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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #15 on: 10 August 2017, 10:35:45 »

It would have been interesting to have heard Vamps, RIP, take on the subject :-\
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #16 on: 10 August 2017, 10:43:31 »

it was seen as racially motivated, no notice was taken of them. :y

Very true, and in my view that decision as taken at the time was the correct one. Applying hindsight is the wrong test entirely. If a group has no credibility, why should anyone take any notice of what they have to say? That isn't to do with being politically correct, it's about judging your sources. Hard to pick the one truth out from all the lies and exaggeration no?

Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them??  :-\ :-\ :-\

Never seen this before :o :o

I'd guess you accidentally clicked he notify button?  ???

Easily done when it's right next to reply.

Did you watch the BBC documentary on this a few weeks ago ? If not I would recommend watching it on iplayer if its still available.
It was in no way the correct decision, because a few social workers and a lone voice police woman knew exactly what was happening and had the evidence to prove it.
Every time it was "sent upstairs", the powers that be buried it because it was seen as a political hot potato. They even blamed the under age girls, due to their promiscuity !  :o
It was a combination of not wanting to get on the wrong side of people who carried a lot of power  and influence in the localities (which is why the perpetrators thought they could act with impunity) and collective cowardice / dereliction of duty, by people whose job it is to be brave and take their duties very seriously.

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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #17 on: 10 August 2017, 11:04:25 »

Why have I received emails from certain members who have posted on this thread, after my post, letting me know there are replies and I should look at them??  :-\ :-\ :-\

Never seen this before :o :o

You must have inadvertantly pressed the notify tab next to reply ???

Really!  Well I never knew you could do that!  Thanks :y
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #18 on: 10 August 2017, 11:21:07 »

Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.

Rivers of blood springs to mind.

Tory leader Ted Heath sacked Enoch if memory serves.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #19 on: 10 August 2017, 11:25:13 »


It was in no way the correct decision, because a few social workers and a lone voice police woman knew exactly what was happening and had the evidence to prove it.
Every time it was "sent upstairs", the powers that be buried it because it was seen as a political hot potato. They even blamed the under age girls, due to their promiscuity !  :o
It was a combination of not wanting to get on the wrong side of people who carried a lot of power  and influence in the localities (which is why the perpetrators thought they could act with impunity) and collective cowardice / dereliction of duty, by people whose job it is to be brave and take their duties very seriously.

Ah, you misunderstand me, the decision not to investigate was clearly wrong for the reasons you cited, however the OP was specifically talking about the testimony/support of the point by Nick Griffin. That, is the part which I feel should rightly be ignored. It's only with hindsight that you can pick out this truth from all the other drivel the BNP and other such disreputable organisations put out on a daily basis.

The deliberate suppression of evidence on the grounds of not upsetting people/political correctness which you describe is categorically wrong and in my view those involved should be sacked, and pursued to the fullest extent of both civil and criminal law. In many areas we have totally lost our objectivity as a nation, along with most of our common sense it seems.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #20 on: 10 August 2017, 11:33:14 »

The "rivers of blood" element to that speech has always baffled me. Powell had a mind as sharp as a razor. An huge intellect. He could take apart, supposedly intellectual opponents, in an argument, with a few well chosen words.
When he started ranting about the blood foaming like the Tiber etc. I cant imagine he didn't realise it would cause outrage, and alienate him from mainstream politics. It remains a mystery to me.  :-\
He certainly wasn't known as a racist previously, or subsequently. Someone who knew him, said that he loved South Africa, having lived there for a time, and when he saw the footage of police beating and whipping black people it brought him to tears.
Apparently he was a near neighbour of Michael Foot and regularily went to dinner at his house, where the two big, but opposite intellects would do friendly battle at the dinner table. I would liked to have been a fly on the wall, to hear those conversations.
But as said, he was certainly something of an enigma.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #21 on: 10 August 2017, 11:35:30 »


It was in no way the correct decision, because a few social workers and a lone voice police woman knew exactly what was happening and had the evidence to prove it.
Every time it was "sent upstairs", the powers that be buried it because it was seen as a political hot potato. They even blamed the under age girls, due to their promiscuity !  :o
It was a combination of not wanting to get on the wrong side of people who carried a lot of power  and influence in the localities (which is why the perpetrators thought they could act with impunity) and collective cowardice / dereliction of duty, by people whose job it is to be brave and take their duties very seriously.

Ah, you misunderstand me, the decision not to investigate was clearly wrong for the reasons you cited, however the OP was specifically talking about the testimony/support of the point by Nick Griffin. That, is the part which I feel should rightly be ignored. It's only with hindsight that you can pick out this truth from all the other drivel the BNP and other such disreputable organisations put out on a daily basis.

The deliberate suppression of evidence on the grounds of not upsetting people/political correctness which you describe is categorically wrong and in my view those involved should be sacked, and pursued to the fullest extent of both civil and criminal law. In many areas we have totally lost our objectivity as a nation, along with most of our common sense it seems.

Apologies Jimmy. I did indeed get the wrong end of the stick. I agree that Griffin is nothing but vile. Thankfully he is now financially and politically bankrupt, as is his former party. Neither are likely to be heard from again.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #22 on: 10 August 2017, 11:35:47 »

Political correctness wasn't even a twinkle in its fathers eye  at the time of the 1964 general election.

At this time ADH was Tory PM and the slogan used in Smethwick Birmingham was considered offensive by some (but by no means all)

Because of the influx of 'dark people' ::) from the Commonwealth into Birmingham the Tory slogan was.....

"If you want a nigger for a neighbour vote Labour"

It worked and the Conservatives took the seat.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #23 on: 10 August 2017, 11:43:02 »

Which only goes to prove that the world was a very different place in 1964.  ;)
Things needed to change, that's obvious, but the changes have gone way too far, and often in the wrong direction.
We have gone from trying to stamp out racism, to little freedom of speech, thought control, and a great willingness to make the whole of society bend to the will of everyone and anyone who is queueing up waiting to be offended by something. Its seems most prevalent in our universities where freedom of speech and thought should be the most precious assets they posses.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #24 on: 10 August 2017, 12:20:01 »

The "rivers of blood" element to that speech has always baffled me. Powell had a mind as sharp as a razor. An huge intellect. He could take apart, supposedly intellectual opponents, in an argument, with a few well chosen words.
When he started ranting about the blood foaming like the Tiber etc. I cant imagine he didn't realise it would cause outrage, and alienate him from mainstream politics. It remains a mystery to me.  :-\
He certainly wasn't known as a racist previously, or subsequently. Someone who knew him, said that he loved South Africa, having lived there for a time, and when he saw the footage of police beating and whipping black people it brought him to tears.
Apparently he was a near neighbour of Michael Foot and regularily went to dinner at his house, where the two big, but opposite intellects would do friendly battle at the dinner table. I would liked to have been a fly on the wall, to hear those conversations.
But as said, he was certainly something of an enigma.

He knew exactly what he was saying.

Why he chose to say what he did I have no idea. As you rightly say ....he was a smart fella.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #25 on: 10 August 2017, 12:23:10 »

Which only goes to prove that the world was a very different place in 1964.  ;)
Things needed to change, that's obvious, but the changes have gone way too far, and often in the wrong direction.
We have gone from trying to stamp out racism, to little freedom of speech, thought control, and a great willingness to make the whole of society bend to the will of everyone and anyone who is queueing up waiting to be offended by something. Its seems most prevalent in our universities where freedom of speech and thought should be the most precious assets they posses.

'Generation Snowflake' are prone to this. Especially young women in the 16-21 age bracket. Often offended by the most trivial of comments.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #26 on: 10 August 2017, 12:26:25 »

I can remember an election in the 80,s where the Liberal candidate (Simon Hughes) won the seat by telling voters not to vote for the Labour candidate (Peter Tatchell) because he was gay.
Tatchell tried denying he was gay, but there was too much evidence.
Many years later, after representing the constituency for many years. Simon Hughes announced he was gay.  ::) ;D
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #27 on: 10 August 2017, 12:27:46 »

Political correctness or a lack of moral courage?  The jury's out on that one.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #28 on: 10 August 2017, 12:42:32 »

I can remember an election in the 80,s where the Liberal candidate (Simon Hughes) won the seat by telling voters not to vote for the Labour candidate (Peter Tatchell) because he was gay.
Tatchell tried denying he was gay, but there was too much evidence.
Many years later, after representing the constituency for many years. Simon Hughes announced he was gay.  ::) ;D

I thought everybody at the time knew that both Hughes and Tatchell were benders. I thought it was common knowledge.
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Re: Political Correctness
« Reply #29 on: 10 August 2017, 13:23:47 »

In the early 80,s ? Nope.
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