesel.
600+ Diesel Autos, but only 27 petrol autos. :(
Means very limited choice :'(
I also would want the rear two seats only for luggage/occasional use, something about them being that close to the rear screen makes me shudder.
With them up, you have virtually zero boot - room for a couple of carrier bags. But the Zafira does have them permanently fitted in the car, unlike some of the others where you have to clog up your garage/shed when not in use.
And, in the Zaf-A, they are surprisingly comfortable - I sat in one for the first time on hols when Mrs TB drove back from pub, normally it ends up being either mum or Mrs TB in the boot. For me, the middle row of seats had to be slightly forward, which the Zafira allows.
Going by MDTM's posh (Elite) Zaf-B, they are a bigger car than my supposedly posh (Elegance) Zaf-A. Not sure on size difference between Tourer and Zaf-B (certainly, tourer is bigger than my Zaf-A). MDTM's Zaf-B is a damn site more comfortable as well.
However, if you need to cart other peoples little baskets with you, I think you possibly need to except one of 2 options:
1) Learn how to say opps off to them, and get a car that suits your MrsT's needs/budget/capability
or
2) Get a far bigger MPV, such as Galaxy (and clones)/Espace/other crap French shite, and accept the hit on budget and running costs.
As for auto, esp around town, maybe persuade MrsT to take a proper test? It'll likely be useful in the future anyway, even if you still end up with an auto?
I know a manual is non-starter, it must be an auto. To be honest, after busy days out, an auto is nearly a must for me.
I think my only option is a Galaxy ;D
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I know a manual is non-starter, it must be an auto. To be honest, after busy days out, an auto is nearly a must for me.
Tell her to pass her test, or its shank's pony from now on. Keep a bag of frozen peas handy, to reduce the swelling ;D
I think my only option is a Galaxy ;D
Would the Seat equivalent be cheaper, having an unwanted badge? Or were the Seats all diesel? I imagine the Sharran holds value better due to silly badge on it.
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201612020281238?sort=price-asc&model=TOURNEO%20CUSTOM&postcode=rh202dg&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=FORD&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201608136761281?model=VIVARO&postcode=rh202dg&make=VAUXHALL&transmission=Automatic&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=sponsored&page=1
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702262710119?transmission=Automatic&model=VIANO&sort=price-asc&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&postcode=rh202dg&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&page=1
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-asc&radius=1500&postcode=rh202dg&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=TRANSPORTER%20SHUTTLE&transmission=Automatic&minimum-seats=9&maximum-seats=9
Granted, the Mercedes is the only petrol one and the fuel economy will make you cry... But if you need a vehicle to do a job, get one.
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I know a manual is non-starter, it must be an auto. To be honest, after busy days out, an auto is nearly a must for me.
Tell her to pass her test, or its shank's pony from now on. Keep a bag of frozen peas handy, to reduce the swelling ;D
I think my only option is a Galaxy ;D
Would the Seat equivalent be cheaper, having an unwanted badge? Or were the Seats all diesel? I imagine the Sharran holds value better due to silly badge on it.
I like the Seat, very much and my VAGCOM would work. But sod all petrols, I mean sod all!! All diesel, same 2.0 lump, so I know it takes 10/15 mins to get warm!
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201612020281238?sort=price-asc&model=TOURNEO%20CUSTOM&postcode=rh202dg&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=FORD&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1
She will just tell me it's a van..... which it is. ;D
Diesel, also manual and it's a van. I want some refinement! :D
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201608136761281?model=VIVARO&postcode=rh202dg&make=VAUXHALL&transmission=Automatic&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=sponsored&page=1
Just no :o ;D
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702262710119?transmission=Automatic&model=VIANO&sort=price-asc&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&postcode=rh202dg&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&page=1
In addition to making the 3.2 look good on fuel, Stupid tax rate...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-asc&radius=1500&postcode=rh202dg&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=TRANSPORTER%20SHUTTLE&transmission=Automatic&minimum-seats=9&maximum-seats=9
VW's too pricey.
Realistic list is Galaxy/Sharan/Touran/S-Max/Alhambra/C4-Grand Picasso/Zafira Tourer
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E class estate with rear seat option then...
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I know a manual is non-starter, it must be an auto. To be honest, after busy days out, an auto is nearly a must for me.
Tell her to pass her test, or its shank's pony from now on. Keep a bag of frozen peas handy, to reduce the swelling ;D
I think my only option is a Galaxy ;D
Would the Seat equivalent be cheaper, having an unwanted badge? Or were the Seats all diesel? I imagine the Sharran holds value better due to silly badge on it.
I like the Seat, very much and my VAGCOM would work. But sod all petrols, I mean sod all!! All diesel, same 2.0 lump, so I know it takes 10/15 mins to get warm!
Just seen you have a VAGCOM Tunnie. Could I trouble you to plug it into the Phaeton sometime. Have a slight problem with level sensors - they are on separate circuits but both showing fault according to VW. So they say my options are 2 hours labour whilst they check the wiring from sensors at front of car through to ECU in boot or slap on an ECU at £1000!! So Phaeton potentially getting to the age (8 years) now where gremlins creeping in.
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I know a manual is non-starter, it must be an auto. To be honest, after busy days out, an auto is nearly a must for me.
Tell her to pass her test, or its shank's pony from now on. Keep a bag of frozen peas handy, to reduce the swelling ;D
I think my only option is a Galaxy ;D
Would the Seat equivalent be cheaper, having an unwanted badge? Or were the Seats all diesel? I imagine the Sharran holds value better due to silly badge on it.
I like the Seat, very much and my VAGCOM would work. But sod all petrols, I mean sod all!! All diesel, same 2.0 lump, so I know it takes 10/15 mins to get warm!
Just seen you have a VAGCOM Tunnie. Could I trouble you to plug it into the Phaeton sometime. Have a slight problem with level sensors - they are on separate circuits but both showing fault according to VW. So they say my options are 2 hours labour whilst they check the wiring from sensors at front of car through to ECU in boot or slap on an ECU at £1000!! So Phaeton potentially getting to the age (8 years) now where gremlins creeping in.
Sure, I'm free this weekend? I'm preparing the 2.2 for it's new owner, along with few other bits around the house.
I can pop around in the CC? :y
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I am following this thread with some interest as we are more or less back to the drawing board in our search for a vehicle. Minibuses and transits look more appealing by the day. :'( :'( :'(
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Re economy and tax, large petrol (and diesel) cars will always attract high tax brackets and have poor economy. Sadly this is a cross you will have to bear...
However...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610158809484?fuel-type=Petrol&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=gu154hn&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&radius=1500&model=R%20CLASS&page=1
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IIRC, vauxhall also have some bonkers warranty deal on at the moment that lasts your lifetime, or 100k, whichever comes first.
Given the age of the average OOFer, I have my suspicions as to what will come first :P
There is about an extra £75 added to the service bill with is a sort of insurnace cover for the "life time cover" you can ask for it to be dropped and save on your service bill.
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Without wishing to slate ford I have been warned duel mass flywheels can last as little as 30,000 miles and handbraks can fail in the on position on S-max and Mondeo so could prove costly, I've always been a VX fella but I like the look of them both is sports trim.
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Another 7 seater you could consider-although I don't know if it's physically big enough for your needs-is the Grand C-Max.In size it fits between the "ordinary" C-Max and the S-Max,but unlike the S-Max/Galaxy it has sliding rear doors.Don't know about the isofix bit though.It's available with the 1L ecoboost and 1.6L petrol engines as well a the Diesel option.
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The 3.2 Elite was around £32000 in 2003. I doubt anyone paid it though.
Heavy discounts, I imagine. :y
My 3.2 Elite list price was £32000 in 2001. I bought it in 2002 at 1 year old for £16500. It also had full Irmscher so presume that would have been extra cost on top of £32000. It was an ex Vauxhall Management car - I always thought Irmscher was factory fitted but some say on here that it never was??
The Irmscher goodies were a dealer fit option that you could order at the same time and would be fitted by the PDI centre.