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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 August 2021, 13:20:37
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https://youtu.be/9mwO5g_NRC4 (https://youtu.be/9mwO5g_NRC4)
Interesting take on the subject. :)
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Finally some actual perspective :y
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Ah but if those 8000 pennies didn't bother wearing masks.... :P ;D
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Ah but if those 8000 pennies didn't bother wearing masks.... :P ;D
I wonder how many died with covid rather than from it? ::)
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On the 5th March 2020 2 people died of Covid 19 in the UK
take that as an example of 2 pennies !
we are 18 months on now , how many pennies :-\ or dead people as it's not a trivial game we are playing ::)
and regardless of how many people actually died of Covid 19 , the hospitals where over full with Covid patients so many other people died because they couldn't get hospital treatment .
we don't know what will happen in another 18 months time do we ?
a new variant could wipe out most of humanity , or vaccines could effect fertility, Covid may be completely gone , etc etc ,
who knows ? answer = no one ::)
had more people taken Covid seriously ,we wouldn't be in the mess we are in >:(
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https://youtu.be/9mwO5g_NRC4 (https://youtu.be/9mwO5g_NRC4)
Interesting take on the subject. :)
Not really interesting, just showing it in a way that fools children into thinking it was nothing much to worry about.
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Another 119 dead pennies today. Never mind, eh?
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https://youtu.be/9mwO5g_NRC4 (https://youtu.be/9mwO5g_NRC4)
Interesting take on the subject. :)
Not really interesting, just showing it in a way that fools children into thinking it was nothing much to worry about.
In the great scheme of things there isn't.
Between 1348 and 1350 the black death killed rough 3 million in England alone, when the population was about 6 million......so roughly 5O%
What has changed over the centuries is that people have become more sensitised to risk and mortality
In summary......people are more fearful.
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Another 119 dead pennies today. Never mind, eh?
You do know that that each penny represents 1 million people.....not one person. ::)
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If 119 million people had died today even the BBC would have reported it.... ;D
They'd probably say it was down to racism.
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On the 5th March 2020 2 people died of Covid 19 in the UK
take that as an example of 2 pennies !
we are 18 months on now , how many pennies :-\ or dead people as it's not a trivial game we are playing ::)
and regardless of how many people actually died of Covid 19 , the hospitals where over full with Covid patients so many other people died because they couldn't get hospital treatment .
we don't know what will happen in another 18 months time do we ?
a new variant could wipe out most of humanity , or vaccines could effect fertility, Covid may be completely gone , etc etc ,
who knows ? answer = no one ::)
had more people taken Covid seriously ,we wouldn't be in the mess we are in >:(
No, Dave.
Two pennies would represent 2,000,000 people.
Roughly the complete demise of everyone in Birmingham and Manchester.
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That's 119 pennies out of 7,874,965,825 pennies.
Which, incidentally, is up 80 MILLION pennies over last year inspite of everything.
15 million active cases globally, of which 0.6% are critical.
That's 99.4% of cases that aren't critical.
If we spent less time panicking about TCV, then perhaps we could get back to actually looking after the people who have been sidelined by the madness.
90,000 people are essentially holding the whole world to ransom.
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Another 119 dead pennies today. Never mind, eh?
You do know that that each penny represents 1 million people.....not one person. ::)
No? Silly me ;D
It's a load of crap, Opti. Although it's almost impossible to put a figure on the amount of lives saved by various governments actions, just a few thousand would be enough for me to say they were right.
But, in this world where people have nothing better to do than bleat about their rights, mental health, inconvenience, etc, I suppose it looks clever.
It seems to me you have to lose a couple of family members before it sinks in that people actually matter.
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That's 119 pennies out of 7,874,965,825 pennies.
Which, incidentally, is up 80 MILLION pennies over last year inspite of everything.
15 million active cases globally, of which 0.6% are critical.
That's 99.4% of cases that aren't critical.
If we spent less time panicking about TCV, then perhaps we could get back to actually looking after the people who have been sidelined by the madness.
90,000 people are essentially holding the whole world to ransom.
How, exactly, are you being held to ransom? In the words of Yoda, 'End of a bell you are' ;D
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Another 119 dead pennies today. Never mind, eh?
You do know that that each penny represents 1 million people.....not one person. ::)
No? Silly me ;D
It's a load of crap, Opti. Although it's almost impossible to put a figure on the amount of lives saved by various governments actions, just a few thousand would be enough for me to say they were right.
But, in this world where people have nothing better to do than bleat about their rights, mental health, inconvenience, etc, I suppose it looks clever.
It seems to me you have to lose a couple of family members before it sinks in that people actually matter.
Yo can't say that in 2021.....or 'all lives matter'.... ;) ;D
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Another 119 dead pennies today. Never mind, eh?
You do know that that each penny represents 1 million people.....not one person. ::)
No? Silly me ;D
It's a load of crap, Opti. Although it's almost impossible to put a figure on the amount of lives saved by various governments actions, just a few thousand would be enough for me to say they were right.
But, in this world where people have nothing better to do than bleat about their rights, mental health, inconvenience, etc, I suppose it looks clever.
It seems to me you have to lose a couple of family members before it sinks in that people actually matter.
Yo can't say that in 2021.....or 'all lives matter'.... ;) ;D
Childish nonsense on top of childish nonsense. You need something meaningful to occupy your time :)
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Another 119 dead pennies today. Never mind, eh?
You do know that that each penny represents 1 million people.....not one person. ::)
No? Silly me ;D
It's a load of crap, Opti. Although it's almost impossible to put a figure on the amount of lives saved by various governments actions, just a few thousand would be enough for me to say they were right.
But, in this world where people have nothing better to do than bleat about their rights, mental health, inconvenience, etc, I suppose it looks clever.
It seems to me you have to lose a couple of family members before it sinks in that people actually matter.
At risk of sounding like a cliché, death is a fact of life. And whilst we might hope that it's in bed with a pair of twenty something twins or in our sleep with the family gathered, the reality is that sometimes it's being hit by a bus or at 42 on the toilet. Eating a burger.
The world could do with losing a billion people or two, but society is too far up its own arse to accept that might mean them rather than some Chinese or Africans.
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Another 119 dead pennies today. Never mind, eh?
You do know that that each penny represents 1 million people.....not one person. ::)
No? Silly me ;D
It's a load of crap, Opti. Although it's almost impossible to put a figure on the amount of lives saved by various governments actions, just a few thousand would be enough for me to say they were right.
But, in this world where people have nothing better to do than bleat about their rights, mental health, inconvenience, etc, I suppose it looks clever.
It seems to me you have to lose a couple of family members before it sinks in that people actually matter.
At risk of sounding like a cliché, death is a fact of life. And whilst we might hope that it's in bed with a pair of twenty something twins or in our sleep with the family gathered, the reality is that sometimes it's being hit by a bus or at 42 on the toilet. Eating a burger.
The world could do with losing a billion people or two, but society is too far up its own arse to accept that might mean them rather than some Chinese or Africans.
It's not a cliché, it's just a crock of shite.
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If we spent less time panicking about TCV, then perhaps we could get back to actually looking after the people who have been sidelined by the madness.
90,000 people are essentially holding the whole world to ransom.
you still don't get it do you ?
the more the Virus spreads ,the more hospital beds are taken up
or are you saying anyone ill with Covid doesn't deserve a hospital bed ?
what's the plan ? put all the covid patients in a field ? ::)
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If we spent less time panicking about TCV, then perhaps we could get back to actually looking after the people who have been sidelined by the madness.
90,000 people are essentially holding the whole world to ransom.
you still don't get it do you ?
the more the Virus spreads ,the more hospital beds are taken up
or are you saying anyone ill with Covid doesn't deserve a hospital bed ?
what's the plan ? put all the covid patients in a field ? ::)
You're pissing into the wind, Dave...again ;D
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The only time these people will change their tune is when a close one dies. Let's see them put that down to a cliché.
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If we spent less time panicking about TCV, then perhaps we could get back to actually looking after the people who have been sidelined by the madness.
90,000 people are essentially holding the whole world to ransom.
you still don't get it do you ?
the more the Virus spreads ,the more hospital beds are taken up
or are you saying anyone ill with Covid doesn't deserve a hospital bed ?
what's the plan ? put all the covid patients in a field ? ::)
Would it help?
Treating them in dedicated TCV centres would be a start. Those Nightingale hospitals are somewhat under utilised.
Most of those in hospital with TCV are either unvaccinated or in hospital for non TCV reasons and just happen to have tested positive :-X
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If we spent less time panicking about TCV, then perhaps we could get back to actually looking after the people who have been sidelined by the madness.
90,000 people are essentially holding the whole world to ransom.
you still don't get it do you ?
the more the Virus spreads ,the more hospital beds are taken up
or are you saying anyone ill with Covid doesn't deserve a hospital bed ?
what's the plan ? put all the covid patients in a field ? ::)
Would it help?
Ahhh....one of the well used, and stupid, answers you post when you have no answer.
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If we spent less time panicking about TCV, then perhaps we could get back to actually looking after the people who have been sidelined by the madness.
90,000 people are essentially holding the whole world to ransom.
you still don't get it do you ?
the more the Virus spreads ,the more hospital beds are taken up
or are you saying anyone ill with Covid doesn't deserve a hospital bed ?
what's the plan ? put all the covid patients in a field ? ::)
You're pissing into the wind, Dave...again ;D
I know ;)
but maybe someone reading his twaddle might think twice :-\
there is a bigger picture ,he's slightly inconvenienced by the pandemic
other people have lost family ,friends ,jobs,
AND not had lots of free furlough pay to sit watching American and Australian youtube videos :D
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If we spent less time panicking about TCV, then perhaps we could get back to actually looking after the people who have been sidelined by the madness.
90,000 people are essentially holding the whole world to ransom.
you still don't get it do you ?
the more the Virus spreads ,the more hospital beds are taken up
or are you saying anyone ill with Covid doesn't deserve a hospital bed ?
what's the plan ? put all the covid patients in a field ? ::)
You're pissing into the wind, Dave...again ;D
I know ;)
but maybe someone reading his twaddle might think twice :-\
there is a bigger picture ,he's slightly inconvenienced by the pandemic
other people have lost family ,friends ,jobs,
AND not had lots of free furlough pay to sit watching American and Australian youtube videos :D
Furlough pay which the taxpayer will be on the hook for years.
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The only time these people will change their tune is when a close one dies. Let's see them put that down to a cliché.
I held our last two dogs as they were put down and was the last person to speak to my Dad before he died, so don't assume that I have no concept of loss.
And I am sure as hell not scared of ifs, buts and maybes let alone waste time worrying about them.
As for being furloughed, I have never claimed anything previously, having worked (and contributed) continuously since the day after I left school, and am still paying tax and NI on it which is more than most people on benefits :-X
I would wager more people are still furloughed or otherwise underemployed in the UK than have died from TCV in Europe. In fact, there's between 1.1 and 1.6 million people still furloughed, which makes me fairly insignificant in the scheme of things.
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Oh, and don't forget Netflix ;D
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The only time these people will change their tune is when a close one dies. Let's see them put that down to a cliché.
I held our last two dogs as they were put down and was the last person to speak to my Dad before he died, so don't assume that I have no concept of loss.
And I am sure as hell not scared of ifs, buts and maybes let alone waste time worrying about them.
As for being furloughed, I have never claimed anything previously, having worked (and contributed) continuously since the day after I left school, and am still paying tax and NI on it which is more than most people on benefits :-X
I would wager more people are still furloughed or otherwise underemployed in the UK than have died from TCV in Europe. In fact, there's between 1.1 and 1.6 million people still furloughed, which makes me fairly insignificant in the scheme of things.
You just said a mouthful ;D
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The only time these people will change their tune is when a close one dies. Let's see them put that down to a cliché.
I held our last two dogs as they were put down and was the last person to speak to my Dad before he died, so don't assume that I have no concept of loss.
And I am sure as hell not scared of ifs, buts and maybes let alone waste time worrying about them.
As for being furloughed, I have never claimed anything previously, having worked (and contributed) continuously since the day after I left school, and am still paying tax and NI on it which is more than most people on benefits :-X
I would wager more people are still furloughed or otherwise underemployed in the UK than have died from TCV in Europe. In fact, there's between 1.1 and 1.6 million people still furloughed, which makes me fairly insignificant in the scheme of things.
You just said a mouthful ;D
Not at all, my being furloughed makes about as much difference to anything as Dave hiding under the mattress.
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The only time these people will change their tune is when a close one dies. Let's see them put that down to a cliché.
I held our last two dogs as they were put down and was the last person to speak to my Dad before he died, so don't assume that I have no concept of loss.
And I am sure as hell not scared of ifs, buts and maybes let alone waste time worrying about them.
As for being furloughed, I have never claimed anything previously, having worked (and contributed) continuously since the day after I left school, and am still paying tax and NI on it which is more than most people on benefits :-X
I would wager more people are still furloughed or otherwise underemployed in the UK than have died from TCV in Europe. In fact, there's between 1.1 and 1.6 million people still furloughed, which makes me fairly insignificant in the scheme of things.
You just said a mouthful ;D
Not at all, my being furloughed makes about as much difference to anything as Dave hiding under the mattress.
If you say so. :)
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How many of those pennies were BAME or transgender , I think we should be told ;)
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I would wager more people are still furloughed or otherwise underemployed in the UK than have died from TCV in Europe . In fact, there's between 1.1 and 1.6 million people still furloughed, which makes me fairly insignificant in the scheme of things.
furlough pay is a safety net to give people money to eat, pay rent etc because their sector of the economy is shut to stop the virus spreading .
had everything remained open and no restrictions had been put in place then thousands more people would have died .
it's NOT a payment just to stop the furloughed person catching covid ::)
so the comparison between the number of people still on furlough and the number of people who "have died from TCV in Europe" is not comparable ???
........ my being furloughed makes about as much difference to anything as Dave hiding under the mattress.
I've not hid under the mattress :)
BUT .
I've worn a face mask since before the first lockdown in enclosed spaces ,shops ,people's houses when doing jobs etc
used hand sanitizer and disinfectant ,lots and lots of disinfectant , and stayed away from people as much as possible .
I have taken the pandemic seriously and taken precautions to protect myself and others .
had everyone done the same and not dismissed a global pandemic as " a cold" ,we wouldn't be in such a mess ::)
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I agree we need to be careful of course, but… the ramifications of the COVID has meant that many many people have suffered terrible illnesses that could have been cured such as cancer for one because NHS is too busy with COVID. All pandemics are serious and frightening as it is the unknown which we fear most. Patients now know that unless you have COVID you have little chance of getting the treatment you need to survive. Obviously it can’t be left to just propagate but IMO there needs to be some sort of relief for the people who are suffering illnesses at least as bad as COVID as well as sadly they are definitely not getting the treatment they had before this lot. There were lots of the so called nightingale hospitals available maybe it would be best to treat COVID there as said earlier. I’m totally aware there’s no easy solution we’re all fu(^ked.
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I agree we need to be careful of course, but… the ramifications of the COVID has meant that many many people have suffered terrible illnesses that could have been cured such as cancer for one because NHS is too busy with COVID. All pandemics are serious and frightening as it is the unknown which we fear most. Patients now know that unless you have COVID you have little chance of getting the treatment you need to survive. Obviously it can’t be left to just propagate but IMO there needs to be some sort of relief for the people who are suffering illnesses at least as bad as COVID as well as sadly they are definitely not getting the treatment they had before this lot. There were lots of the so called nightingale hospitals available maybe it would be best to treat COVID there as said earlier. I’m totally aware there’s no easy solution we’re all fu(^ked.
I had a builder round to fit me a gate. He did a terrible job so I got a joiner to fit me a propagate. ;D
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I agree we need to be careful of course, but… the ramifications of the COVID has meant that many many people have suffered terrible illnesses that could have been cured such as cancer for one because NHS is too busy with COVID. All pandemics are serious and frightening as it is the unknown which we fear most. Patients now know that unless you have COVID you have little chance of getting the treatment you need to survive. Obviously it can’t be left to just propagate but IMO there needs to be some sort of relief for the people who are suffering illnesses at least as bad as COVID as well as sadly they are definitely not getting the treatment they had before this lot. There were lots of the so called nightingale hospitals available maybe it would be best to treat COVID there as said earlier. I’m totally aware there’s no easy solution we’re all fu(^ked.
I agree :)
sadly there are not enough staff ,nurses and doctors to staff nightingale hospitals ,that would be a great solution if there was :)
It takes years to train people , we don't have enough staff to cope with the hospital workload even without Covid :(
I have relatives who need hospital treatment ,I've had friends die of covid :(
I hope we can keep covid cases down ,so non covid patients get seen .
simple things like Hands (washing/sanitizing), face (mask) and space (give strangers a wide birth) reduce infection .
the pandemic is not over , simple ,free measures can save lives ,even now
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I would wager more people are still furloughed or otherwise underemployed in the UK than have died from TCV in Europe . In fact, there's between 1.1 and 1.6 million people still furloughed, which makes me fairly insignificant in the scheme of things.
furlough pay is a safety net to give people money to eat, pay rent etc because their sector of the economy is shut to stop the virus spreading .
had everything remained open and no restrictions had been put in place then thousands more people would have died .
it's NOT a payment just to stop the furloughed person catching covid ::)
so the comparison between the number of people still on furlough and the number of people who "have died from TCV in Europe" is not comparable ???
........ my being furloughed makes about as much difference to anything as Dave hiding under the mattress.
I've not hid under the mattress :)
BUT .
I've worn a face mask since before the first lockdown in enclosed spaces ,shops ,people's houses when doing jobs etc
used hand sanitizer and disinfectant ,lots and lots of disinfectant , and stayed away from people as much as possible .
I have taken the pandemic seriously and taken precautions to protect myself and others .
had everyone done the same and not dismissed a global pandemic as " a cold" ,we wouldn't be in such a mess ::)
I know what furlough pay is for, the financial cost of shutting down whole industries far outweighs the benefits.
As for the rest, we'll never know...
I am grateful not to live in Australia though. The way the government in Victoria is carrying on, you'd think the air was made of mustard gas. This whole thing has turned into political fear mongering and an excuse to try and control people.
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I know what furlough pay is for, the financial cost of shutting down whole industries far outweighs the benefits.
As for the rest, we'll never know...
I am grateful not to live in Australia though. The way the government in Victoria is carrying on, you'd think the air was made of mustard gas. This whole thing has turned into political fear mongering and an excuse to try and control people.
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how much is a few 100 thousand lives worth then :-\
I can't seem to find a pricelist ::)
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http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1808049,00.html
$50,000 - $129,000 as you asked.
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I agree we need to be careful of course, but… the ramifications of the COVID has meant that many many people have suffered terrible illnesses that could have been cured such as cancer for one because NHS is too busy with COVID. All pandemics are serious and frightening as it is the unknown which we fear most. Patients now know that unless you have COVID you have little chance of getting the treatment you need to survive. Obviously it can’t be left to just propagate but IMO there needs to be some sort of relief for the people who are suffering illnesses at least as bad as COVID as well as sadly they are definitely not getting the treatment they had before this lot. There were lots of the so called nightingale hospitals available maybe it would be best to treat COVID there as said earlier. I’m totally aware there’s no easy solution we’re all fu(^ked.
I had a builder round to fit me a gate. He did a terrible job so I got a joiner to fit me a propagate. ;D
Good job you didn’t need a fence, someone may have taken it…
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The stupidity of a lot of people regarding Covid is beyond belief.
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I had a builder round to fit me a gate. He did a terrible job so I got a joiner to fit me a propagate. ;D
Good job you didn’t need a fence, someone may have taken it…
There's a joke in there somewhere ;D
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The stupidity of a lot of people regarding Covid is beyond belief.
Indeed it is.
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http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1808049,00.html
$50,000 - $129,000 as you asked.
No, he asked how much a few hundred thousand lives were worth. At $50,000, that's $223.5 billion for the 4,271,371 people who've died worldwide, or $551 billion @ $129,000 per life.
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http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1808049,00.html
$50,000 - $129,000 as you asked.
Do you think that is a fair price ?
Also, That's American lives :P
and, based on what an insurance company(not known for parting with money if they can wiggle out of it) would begrudgingly pay out for one year of "quality life".
people tend to be dead for longer than 1 year ::)
Can't you get British T'internet :D
I imagine only the selfish pr**ks and sociopaths of this world would sell their granny for £36k
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http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1808049,00.html
$50,000 - $129,000 as you asked.
No, he asked how much a few hundred thousand lives were worth. At $50,000, that's $223.5 billion for the 4,271,371 people who've died worldwide, or $551 billion @ $129,000 per life.
I know, although I didn't mention it as I didn't want to make it sound like the be all and end all.
But as you mention it, the net cost to the global economy in 2020 was $1.06 Trillion (4.5% of global GDP minus 3.3% growth, ie 1.2% of $88 Trillion), so you could say that we have overpaid by a factor of 2. :-X
So if you ask if it was worth it, statistically and economically, the answer has to be no, probably not.
And all this talk of death ignores the fact that the population has INCREASED by 80,000,000 in the last year inspite of everything.
We're worse than rabbits and plastic bags. So as a planet, could we do with losing a couple of billion people? It probably wouldn't hurt.
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http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1808049,00.html
$50,000 - $129,000 as you asked.
Do you think that is a fair price ?
Also, That's American lives :P
and, based on what an insurance company(not known for parting with money if they can wiggle out of it) would begrudgingly pay out for one year of "quality life".
people tend to be dead for longer than 1 year ::)
Can't you get British T'internet :D
I imagine only the selfish pr**ks and sociopaths of this world would sell their granny for £36k
I didn't say whether I thought it was fair or not. Although life isn't fair, so you could start there. But you asked the question, and that range was the answer.
And if she were still here, Granny would be a whole lot less worried than some people seem to be.
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http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1808049,00.html
$50,000 - $129,000 as you asked.
Do you think that is a fair price ?
Also, That's American lives :P
and, based on what an insurance company(not known for parting with money if they can wiggle out of it) would begrudgingly pay out for one year of "quality life".
people tend to be dead for longer than 1 year ::)
Can't you get British T'internet :D
I imagine only the selfish pr**ks and sociopaths of this world would sell their granny for £36k
I didn't say whether I thought it was fair or not. Although life isn't fair, so you could start there. But you asked the question, and that range was the answer.
And if she were still here, Granny would be a whole lot less worried than some people seem to be.
The fact remains, as with most of the conspiracy theorists ideas, no one takes a blind bit of notice of their ravings. You can argue about these things until your arse heals up, but the sensible section of society will just carry on doing what they do. Trying to save lives, and voting Biden in. ;D
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Don't be so sure, his ratings make Corbyn seem popular ;D
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Don't be so sure, his ratings make Corbyn seem popular ;D
Depends which site you look on. I looked on one that wasn't fox a while back and, at 54%, he was more popular than either Trump or Obama for most of their tenure.
But please don't hit me with links from obscure sites, cause I really couldn't give a fûck.
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Oh...and I definitely am sure that Biden was voted in.
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Down to 50% today according to 538.
Disapproval is upto 43%
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Down to 50% today according to 538.
Disapproval is upto 43%
So more approve than disapprove. That's democracy for you.
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Oh...and I definitely am sure that Biden was voted in.
I wonder if he is aware that he is POTUS?
He has the intellectual capacity of a boiled potato.
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Oh...and I definitely am sure that Biden was voted in.
I wonder if he is aware that he is POTUS?
He has the intellectual capacity of a boiled potato.
Yes, he never got anywhere near your achievements.
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Actually, that's unfair. I'm sure, if you could be arsed, you could make something of yourself ;D
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Oh...and I definitely am sure that Biden was voted in.
I wonder if he is aware that he is POTUS?
He has the intellectual capacity of a boiled potato.
Yes, he never got anywhere near your achievements.
You're wrong.
In a previous life I was FDR. :P :P :P
I worry he may get the nuclear codes mixed up with his bingo numbers......and BOOM. ;D ;D
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Actually, that's unfair. I'm sure, if you could be arsed, you could make something of yourself ;D
I may 'aspire' to live in Barnsley one day. :)
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Thinking back, have any recent presidents been anything other than bumbling idiots?
Obama seemed to have his wits about him but, basically, achieved nothing.
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Thinking back, have any recent presidents been anything other than bumbling idiots?
Obama seemed to have his wits about him but, basically, achieved nothing.
Truman may be considered a decent man if we overlook the fact he dropped two large bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of people. ::) :-X
Reagan was often confused and bewildered in his later years. Much like old Joe in that respect. :)
Lincoln?.....now apparently a racist. :)
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Thinking back, have any recent presidents been anything other than bumbling idiots?
Obama seemed to have his wits about him but, basically, achieved nothing.
Truman may be considered a decent man if we overlook the fact he dropped two large bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of people. ::) :-X
Reagan was often confused and bewildered in his later years. Much like old Joe in that respect. :)
Lincoln?.....now apparently a racist. :)
Recent?
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Thinking back, have any recent presidents been anything other than bumbling idiots?
Obama seemed to have his wits about him but, basically, achieved nothing.
Truman may be considered a decent man if we overlook the fact he dropped two large bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of people. ::) :-X
Reagan was often confused and bewildered in his later years. Much like old Joe in that respect. :)
Lincoln?.....now apparently a racist. :)
Recent?
Reagan is relatively recent. 1988.
I have socks older than that.
As for Obama. I never really rated this half white chap. :)
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Reagan came across as a bumbling old fool ,but if you look at his record, he was the best President for a very longtime.
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Reagan came across as a bumbling old fool ,but if you look at his record, he was the best President for a very longtime.
Six months in and Sippy Cup is being heralded the worst ever.
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Reagan came across as a bumbling old fool ,but if you look at his record, he was the best President for a very longtime.
Six months in and Sippy Cup is being heralded the worst ever.
HAHAHAHAHAHA ;D
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Reagan came across as a bumbling old fool ,but if you look at his record, he was the best President for a very longtime.
Six months in and Sippy Cup is being heralded the worst ever.
I bet there's a Sky News Australia video on Youtube saying that! ???
Oh wait! ::) :P ;D
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Reagan came across as a bumbling old fool ,but if you look at his record, he was the best President for a very longtime.
Six months in and Sippy Cup is being heralded the worst ever.
I bet there's a Sky News Australia video on Youtube saying that! ???
Oh wait! ::) :P ;D
A few posts ago his approval rating was 54% ;D
I suspect Al is on drugs ::)
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https://youtu.be/PUif106VC-o
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Reagan came across as a bumbling old fool ,but if you look at his record, he was the best President for a very longtime.
Six months in and Sippy Cup is being heralded the worst ever.
I bet there's a Sky News Australia video on Youtube saying that! ???
Oh wait! ::) :P ;D
A few posts ago his approval rating was 54% ;D
I suspect Al is on drugs ::)
That's one thing I can categorically say will never happen.
You said it was 54% 'a while ago' but that you didn't want an up to date link, so I didn't bother posting one. 538 had him at 50.4 when I looked earlier.
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Meanwhile, back on topic:
Australia is going insane (https://youtu.be/kqrJTmfloO8)
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Meanwhile, back on topic:
Australia is going insane (https://youtu.be/kqrJTmfloO8)
Lay off the drugs.
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Meanwhile, back on topic:
Australia is going insane (https://youtu.be/kqrJTmfloO8)
Lay off the drugs.
Again, categorically, I do not, have never and will never take drugs. >:(
You might not agree with my perspective, or pretend to understand my thought processes but to suggest that I might be 'on' something is deeply offensive.
And if you think that what is happening in Australia currently is reasonable then there's quite possibly something very wrong with you.
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Australia has gone insane and wait till Delta lands in New Zealand to see Comrade Jacinda's response! ;D
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Again banging on about America and Australia ???
Here in the UK currently 1,267,080 confirmed active cases 1.9% of the population
Delta variant is on the increase in the UK
Astrazeneca vaccine is only 92% effective against hospitalisation if you are double jabbed ,half the UK isn't double jabbed
every new infection is a possible mutation and look how well new variants have become more deadly in 18 months
wearing a mask in public places , social distancing and sanitizing seems a sensible choice right now
unless you're immortal and have no consideration for others of course ::)
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Meanwhile, back on topic:
Australia is going insane (https://youtu.be/kqrJTmfloO8)
Lay off the drugs.
Again, categorically, I do not, have never and will never take drugs. >:(
You might not agree with my perspective, or pretend to understand my thought processes but to suggest that I might be 'on' something is deeply offensive.
And if you think that what is happening in Australia currently is reasonable then there's quite possibly something very wrong with you.
Deeply offensive? Grow up.
And as for Australia, have you started with your theories over there now?
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Meanwhile, back on topic:
Australia is going insane (https://youtu.be/kqrJTmfloO8)
Lay off the drugs.
Again, categorically, I do not, have never and will never take drugs. >:(
You might not agree with my perspective, or pretend to understand my thought processes but to suggest that I might be 'on' something is deeply offensive.
And if you think that what is happening in Australia currently is reasonable then there's quite possibly something very wrong with you.
Deeply offensive? Grow up.
And as for Australia, have you started with your theories over there now?
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A snowflake on OOF wow ! Offensive gasp..😄😄😄
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Got to say, 82,000 tests, 111 cases 1 death (someone in their eighties) and a total lockdown? Seems a bit extreme to me too. Or is there something I’m not seeing here?
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Again banging on about America and Australia ???
Here in the UK currently 1,267,080 confirmed active cases 1.9% of the population
Delta variant is on the increase in the UK
Astrazeneca vaccine is only 92% effective against hospitalisation if you are double jabbed ,half the UK isn't double jabbed
every new infection is a possible mutation and look how well new variants have become more deadly in 18 months
wearing a mask in public places , social distancing and sanitizing seems a sensible choice right now
unless you're immortal and have no consideration for others of course ::)
Eh? Only 92% effective? That's pretty good if you ask me? ???
About 39 million have been double jabbed which is about 74% of the adult population which is also pretty good news. ::)
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Again banging on about America and Australia ???
Here in the UK currently 1,267,080 confirmed active cases 1.9% of the population
Delta variant is on the increase in the UK
Astrazeneca vaccine is only 92% effective against hospitalisation if you are double jabbed ,half the UK isn't double jabbed
every new infection is a possible mutation and look how well new variants have become more deadly in 18 months
wearing a mask in public places , social distancing and sanitizing seems a sensible choice right now
unless you're immortal and have no consideration for others of course ::)
ONLY 881 CRITICAL cases out of that 1.2 million cases.
Obviously that detail doesn't fit the hysterical apocalyptic doomsday narrative :-X
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Meanwhile, back on topic:
Australia is going insane (https://youtu.be/kqrJTmfloO8)
Lay off the drugs.
Again, categorically, I do not, have never and will never take drugs. >:(
You might not agree with my perspective, or pretend to understand my thought processes but to suggest that I might be 'on' something is deeply offensive.
And if you think that what is happening in Australia currently is reasonable then there's quite possibly something very wrong with you.
Deeply offensive? Grow up.
And as for Australia, have you started with your theories over there now?
I am vehemently anti drugs, so yes deeply offensive not 'snowflakish'.
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Got to say, 82,000 tests, 111 cases 1 death (someone in their eighties) and a total lockdown? Seems a bit extreme to me too. Or is there something I’m not seeing here?
Australia's strategy for limiting the impact of C-19 has, from the start revolved around fast and decisive state-wide lockdowns where even a small number of cases are seen. They have a much lower vaccination rate than other countries (c15% vs about 60% in the UK for example). They've had about 950 deaths total from covid, vs our 130k over here, so its clearly an effective strategy for reducing deaths.
I guess it depends on what metric you use to measure a successful response to a pandemic.
As for the impact on businesses, we have 3 production facilities down there, one for underlay and two for carpet (so directly tied to the housing market and reasonable indicators of the economy as a whole) and the lockdowns aren't having a massive impact on the economy from their perspective. Certainly that's what the FDs are telling us. What is killing them is the cost of containers to bring in raw materials $6,000 a pop, up from $1500 18 months ago :o
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Each lockdown only prolongs the inevitable should they ever reopen fully.
Presumably the impact on production depends on which States the plants are in as Victoria and NSW seem to be the most draconian :-\
My elderly aunt in Melbourne is scared of her own shadow and is reluctant to sit in her garden lest the police come knocking.
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Like I said earlier, governments will do what they do. Australia and the US can do what they like, it neither concerns nor interests me.
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Like I said earlier, governments will do what they do. Australia and the US can do what they like, it neither concerns nor interests me.
That's alright then.
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ONLY 881 CRITICAL cases out of that 1.2 million cases.
Obviously that detail doesn't fit the hysterical apocalyptic doomsday narrative :-X
I don't need the big writing thanks ,it's you who must be blind ::)
those 881 are on ventilation , 5,686 in hospital ::)
Testing down 11%
deaths up 14.4%
I'm not "hysterical"
"how can you be so obtuse" :-\ :D
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Up 14% compared to when? Yesterday? This day last year?
And even if you round up to 6,000, heck lets call it a round 60,000 whilst we're being dramatic ::), that's still a very long way away from 1.2 million...
It's not a question of being obtuse, the numbers simply don't justify the hysteria.
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Again banging on about America and Australia ???
Here in the UK currently 1,267,080 confirmed active cases 1.9% of the population
Delta variant is on the increase in the UK
Astrazeneca vaccine is only 92% effective against hospitalisation if you are double jabbed ,half the UK isn't double jabbed
every new infection is a possible mutation and look how well new variants have become more deadly in 18 months
wearing a mask in public places , social distancing and sanitizing seems a sensible choice right now
unless you're immortal and have no consideration for others of course ::)
Eh? Only 92% effective? That's pretty good if you ask me? ???
About 39 million have been double jabbed which is about 74% of the adult population which is also pretty good news. ::)
92% sounds good to me.
92% chance of winning the lottery
92% chance of not snuffing it from a heart attack or stroke.
92% chance of me having sex with a set of 23 year old blonde (girlie) triplets. ::)
People can be too 'risk averse' :)
Accept there will always be risk and enjoy your life. :y
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92% does sound pretty good. But 8% of 39 million is 3,120,000 that are still unprotected. :-\
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You pair still aren't getting the many points relevant to the UK ::)
there are now NO measures in place to stop the spread in the UK.
the whole idea of the measures is to not overload the NHS .
the NHS is massively overloaded now ,there is no quick fix for that .
20% of people who contract covid and live could have long covid and be a drain on resources for years.
people are not dead within 28 days of a positive test anymore ,they get blood clots and other complications ,die weeks or months down the line ,using up NHS resources .
every hospital bed taken up by a covid patient is one not available for other medical needs .
every new infection is a possible mutation
hands, face, space costs nothing ,it's not "hysteria" ,it's just common sense .
ignorance and selfishness is why the UK is in such a mess
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92% does sound pretty good. But 8% of 39 million is 3,120,000 that are still unprotected. :-\
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Unfortunately the idiots will carry on regardless all this percentage quoting is total boll ocks , some just argue for the sake of it and to try to wind folk up .
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The NHS can't cope with two things at once. It's never been able to.
It's always too much flu, or too hot, or too icy, or too expensive, or not enough staff... ::)
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The NHS is unfortunately totally abused & has been for years , I spent 10 years in the LAS 69-79 I would guess that 70 percent of our call red accident shouts were total rubbish, I have caught snippets of the odd Ambulance programmes that are on at present & appears nothing has changed in that time, if people were charged they would think twice about wasting highly trained professionals time in the NHS.
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The NHS can't cope with two things at once. It's never been able to.
It's always too much flu, or too hot, or too icy, or too expensive, or not enough staff... ::)
So we'll try to stop it having to cope with two things at once. Glad you're coming round.
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The NHS is unfortunately totally abused & has been for years , I spent 10 years in the LAS 69-79 I would guess that 70 percent of our call red accident shouts were total rubbish, I have caught snippets of the odd Ambulance programmes that are on at present & appears nothing has changed in that time, if people were charged they would think twice about wasting highly trained professionals time in the NHS.
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That should have been 1979/89..
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The NHS can't cope with two things at once. It's never been able to.
It's always too much flu, or too hot, or too icy, or too expensive, or not enough staff... ::)
So we'll try to stop it having to cope with two things at once. Glad you're coming round.
I'm not particularly. If they're short of beds, they might consider using the ones they spent last spring setting up.
Lurching from one crisis to the next isn't a solution or sustainable.
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The NHS can't cope with two things at once. It's never been able to.
It's always too much flu, or too hot, or too icy, or too expensive, or not enough staff... ::)
So we'll try to stop it having to cope with two things at once. Glad you're coming round.
I'm not particularly. If they're short of beds, they might consider using the ones they spent last spring setting up.
Lurching from one crisis to the next isn't a solution or sustainable.
Think that they dismantled most of them? ???
Although the one that they built in an ex-Homebase store in Exeter is still there and used as some sort of cancer triage centre. :y
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Equipment is relatively easy to obtain; you just throw (newly printed) money at the problem and someone somewhere will be happy to supply what you want, for a price.
The bigger problem is the staff to man these new beds/wards/hospitals, which you can't just magic up from nowhere. There is a 7 year lead time for doctors, and 4? year lead time for nurses. I believe there is also a government imposed cap on the number of available places at University for Doctors and Nurses courses, so the supply can't be increased quickly anyway.
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Equipment is relatively easy to obtain; you just throw (newly printed) money at the problem and someone somewhere will be happy to supply what you want, for a price.
The bigger problem is the staff to man these new beds/wards/hospitals, which you can't just magic up from nowhere. There is a 7 year lead time for doctors, and 4? year lead time for nurses. I believe there is also a government imposed cap on the number of available places at University for Doctors and Nurses courses, so the supply can't be increased quickly anyway.
You're right, there is a cap and mostly because it is cheaper to steal trained doctors and nurses from other usually poorer countries, who do invest in their own youngsters only to see them disappear off to countries like Britain and the US. ::)
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Equipment is relatively easy to obtain; you just throw (newly printed) money at the problem and someone somewhere will be happy to supply what you want, for a price.
The bigger problem is the staff to man these new beds/wards/hospitals, which you can't just magic up from nowhere. There is a 7 year lead time for doctors, and 4? year lead time for nurses. I believe there is also a government imposed cap on the number of available places at University for Doctors and Nurses courses, so the supply can't be increased quickly anyway.
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The other problem is getting people who want to deal with the public in stressful situations , because of the way staff are treated by the great British public ( majority who appear to be morons) that's why NHS staff are leaving .