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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 28 June 2017, 18:34:28
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.. I see there are to be criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough. I sincerely hope it's not going to take over the telly for another year or so, people who were not involved will be rightly sick of it.
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It may, finally, bring closure, though.
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Has Ken Loach made a film about it yet ? If not then we haven't heard the last of it by a long way. ::)
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I can well understand how sick of it people may be. It was only last week that I was moaning about the amount of coverage Grenfell Tower was getting, and yet, it may turn out that even more perished there than Hillsborough, and through the same process...negligence.
Let's hope there's not the same kind of attempt at a cover up.
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I'm not sure they could get away with that in this day & age. The media spotlight burns bright 24/7 and many more pressure groups etc. now.
These events are obviously terrible and shocking, but human nature dictates that those not directly involved will soon move on from them.
The 24/7 media doesn't allow for this though, which may be why we all start to sound a bit heartless after a while and don't want everyone to keep constantly banging on about it. :-\
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I understand the need for any direct responsibility to be held accountable for a major loss of life, however I often think that nothing that is done, anyone that gets prosecuted, will result in anyone coming back from the dead.
Hillsborough, Grenfell, it's not as though in either case anyone set out in a deliberate and premeditated manner to kill a lot of people such as say the terrorist events in Manchester and London. What it does do is make people aware of consequences, but still, nobody comes back from the dead.
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I am afraid you will have to get used to this in depth but little substance obsessive coverage. It will only get worse.
This morning on breakfast tv news they pontificated endlessly on what might happen at the news conference. Trouble is this is at the expense of other alsonewsworthy items.
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I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.
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I understand the need for any direct responsibility to be held accountable for a major loss of life, however I often think that nothing that is done, anyone that gets prosecuted, will result in anyone coming back from the dead.
Hillsborough, Grenfell, it's not as though in either case anyone set out in a deliberate and premeditated manner to kill a lot of people such as say the terrorist events in Manchester and London. What it does do is make people aware of consequences, but still, nobody comes back from the dead.
Sorry, Rog, but the law must take it's course, if only to make people realise, in the future, that you just can't get away with it.
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I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.
Yeah, senior police officers and the forces solicitor changing lower ranking officers statements to shift blame to the men women and kids that got the life squeezed out of them would undoubtedly have been the right thing to do at the time
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I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.
Yeah, senior police officers and the forces solicitor changing lower ranking officers statements to shift blame to the men women and kids that got the life squeezed out of them would undoubtedly have been the right thing to do at the time
That was unforgivable. They have been charged with perverting the course of justice, and that can carry a very long sentence. If they end up getting a suspended sentence, there will be hell to pay.
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I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.
Yeah, senior police officers and the forces solicitor changing lower ranking officers statements to shift blame to the men women and kids that got the life squeezed out of them would undoubtedly have been the right thing to do at the time
With hindsight, clearly not...
But, do you really believe that those involved on the day, purposely made their actions and decisions to end the life of so many. I find that hard to believe.
Please note, I'm talking about the actual incident, rather than any subsequent actions after the event. The emotive nature of this tragedy cause the event and then later actions to get mixed.
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I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.
Yeah, senior police officers and the forces solicitor changing lower ranking officers statements to shift blame to the men women and kids that got the life squeezed out of them would undoubtedly have been the right thing to do at the time
With hindsight, clearly not...
But, do you really believe that those involved on the day, purposely made their actions and decisions to end the life of so many. I find that hard to believe.
Please note, I'm talking about the actual incident, rather than any subsequent actions after the event. The emotive nature of this tragedy cause the event and then later actions to get mixed.
My point, but better put
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If they had made their decisions with the intention of killing the victims then they would be guilty of murder. They obviously didn't commit murder, but it seems likely they committed other offences.
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.. I see there are to be criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough.
I heard that on the radio the other morning - I am amazed it still rattles on. I wonder if I'll still be hearing about Grenfell on the news when I'm old..
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.. I see there are to be criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough.
I heard that on the radio the other morning - I am amazed it still rattles on. I wonder if I'll still be hearing about Grenfell on the news when I'm old..
If it turns out that there's any sort of official cover up going on the row will be tremendous and will rumble on for donkeys! ::)
I'm listening to IDS on R2 now and they're talking about the numbers of dead and accusations of a cover up. :(
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Probably never know the real truth about any of these incidents, if an inquiry or prosecutions gives closure to some all well & good, but as someone else said earlier you cannot bring back the dead.
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Interesting how other countries in Europe have the same problem.
France( in the NE) had a similar but smaller block of flats with cladding fire- only one fatality. You would have thought that would have set alarm bells ringing. It is also interesting to see the French legislation to tackle the issue.
The one thing that does surprise me is that we haven't yet had a kneejerk witchhunt on withdrawing all Hotpoint Fridge Freezers as I think that was the identified culprit.
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.. I see there are to be criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough.
I heard that on the radio the other morning - I am amazed it still rattles on. I wonder if I'll still be hearing about Grenfell on the news when I'm old..
If it turns out that there's any sort of official cover up going on the row will be tremendous and will rumble on for donkeys! ::)
I'm listening to IDS on R2 now and they're talking about the numbers of dead and accusations of a cover up. :(
What they, the residents, won't admit or acknowledge is the fact the the official occupancy figures cannot possibly include all the extended families living 8 to a flat. To admit this would invalidate not only any credibility that the residents' case might have had, but also any insurance cover of either building owners or individual flat owners...