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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Shackeng on 09 August 2017, 18:39:08
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We have a classic case of that today with the conviction of Asian men for sex offences. 13 years ago that obnoxnious man Nick Griffin of the BNP, accused Asians of this very offence, https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/may/24/localgovernment.thefarright but, because of his politics, he was rubbished by all sides of the media, and politicians.
Given the successive cases of similar abuse, perhaps they should have listened to the message, instead of shooting the messenger. :-X
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Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.
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The trouble was that they branded ALL non-white British as a threat to our way our life.
Funny how I didn't think like that as I received medical attention from Greek and Asian surgeons recently! ::) ::)
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The trouble was that they branded ALL non-white British as a threat to our way our life.
Funny how I didn't think like that as I received medical attention from Greek and Asian surgeons recently! ::) ::)
I take it that the delicate ipad removal surgery was successful then Lizzie. ::) :-[ :o :-X ;D
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The trouble was that they branded ALL non-white British as a threat to our way our life.
Funny how I didn't think like that as I received medical attention from Greek and Asian surgeons recently! ::) ::)
I take it that the delicate ipad removal surgery was successful then Lizzie. ::) :-[ :o :-X ;D
The removal was successful Rod, but I am still suffering from ipadinfectiousitus; my fingers do not connect correctly with the virtual keyboard and my brain!! :o :o ;D ;) ;)
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The trouble was that they branded ALL non-white British as a threat to our way our life.
Funny how I didn't think like that as I received medical attention from Greek and Asian surgeons recently! ::) ::)
I take it that the delicate ipad removal surgery was successful then Lizzie. ::) :-[ :o :-X ;D
The removal was successful Rod, but I am still suffering from ipadinfectiousitus; my fingers do not connect correctly with the virtual keyboard and my brain!! :o :o ;D ;) ;)
I think you'll find the biggest problem with most technology is the human interface.
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The trouble was that they branded ALL non-white British as a threat to our way our life.
Funny how I didn't think like that as I received medical attention from Greek and Asian surgeons recently! ::) ::)
I take it that the delicate ipad removal surgery was successful then Lizzie. ::) :-[ :o :-X ;D
The removal was successful Rod, but I am still suffering from ipadinfectiousitus; my fingers do not connect correctly with the virtual keyboard and my brain!! :o :o ;D ;) ;)
I think you'll find the biggest problem with most technology is the human interface.
What are you saying STEMO, there is nothing wrong with my face! :o :o ;D ;D ;)
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Given the successive cases of similar abuse, perhaps they should have listened to the message, instead of shooting the messenger. :-X
Even a stopped clock reads right twice per day.
I still wouldn't use one to tell me the time.
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Given the successive cases of similar abuse, perhaps they should have listened to the message, instead of shooting the messenger. :-X
Even a stopped clock reads right twice per day.
I still wouldn't use one to tell me the time.
Nevertheless, the reasons why these perfectly correct claims were ignored, was because the BNP were, quite rightly, vilified for their political views, therefore nothing they said was believed, and as it was seen as racially motivated, no notice was taken of them. :y
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Agreed
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Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them?? :-\ :-\ :-\
Never seen this before :o :o
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Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them?? :-\ :-\ :-\
Never seen this before :o :o
You must have inadvertantly pressed the notify tab next to reply ???
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The political correctness imposed upon us by the Liberal left has very obviously been taken to a level beyond ludicrous by what has been allowed to happen to young girls across the country.
The authorities from ground level social workers right up through councils, the police and the CPS were so paralysed by the fear of someone playing the race card, that they turned a blind eye to systematic grooming and rape of vulnerable children as young as 12.
It should be a cause for deep shame for all of us as a society that we have allowed our country to sink so far.
It should also give rise to determination to do something about it.
What we have seen go through the courts has been the tip of the iceberg. Its the beginning of a process which will hopefully allow basic common sense to make a return to the agencies of the state. It will be a long bumpy road, but hopefully we will get there.
Personally, I would reintroduce the death penalty for certain crimes, including these ones, but I cant see it happening in my lifetime.
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it was seen as racially motivated, no notice was taken of them. :y
Very true, and in my view that decision as taken at the time was the correct one. Applying hindsight is the wrong test entirely. If a group has no credibility, why should anyone take any notice of what they have to say? That isn't to do with being politically correct, it's about judging your sources. Hard to pick the one truth out from all the lies and exaggeration no?
Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them?? :-\ :-\ :-\
Never seen this before :o :o
I'd guess you accidentally clicked he notify button? ???
Easily done when it's right next to reply.
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Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them?? :-\ :-\ :-\
Never seen this before :o :o
It's to check that the subliminal mind-control is working.
bet you feel better now
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It would have been interesting to have heard Vamps, RIP, take on the subject :-\
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it was seen as racially motivated, no notice was taken of them. :y
Very true, and in my view that decision as taken at the time was the correct one. Applying hindsight is the wrong test entirely. If a group has no credibility, why should anyone take any notice of what they have to say? That isn't to do with being politically correct, it's about judging your sources. Hard to pick the one truth out from all the lies and exaggeration no?
Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them?? :-\ :-\ :-\
Never seen this before :o :o
I'd guess you accidentally clicked he notify button? ???
Easily done when it's right next to reply.
Did you watch the BBC documentary on this a few weeks ago ? If not I would recommend watching it on iplayer if its still available.
It was in no way the correct decision, because a few social workers and a lone voice police woman knew exactly what was happening and had the evidence to prove it.
Every time it was "sent upstairs", the powers that be buried it because it was seen as a political hot potato. They even blamed the under age girls, due to their promiscuity ! :o
It was a combination of not wanting to get on the wrong side of people who carried a lot of power and influence in the localities (which is why the perpetrators thought they could act with impunity) and collective cowardice / dereliction of duty, by people whose job it is to be brave and take their duties very seriously.
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Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them?? :-\ :-\ :-\
Never seen this before :o :o
You must have inadvertantly pressed the notify tab next to reply ???
Really! Well I never knew you could do that! Thanks :y
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Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.
Rivers of blood springs to mind.
Tory leader Ted Heath sacked Enoch if memory serves.
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It was in no way the correct decision, because a few social workers and a lone voice police woman knew exactly what was happening and had the evidence to prove it.
Every time it was "sent upstairs", the powers that be buried it because it was seen as a political hot potato. They even blamed the under age girls, due to their promiscuity ! :o
It was a combination of not wanting to get on the wrong side of people who carried a lot of power and influence in the localities (which is why the perpetrators thought they could act with impunity) and collective cowardice / dereliction of duty, by people whose job it is to be brave and take their duties very seriously.
Ah, you misunderstand me, the decision not to investigate was clearly wrong for the reasons you cited, however the OP was specifically talking about the testimony/support of the point by Nick Griffin. That, is the part which I feel should rightly be ignored. It's only with hindsight that you can pick out this truth from all the other drivel the BNP and other such disreputable organisations put out on a daily basis.
The deliberate suppression of evidence on the grounds of not upsetting people/political correctness which you describe is categorically wrong and in my view those involved should be sacked, and pursued to the fullest extent of both civil and criminal law. In many areas we have totally lost our objectivity as a nation, along with most of our common sense it seems.
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The "rivers of blood" element to that speech has always baffled me. Powell had a mind as sharp as a razor. An huge intellect. He could take apart, supposedly intellectual opponents, in an argument, with a few well chosen words.
When he started ranting about the blood foaming like the Tiber etc. I cant imagine he didn't realise it would cause outrage, and alienate him from mainstream politics. It remains a mystery to me. :-\
He certainly wasn't known as a racist previously, or subsequently. Someone who knew him, said that he loved South Africa, having lived there for a time, and when he saw the footage of police beating and whipping black people it brought him to tears.
Apparently he was a near neighbour of Michael Foot and regularily went to dinner at his house, where the two big, but opposite intellects would do friendly battle at the dinner table. I would liked to have been a fly on the wall, to hear those conversations.
But as said, he was certainly something of an enigma.
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It was in no way the correct decision, because a few social workers and a lone voice police woman knew exactly what was happening and had the evidence to prove it.
Every time it was "sent upstairs", the powers that be buried it because it was seen as a political hot potato. They even blamed the under age girls, due to their promiscuity ! :o
It was a combination of not wanting to get on the wrong side of people who carried a lot of power and influence in the localities (which is why the perpetrators thought they could act with impunity) and collective cowardice / dereliction of duty, by people whose job it is to be brave and take their duties very seriously.
Ah, you misunderstand me, the decision not to investigate was clearly wrong for the reasons you cited, however the OP was specifically talking about the testimony/support of the point by Nick Griffin. That, is the part which I feel should rightly be ignored. It's only with hindsight that you can pick out this truth from all the other drivel the BNP and other such disreputable organisations put out on a daily basis.
The deliberate suppression of evidence on the grounds of not upsetting people/political correctness which you describe is categorically wrong and in my view those involved should be sacked, and pursued to the fullest extent of both civil and criminal law. In many areas we have totally lost our objectivity as a nation, along with most of our common sense it seems.
Apologies Jimmy. I did indeed get the wrong end of the stick. I agree that Griffin is nothing but vile. Thankfully he is now financially and politically bankrupt, as is his former party. Neither are likely to be heard from again.
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Political correctness wasn't even a twinkle in its fathers eye at the time of the 1964 general election.
At this time ADH was Tory PM and the slogan used in Smethwick Birmingham was considered offensive by some (but by no means all)
Because of the influx of 'dark people' ::) from the Commonwealth into Birmingham the Tory slogan was.....
"If you want a nigger for a neighbour vote Labour"
It worked and the Conservatives took the seat.
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Which only goes to prove that the world was a very different place in 1964. ;)
Things needed to change, that's obvious, but the changes have gone way too far, and often in the wrong direction.
We have gone from trying to stamp out racism, to little freedom of speech, thought control, and a great willingness to make the whole of society bend to the will of everyone and anyone who is queueing up waiting to be offended by something. Its seems most prevalent in our universities where freedom of speech and thought should be the most precious assets they posses.
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The "rivers of blood" element to that speech has always baffled me. Powell had a mind as sharp as a razor. An huge intellect. He could take apart, supposedly intellectual opponents, in an argument, with a few well chosen words.
When he started ranting about the blood foaming like the Tiber etc. I cant imagine he didn't realise it would cause outrage, and alienate him from mainstream politics. It remains a mystery to me. :-\
He certainly wasn't known as a racist previously, or subsequently. Someone who knew him, said that he loved South Africa, having lived there for a time, and when he saw the footage of police beating and whipping black people it brought him to tears.
Apparently he was a near neighbour of Michael Foot and regularily went to dinner at his house, where the two big, but opposite intellects would do friendly battle at the dinner table. I would liked to have been a fly on the wall, to hear those conversations.
But as said, he was certainly something of an enigma.
He knew exactly what he was saying.
Why he chose to say what he did I have no idea. As you rightly say ....he was a smart fella.
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Which only goes to prove that the world was a very different place in 1964. ;)
Things needed to change, that's obvious, but the changes have gone way too far, and often in the wrong direction.
We have gone from trying to stamp out racism, to little freedom of speech, thought control, and a great willingness to make the whole of society bend to the will of everyone and anyone who is queueing up waiting to be offended by something. Its seems most prevalent in our universities where freedom of speech and thought should be the most precious assets they posses.
'Generation Snowflake' are prone to this. Especially young women in the 16-21 age bracket. Often offended by the most trivial of comments.
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I can remember an election in the 80,s where the Liberal candidate (Simon Hughes) won the seat by telling voters not to vote for the Labour candidate (Peter Tatchell) because he was gay.
Tatchell tried denying he was gay, but there was too much evidence.
Many years later, after representing the constituency for many years. Simon Hughes announced he was gay. ::) ;D
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Political correctness or a lack of moral courage? The jury's out on that one.
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I can remember an election in the 80,s where the Liberal candidate (Simon Hughes) won the seat by telling voters not to vote for the Labour candidate (Peter Tatchell) because he was gay.
Tatchell tried denying he was gay, but there was too much evidence.
Many years later, after representing the constituency for many years. Simon Hughes announced he was gay. ::) ;D
I thought everybody at the time knew that both Hughes and Tatchell were benders. I thought it was common knowledge.
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In the early 80,s ? Nope.
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Political correctness or a lack of moral courage? The jury's out on that one.
A large dose of both imo.
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it was seen as racially motivated, no notice was taken of them. :y
Very true, and in my view that decision as taken at the time was the correct one. Applying hindsight is the wrong test entirely. If a group has no credibility, why should anyone take any notice of what they have to say? That isn't to do with being politically correct, it's about judging your sources. Hard to pick the one truth out from all the lies and exaggeration no?
Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them?? :-\ :-\ :-\
Never seen this before :o :o
I'd guess you accidentally clicked he notify button? ???
Easily done when it's right next to reply.
Sorry, but I don't agree. If you ignore everything people say just because you dislike them and their views, you are going to finish up exactly where we are now, and hundreds if not thousands of young women have had their lives destroyed. We have politicians and civil servants paid vast sums of our money to monitor these sort of extremist views, and regardless of the distaste with which they are viewed, we should not excuse our paid authorities for not investigating such claims. Fortunately, I believe we are slowly learning the lesson, witness the much more involved action relating to current extremist views held by a minority of the Muslim population. :y
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It was in no way the correct decision, because a few social workers and a lone voice police woman knew exactly what was happening and had the evidence to prove it.
Every time it was "sent upstairs", the powers that be buried it because it was seen as a political hot potato. They even blamed the under age girls, due to their promiscuity ! :o
It was a combination of not wanting to get on the wrong side of people who carried a lot of power and influence in the localities (which is why the perpetrators thought they could act with impunity) and collective cowardice / dereliction of duty, by people whose job it is to be brave and take their duties very seriously.
Ah, you misunderstand me, the decision not to investigate was clearly wrong for the reasons you cited, however the OP was specifically talking about the testimony/support of the point by Nick Griffin. That, is the part which I feel should rightly be ignored. It's only with hindsight that you can pick out this truth from all the other drivel the BNP and other such disreputable organisations put out on a daily basis.
The deliberate suppression of evidence on the grounds of not upsetting people/political correctness which you describe is categorically wrong and in my view those involved should be sacked, and pursued to the fullest extent of both civil and criminal law. In many areas we have totally lost our objectivity as a nation, along with most of our common sense it seems.
Not objectivity, Identity ;)
For the last 40 years or so, we have been brainwashed into believing whatever our lords and masters at Number 10 say.
If you dare to disagree, you are branded a racist, a homophobe or a sexist.
Tony B Liar ( and he wasn't the first ) openly invited any 3rd world oppser and there ideas that would come here on the pretence that those who come here will vote for him for ever and ever so keeping the idiot in power for as long as he wanted to stay.
If we objected in anyway, we was hounded be the lefftie brigade and told to repent our sins or be dammed to have hot forks stuck up our arses for eternity.
Nowadays, we are just a multicultural / no specific gender shithole were whoever shouts the loudest or whoever has the brightest flag wins.
But hey, as long as our masters are happy who gives a fooook ............
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And as if to prove the point - Ive just read that prominent
t wat , scientist celebrity, Brian Cox, has lambasted the BBC for allowing Nigel Lawson to air his views on climate change. ::)
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Sorry, but I don't agree. If you ignore everything people say just because you dislike them and their views, you are going to finish up exactly where we are now, and hundreds if not thousands of young women have had their lives destroyed.
No, you ignore them because they are proven liars who will say anything to further their political cause. Which also happens to be distasteful and divisive.
He "championed" this cause without providing any evidence (as far as I could find) and would have done so whether he himself believed it or not.
If you take account of disreputable sources who say things with no evidence to back it up, you're just wasting everyone's time.
The fact that it transpires he was right on one issue changes nothing.
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Sorry, but I don't agree. If you ignore everything people say just because you dislike them and their views, you are going to finish up exactly where we are now, and hundreds if not thousands of young women have had their lives destroyed.
No, you ignore them because they are proven liars who will say anything to further their political cause. Which also happens to be distasteful and divisive.
He "championed" this cause without providing any evidence (as far as I could find) and would have done so whether he himself believed it or not.
If you take account of disreputable sources who say things with no evidence to back it up, you're just wasting everyone's time.
The fact that it transpires he was right on one issue changes nothing.
The very point I was making, what effort did our authorities take to investigate if there was any evidence for these claims? None, due to the fear of being seen to acknowledge that a known racist party might, amongst their many extreme claims, had actually told the truth in this case. Had they done so, we could perhaps have seen this vile practice, of grooming vulnerable young girls for sexual sport, investigated much earlier. Instead of which, we now have Lord Macdonald stating that these cases should now be treated as racist crimes. How the tide has turned.
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I have a solution, when I get in power. Do-gooders first.
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Get in line behind me with your chainsaw, TB!
Ron.
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"Wisdom cries out in the streets and no man regards it" - Henry IV, Pt.1.
There's nothing new under the sun, is there!
Ron.
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I have the final solution, when I get in power. Do-gooders first.
::)
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I have a solution, when I get in power. Do-gooders first.
Heil, mein Fuhrer! ;)
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Im currently listening to the Nigel Farage show on LBC. The abuse of these young girls is the topic for discussion tonight, with callers ringing in to voice various opinions.
Two things have been of interest so far. A child protection social worker, who has done the job for 25 years called in to say this has been going on the whole time he has been in his job. He said it breaks his heart when he comes across it, and the police always seemed to have an excuse (until recently) why they weren't going to get themselves involved in it.
The second thing was (and I well remember this case) that Rotherham council, about five years ago, removed two children from very experienced foster parents when they discovered that were UKIP supporters, and said they must be racists!
This was the same (Labour) council which would not listen to anyone who told them about the widespread gang rape of children in their area by gangs of Muslim / Pakistani adult men.
It makes me angry beyond description. >:( >:( >:(