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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #15 on: 04 December 2021, 20:22:26 »
There have been tens of years since nuclear weapons were invented.

Very dangerous to assume that is the worst thing out there. Just look at all the tech changes in the last fifty years.  Covid 2.0 springs to mind. Easy to deliver , easy to counteract with the correct antidote. Why lay waste to thousands of acres of infrastructure.?
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #16 on: 04 December 2021, 20:34:32 »
Quote from: Varche on 04 December 2021, 20:22:26
There have been tens of years since nuclear weapons were invented.

Very dangerous to assume that is the worst thing out there. Just look at all the tech changes in the last fifty years. Covid 2.0 springs to mind. Easy to deliver , easy to counteract with the correct antidote. Why lay waste to thousands of acres of infrastructure.?

It was not much reported in the British press (no surprise) but apparently the Turks were using 'swarms' of autonomous armed mini drones in Libya with devastating effect!  :o

Not so long ago that sort of thing was the stuff of science fiction.  ::)
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #17 on: 04 December 2021, 20:35:33 »
Quote from: STEMO on 04 December 2021, 19:46:07
Quote from: Raeturbo on 04 December 2021, 19:44:09
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
Who would the Chinese sell all their shit to?
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #18 on: 04 December 2021, 20:37:35 »
Covid  2.0  ???

we're on Covid 19  - sub variant B.1.1.529 already

keep up at the back  :P
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #19 on: 04 December 2021, 20:39:42 »
Gesundheit.
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #20 on: 05 December 2021, 00:42:22 »
Quote from: STEMO on 04 December 2021, 19:46:07
Quote from: Raeturbo on 04 December 2021, 19:44:09
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
              Nope,..  we are outgunned there..

https://www.armscontrol.org/sites/default/files/images/Factsheets/ACA_BarChart_WarheadInventories_1121.png
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #21 on: 05 December 2021, 07:25:34 »
Quote from: Raeturbo on 05 December 2021, 00:42:22
Quote from: STEMO on 04 December 2021, 19:46:07
Quote from: Raeturbo on 04 December 2021, 19:44:09
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
              Nope,..  we are outgunned there..

https://www.armscontrol.org/sites/default/files/images/Factsheets/ACA_BarChart_WarheadInventories_1121.png
No one is outgunned. Both sides have enough to destroy the other. Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD.
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #22 on: 05 December 2021, 11:24:50 »
True, and a few times over
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #23 on: 05 December 2021, 11:43:27 »
Quote from: STEMO on 05 December 2021, 07:25:34
Quote from: Raeturbo on 05 December 2021, 00:42:22
Quote from: STEMO on 04 December 2021, 19:46:07
Quote from: Raeturbo on 04 December 2021, 19:44:09
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.
Unbeatable, in a conventional war. That's why we have nuclear weapons. M.A.D.
              Nope,..  we are outgunned there..

https://www.armscontrol.org/sites/default/files/images/Factsheets/ACA_BarChart_WarheadInventories_1121.png
No one is outgunned. Both sides have enough to destroy the other. Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD.

Indeed.  But the game is that each side try and find enough of a defensive system that will give them a technical lead and time to deliver nuclear payloads onto the other side's key targets before their missiles can have any effect, if any.

The question will always be have the other side got that advantage to mount a strike without fear of total wipeout.  That is what keeps MI6 / CIA and others very busy on our side of the fence ;)
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #24 on: 07 December 2021, 21:38:07 »
Sanctions

Ukraine never to join NATO

Gas shortages and prices to go up even more.
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #25 on: 07 December 2021, 22:15:44 »
Quote from: Raeturbo on 04 December 2021, 19:44:09
China and Russia together would be a very formidable force.

We could always get STEMO to eat a few tins of beans and sit on an oil pipeline from Russia....we could could ignite the oil and the 'blowback' would 'torch' Russia....end of.....Simples  :D
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Re: Ukraine-Russia, NATO, USA
« Reply #26 on: 07 December 2021, 22:20:53 »
Good idea🤣 do you think he’s up for it? :D
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