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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 20 June 2017, 13:07:41
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If you could turn back the clock 12 months, would you?
I would.
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Might seem like a pointless, simplistic question, but I'd be interested to see if anyone is actually happy with the way things turned out.
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I replied no, simply because I'm still happy with the way I voted, and going back 12 months would mean that I've got 4 days until the disappointment starts all over again ;D
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I replied no, simply because I'm still happy with the way I voted, and going back 12 months would mean that I've got 4 days until the disappointment starts all over again ;D
You mean excitement, not disappointment, surely? ;D
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Like with counter factual history, it is a pointless discussion issue. ;)
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Like with counter factual history, it is a pointless discussion issue. ;)
Not to those of us who like to gauge the public mood.
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Theresa May just tried to join the forum to vote 'yes'........... ;D
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>:( Looks like "control over our borders and immigration " is the first thing NOT going to happen , i think the leave camp has a lot of humble pie to eat >:(
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Like with counter factual history, it is a pointless discussion issue. ;)
Not to those of us who like to gauge the public mood.
And does that tell you anything we do not already know and see; confusion, dissatisfaction and a wish for strong political leaders to step out of the fog. :D :D ;)
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You mean excitement, not disappointment, surely? ;D
No.
Although come to think of it, this time last year I was in Hong Kong, getting merry and watching England smash the Aussies 3-0 on their tour.
So perhaps I was a little hasty.
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Like with counter factual history, it is a pointless discussion issue. ;)
Not to those of us who like to gauge the public mood.
And does that tell you anything we do not already know and see; confusion, dissatisfaction and a wish for strong political leaders to step out of the fog. :D :D ;)
One opinion of many, Lizzie.
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Wait a year or so and we will be back where we were twelve months ago. i.e.
Back in the EU we never left
(but having lost the opt outs we fought so hard for)
Subservient cash cow for the great EŁU machine
Business will be ever more globalised
Rich getting richer and poor getting poorer
NHS will be hanging on a smaller thread
Jeremy Corbyn will be PM and be trying to calm the left wing elements of his party
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We're leaving the EU. Regardless of opinion and wishful thinking, Article 50 has been triggered. The only guarantee is that we will be out of the EU by 2019.
Subsequently rejoining would see us nailed to wall by our veg and would be worse than ANY other deal including no deal.
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Like with counter factual history, it is a pointless discussion issue. ;)
Not to those of us who like to gauge the public mood.
And does that tell you anything we do not already know and see; confusion, dissatisfaction and a wish for strong political leaders to step out of the fog. :D :D ;)
One opinion of many, Lizzie.
Absolutely right! :D :D :y
The trouble is so many people now have so many differing view points. Brexit, the situation with the Labour Party, and the now discredited T. May, who yes I voted for, has shown that we are really divided in a highly mixed way. I cannot remember such division, and as I said, confusion in my life before. Once it was simply you were either Labour or Conservative, and you voted for their policies, left or right. Now....??!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
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We're leaving the EU. Regardless of opinion and wishful thinking, Article 50 has been triggered. The only guarantee is that we will be out of the EU by 2019.
Subsequently rejoining would see us nailed to wall by our veg and would be worse than ANY other deal including no deal.
What's that got to do with this thread?
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We're leaving the EU. Regardless of opinion and wishful thinking, Article 50 has been triggered. The only guarantee is that we will be out of the EU by 2019.
Subsequently rejoining would see us nailed to wall by our veg and would be worse than ANY other deal including no deal.
What's that got to do with this thread?
I went with no... besides, if ermaj is allowed an opinion, we all are :-P
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Not much point in wishing to go back 12 months unless I can decide what to change when I get there. Now that's something I would love to do. 8) ;D
If its purely going back in order to stop the useless Tories from losing their majority, and stop treasonous treachorous loathsome labour from gaining seats -then yes, of course.
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Proper Brexit, the brexit 52% voted for is a strong and satisfying 5% ABV lager.
The Brexit we are likely to get is a bottle of 1.2% ABV shandy.
The government and DD in particular will tell us Brexit has been a great success and hope nobody will notice the beer has been watered down. ::)
Likely to be 'brexit' in name only.
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My guess is that after Brexit has been 'achieved' we will still pay the EU billions each year and we will still have little or no control of people entering the UK from the EU.
Is that really Brexit?
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My guess is that after Brexit has been 'achieved' we will still pay the EU billions each year and we will still have little or no control of people entering the UK from the EU.
Is that really Brexit?
No . of course not but the bulk of people will be quite happy as
- someone else will be paying the billions not them
- beefburgers will continue to be flipped cheaply
- Interest rates will have gone up showing how good everything is.
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My feeling is that Brexit was a poke in the eye to the institutions from an electorate increasingly dissatisfied with what gets handed down from the ivory towers. If it hadn't been Brexit it would have been something else perhaps even more unsavoury, so I don't feel that, if we wound the clock back and had a different referendum result, things would necessarily be all hunky dory now, TBH. :-\
How long would Camoron and the towel-folder have lasted, and what would have followed? Not sure, TBH.
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Is that really Brexit?
Who knows, all I've definitively seen so far is that "Brexit means Brexit". I understand that this mantra is to be repeated ad nauseam when faced with any question which one cannot answer.
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Is that really Brexit?
Who knows, all I've definitively seen so far is that "Brexit means Brexit". I understand that this a mantra to be repeated ad nauseam when faced with any question which one cannot answer.
My understanding of a 'proper brexit' is.
We leave the single market but have full access without any financial connsequences. They sell more to us than we sell to them.....blah..blah.
We stop paying the EU Ł350 million each week without any compromise on our part. The other 27 countries 'contribute' except us. It will be difficult to make that one fly.
We stop all 'dark foreign johnnies' entering the UK without any adverse consequences. The other 27 will continue to have have free movement of people. Hmmm.
Can't see us getting the 'full fat' brexit that Boris promised.
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All involved have said we are leaving the single market and the customs union, so it shouldn't be a really soft Brexit. The sticking points might be the so called divorce bill, and future contributions to access the single market.
We can leave with no deal and use WTO trading rules on the one hand. On the other hand the EU cant be seen to allow us to have as good a deal as countries who currently bow to their rule, so the final deal is likely to be somewhere between these two I would imagine.
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We're leaving the EU. Regardless of opinion and wishful thinking, Article 50 has been triggered. The only guarantee is that we will be out of the EU by 2019.
Subsequently rejoining would see us nailed to wall by our veg and would be worse than ANY other deal including no deal.
What's that got to do with this thread?
I went with no... besides, if ermaj is allowed an opinion, we all are :-P
Yes indeed, and there are a lot of differing opinions out there with few real answers from those in charge! ::) ::) ::) ;)
Talking about Majesties, do you think the Queen could re-think her approval to T. May's request to form a government. Now that would be interesting. Is the Queens speech going to happen anytime soon? :-\ :-\ :-\
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Never ever go back,look to the past to [hopefully learn lessons]but only ever go forward.
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Those in charge cannot possibly hope to answer opinion. And nor should they.
Ban the media, that should do it >:(
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I was watching the news last night and they showed snippets of the press conference with Davis and Barnier after the first day of
haggling negotiations and I thought that Barnier looked a bit frustrated as he had a little rant in French about how Britain will have to be in a worse place after BREXIT than before. ::)
I later saw an article which suggested that Davis and his team had spent the day insisting that Barnier and his team produce the legal basis for the 100 million divorce bill. ;)
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We're leaving the EU. Regardless of opinion and wishful thinking, Article 50 has been triggered. The only guarantee is that we will be out of the EU by 2019.
Subsequently rejoining would see us nailed to wall by our veg and would be worse than ANY other deal including no deal.
What's that got to do with this thread?
I went with no... besides, if ermaj is allowed an opinion, we all are :-P
Yes indeed, and there are a lot of differing opinions out there with few real answers from those in charge! ::) ::) ::) ;)
Talking about Majesties, do you think the Queen could re-think her approval to T. May's request to form a government. Now that would be interesting. Is the Queens speech going to happen anytime soon? :-\ :-\ :-\
Blimey, something actually happened in politics as planned; the |State Opening of Parliament happened yesterday.
Shame, I was hoping for more scandal!! ;D ;D ;D
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I later saw an article which suggested that Davis and his team had spent the day insisting that Barnier and his team produce the legal basis for the 100 million divorce bill. ;)
Ahh. Financial accountability. A sore point for the EU. ::) He's hit them where it hurts on day one. ;D
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First rule of defensive negotiations... Make your first strike count, lest you don't get a second one ;)
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I heard on the radio today that "May will [most likely] offer a 'very good' deal for the 3+m EU citizens living in the UK and will hope for a similarly generous offer from the EU for the 1+m UK citizens living abroad"
Fat chance of that, I thought. I hope Varche can fund his passage back..
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I was watching the news last night and they showed snippets of the press conference with Davis and Barnier after the first day of haggling negotiations and I thought that Barnier looked a bit frustrated as he had a little rant in French about how Britain will have to be in a worse place after BREXIT than before. ::)
I later saw an article which suggested that Davis and his team had spent the day insisting that Barnier and his team produce the legal basis for the 100 million divorce bill. ;)
100 billion, Sir Tig. :)
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I was watching the news last night and they showed snippets of the press conference with Davis and Barnier after the first day of haggling negotiations and I thought that Barnier looked a bit frustrated as he had a little rant in French about how Britain will have to be in a worse place after BREXIT than before. ::)
I later saw an article which suggested that Davis and his team had spent the day insisting that Barnier and his team produce the legal basis for the 100 million divorce bill. ;)
100 billion, Sir Tig. :)
Good to see someone is keeping up M'lud! :)