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At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« on: 28 June 2017, 18:34:28 »

.. I see there are to be criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough. I sincerely hope it's not going to take over the telly for another year or so, people who were not involved will be rightly sick of it.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #1 on: 28 June 2017, 18:35:03 »

It may, finally, bring closure, though.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #2 on: 28 June 2017, 18:39:06 »

Has Ken Loach made a film about it yet ? If not then we haven't heard the last of it by a long way.  ::)
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #3 on: 28 June 2017, 18:46:12 »

I can well understand how sick of it people may be. It was only last week that I was moaning about the amount of coverage Grenfell Tower was getting, and yet, it may turn out that even more perished there than Hillsborough, and through the same process...negligence.
Let's hope there's not the same kind of attempt at a cover up.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #4 on: 28 June 2017, 18:55:21 »

I'm not sure they could get away with that in this day & age. The media spotlight burns bright 24/7 and many more pressure groups etc. now.
These events are obviously terrible and shocking, but human nature dictates that those not directly involved will soon move on from them.
The 24/7 media doesn't allow for this though, which may be why we all start to sound a bit heartless after a while and don't want everyone to keep constantly banging on about it.  :-\
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #5 on: 28 June 2017, 18:56:13 »


I understand the need for any direct responsibility to be held accountable for a major loss of life, however I often think that nothing that is done, anyone that gets prosecuted, will result in anyone coming back from the dead.

Hillsborough, Grenfell, it's not as though in either case anyone set out in a deliberate and premeditated manner to kill a lot of people such as say the terrorist events in Manchester and London. What it does do is make people aware of consequences, but still, nobody comes back from the dead.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #6 on: 28 June 2017, 18:56:33 »

I am afraid you will have to get used to this in depth but little substance obsessive coverage. It will only get worse.

This morning on breakfast tv news they pontificated endlessly on what might happen at the news conference. Trouble is this is at the expense of other alsonewsworthy items.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #7 on: 28 June 2017, 18:59:03 »

I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #8 on: 28 June 2017, 20:02:03 »


I understand the need for any direct responsibility to be held accountable for a major loss of life, however I often think that nothing that is done, anyone that gets prosecuted, will result in anyone coming back from the dead.

Hillsborough, Grenfell, it's not as though in either case anyone set out in a deliberate and premeditated manner to kill a lot of people such as say the terrorist events in Manchester and London. What it does do is make people aware of consequences, but still, nobody comes back from the dead.
Sorry, Rog, but the law must take it's course, if only to make people realise, in the future, that you just can't get away with it.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #9 on: 28 June 2017, 20:05:09 »

I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.

Yeah, senior police officers and the forces solicitor changing lower ranking officers statements to shift blame to the men women and kids that got the life squeezed out of them would undoubtedly have been the right thing to do at the time 
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #10 on: 28 June 2017, 20:08:22 »

I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.

Yeah, senior police officers and the forces solicitor changing lower ranking officers statements to shift blame to the men women and kids that got the life squeezed out of them would undoubtedly have been the right thing to do at the time
That was unforgivable. They have been charged with perverting the course of justice, and that can carry a very long sentence. If they end up getting a suspended sentence, there will be hell to pay.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #11 on: 28 June 2017, 20:35:27 »

I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.

Yeah, senior police officers and the forces solicitor changing lower ranking officers statements to shift blame to the men women and kids that got the life squeezed out of them would undoubtedly have been the right thing to do at the time
With hindsight, clearly not...

But, do you really believe that those involved on the day, purposely made their actions and decisions to end the life of so many. I find that hard to believe.

Please note, I'm talking about the actual incident, rather than any subsequent actions after the event. The emotive nature of this tragedy cause the event and then later actions to get mixed.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #12 on: 28 June 2017, 20:37:42 »

I'm sure, in both cases, those that will be held accountable - because the media will not let it lie - did what they believed was the right thing at the time.

Yeah, senior police officers and the forces solicitor changing lower ranking officers statements to shift blame to the men women and kids that got the life squeezed out of them would undoubtedly have been the right thing to do at the time
With hindsight, clearly not...

But, do you really believe that those involved on the day, purposely made their actions and decisions to end the life of so many. I find that hard to believe.

Please note, I'm talking about the actual incident, rather than any subsequent actions after the event. The emotive nature of this tragedy cause the event and then later actions to get mixed.

My point, but better put
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #13 on: 28 June 2017, 20:58:30 »

If they had made their decisions with the intention of killing the victims then they would be guilty of murder. They obviously didn't commit murder, but it seems likely they committed other offences.
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Re: At the risk of sounding like a broken record..
« Reply #14 on: 29 June 2017, 10:44:34 »

.. I see there are to be criminal prosecutions over Hillsborough.

I heard that on the radio the other morning - I am amazed it still rattles on. I wonder if I'll still be hearing about Grenfell on the news when I'm old..
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