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Title: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Varche on 04 December 2021, 14:39:30
Russia has been massing 90,000 troops on the Ukraine border. Also using the same rhetoric used before annexing the Crimea. Another 90,000 on the way.

It will be interesting to see what ( if anything) the West does when it all kicks off in the New Year.

Might give the news channels something else other than Omicron to analyse to death.
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2021, 14:46:40
Russia has been massing 90,000 troops on the Ukraine border. Also using the same rhetoric used before annexing the Crimea. Another 90,000 on the way.

It will be interesting to see what ( if anything) the West does when it all kicks off in the New Year.

Might give the news channels something else other than Omicron to analyse to death.

The answer is SFA.

Old Joe has just pulled out of Afghanistan. He is too old and worn out to do anything.
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 04 December 2021, 15:59:42
It's possible that there will be a coordinated double pronged move. Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan at the same time.  :-\
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: STEMO on 04 December 2021, 16:05:25
It's possible that there will be a coordinated double pronged move. Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan at the same time.  :-\
If that happens, we could invade Ireland  ;D
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2021, 16:09:28
It's possible that there will be a coordinated double pronged move. Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan at the same time.  :-\

Formerly part of the USSR so Putin would see this as taking back what already belongs to mother Russia.
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 December 2021, 16:13:55
The only real answer is the USA / West to enter a war footing with the threat of using nuclear weapons on Beijing and Moscow in a preemptive strike.

But as democracies we do not do that, and the thought of WW3 which would end life as we know it, terrifies most of us.  The danger is the non-democratic entities will not be so squeamish as history has highlighted.

No doubt all the West's military forces are already on full standby for all eventualities, as Taiwan is being threatened and the forces on the Ukrainian border have been amassing for the last year, so tin hats on everyone.

Covid could be the smallest of our worries ::) ::) :P

Where is Rod2? :D ;)
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 December 2021, 16:20:23
It's possible that there will be a coordinated double pronged move. Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan at the same time.  :-\

Formerly part of the USSR so Putin would see this as taking back what already belongs to mother Russia.

Yes, just like Hitler with Annexation of Austria, Sudetenland - Czechoslovakia.........then full invasion of Poland.............!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: STEMO on 04 December 2021, 16:32:26
It's possible that there will be a coordinated double pronged move. Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan at the same time.  :-\

Formerly part of the USSR so Putin would see this as taking back what already belongs to mother Russia.
But before it was part of the USSR it was an independent country  ::)
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 December 2021, 16:38:27
It's possible that there will be a coordinated double pronged move. Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan at the same time.  :-\

Formerly part of the USSR so Putin would see this as taking back what already belongs to mother Russia.
But before it was part of the USSR it was an independent country  ::)

I'll have take your word for that but I doubt Vlad will see it that way. ::)
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 04 December 2021, 16:57:34
It's possible that there will be a coordinated double pronged move. Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan at the same time.  :-\
If that happens, we could invade Ireland  ;D

Yes that would solve the problem of the Nothern Ireland Protocol!  :y

We could take back Calay as well, and invite that nice Mr Trump to build a bleddy great wall along the border!  :D
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 December 2021, 17:01:35
For a fee of course :D
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 04 December 2021, 17:18:42
For a fee of course :D

Of course.  The French will pay!  :y
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 December 2021, 17:25:41
It's possible that there will be a coordinated double pronged move. Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan at the same time.  :-\
If that happens, we could invade Ireland  ;D

Yes that would solve the problem of the Nothern Ireland Protocol!  :y

We could take back Calay as well, and invite that nice Mr Trump to build a bleddy great wall along the border!  :D

You mean reinforce Hadrian's Wall by making it 15 feet high so those marauding independance seeking Scots cannot invade us?! ;D ;D ;)

As for Calais, bring back Henry V I say he would soon sort out the French!! :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Raeturbo on 04 December 2021, 19:44:09
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: STEMO on 04 December 2021, 19:46:07
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Varche on 04 December 2021, 20:22:26
There have been tens of years since nuclear weapons were invented.

Very dangerous to assume that is the worst thing out there. Just look at all the tech changes in the last fifty years.  Covid 2.0 springs to mind. Easy to deliver , easy to counteract with the correct antidote. Why lay waste to thousands of acres of infrastructure.?
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 04 December 2021, 20:34:32
There have been tens of years since nuclear weapons were invented.

Very dangerous to assume that is the worst thing out there. Just look at all the tech changes in the last fifty years. Covid 2.0 springs to mind. Easy to deliver , easy to counteract with the correct antidote. Why lay waste to thousands of acres of infrastructure.?

It was not much reported in the British press (no surprise) but apparently the Turks were using 'swarms' of autonomous armed mini drones in Libya with devastating effect!  :o

Not so long ago that sort of thing was the stuff of science fiction.  ::)
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 December 2021, 20:35:33
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
Who would the Chinese sell all their shit to?
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: dave the builder on 04 December 2021, 20:37:35
Covid  2.0  ???

we're on Covid 19  - sub variant B.1.1.529 already

keep up at the back  :P
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 04 December 2021, 20:39:42
Gesundheit.
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Raeturbo on 05 December 2021, 00:42:22
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
              Nope,..  we are outgunned there..

https://www.armscontrol.org/sites/default/files/images/Factsheets/ACA_BarChart_WarheadInventories_1121.png
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: STEMO on 05 December 2021, 07:25:34
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
              Nope,..  we are outgunned there..

https://www.armscontrol.org/sites/default/files/images/Factsheets/ACA_BarChart_WarheadInventories_1121.png
No one is outgunned. Both sides have enough to destroy the other. Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD.
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Raeturbo on 05 December 2021, 11:24:50
True, and a few times over
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 05 December 2021, 11:43:27
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
              Nope,..  we are outgunned there..

https://www.armscontrol.org/sites/default/files/images/Factsheets/ACA_BarChart_WarheadInventories_1121.png
No one is outgunned. Both sides have enough to destroy the other. Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD.

Indeed.  But the game is that each side try and find enough of a defensive system that will give them a technical lead and time to deliver nuclear payloads onto the other side's key targets before their missiles can have any effect, if any.

The question will always be have the other side got that advantage to mount a strike without fear of total wipeout.  That is what keeps MI6 / CIA and others very busy on our side of the fence ;)
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Varche on 07 December 2021, 21:38:07
Sanctions

Ukraine never to join NATO

Gas shortages and prices to go up even more.
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: TD on 07 December 2021, 22:15:44
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.

We could always get STEMO to eat a few tins of beans and sit on an oil pipeline from Russia....we could could ignite the oil and the 'blowback' would 'torch' Russia....end of.....Simples  :D
Title: Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
Post by: Raeturbo on 07 December 2021, 22:20:53
Good idea🤣 do you think he’s up for it? :D