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Title: US hegemony
Post by: Migalot on 30 August 2022, 19:32:18
I found this so informative, that I thought others may want to view. It's 22 minutes long, but very much worth a watch, IMHO:  :y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmOePNsNFw0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmOePNsNFw0)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Mister Rog on 30 August 2022, 23:19:10

Ok, firstly hands up, I did not watch the whole thing, first 5 mins or so
But I see some sense.
Not Just NATO expansion being seen as a threat by Russia, but also EU expansion Eastwards.


Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 August 2022, 14:12:08
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 14:53:22
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X
Don't know, Barack Obama?
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migalot on 31 August 2022, 16:48:23
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 August 2022, 17:14:08
Yep, the Democrats seem to feel obliged to attack some foreign country or other when they are in power.
Maybe to distract from the ruination they inflict on the economy at home ?
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 17:27:20
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
No? Shocked face  ;D ;D
The orange coward.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 August 2022, 17:58:13
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
No? Shocked face  ;D ;D
The orange coward.
He's alot smarter than you give him credit for.

If he wasn't, why are they so determined to keep him out of the White House?
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 18:16:00
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
No? Shocked face  ;D ;D
The orange coward.
He's alot smarter than you give him credit for.

If he wasn't, why are they so determined to keep him out of the White House?
;D ;D ;D ;D
He's about as smart as you are.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 31 August 2022, 18:34:51
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
No? Shocked face  ;D ;D
The orange coward.
He's alot smarter than you give him credit for.

If he wasn't, why are they so determined to keep him out of the White House?

Because the US public and even Republican politicians know he is dishonest, a liar, deluded, divisive, dangerous, and, allegedly, involved in criminal acts against the USA.   What else do we need to know?  :D:D ;)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 August 2022, 18:53:06
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
No? Shocked face  ;D ;D
The orange coward.
He's alot smarter than you give him credit for.

If he wasn't, why are they so determined to keep him out of the White House?

Because the US public and even Republican politicians know he is dishonest, a liar, deluded, divisive, dangerous, and, allegedly, involved in criminal acts against the USA.   What else do we need to know?  :D:D ;)
Sounds like he is over qualified then...
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Nick W on 31 August 2022, 19:03:12
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
No? Shocked face  ;D ;D
The orange coward.
He's a lot smarter than you give him credit for.

If he wasn't, why are they so determined to keep him out of the White House?


That wouldn't be difficult. It is a very low bar
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 31 August 2022, 19:04:38
If the U.S. public know then what is everyone worried about ? Let him stand again and get thrashed by his opponent.
The truth is that the political establishment are petrified of him standing again because he may very well win.
Thats why they are trying to engineer a situation where he wont be allowed to stand.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 19:08:11
If the U.S. public know then what is everyone worried about ? Let him stand again and get thrashed by his opponent.
The truth is that the political establishment are petrified of him standing again because he may very well win.
Thats why they are trying to engineer a situation where he wont be allowed to stand.
Trump being re elected would be great, for American Republicans. Not so much for the rest of the world.
Actually, maybe good for Vladimir Putin too.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 August 2022, 19:28:39
If the U.S. public know then what is everyone worried about ? Let him stand again and get thrashed by his opponent.
The truth is that the political establishment are petrified of him standing again because he may very well win.
Thats why they are trying to engineer a situation where he wont be allowed to stand.
Trump being re elected would be great, for American Republicans. Not so much for the rest of the world.
Actually, maybe good for Vladimir Putin too.
How about being good for everyone?  ???

I appreciate that that might be an abstract concept given the current narrative, but it does merit a legitimate discussion.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 August 2022, 19:36:54
If the U.S. public know then what is everyone worried about ? Let him stand again and get thrashed by his opponent.
The truth is that the political establishment are petrified of him standing again because he may very well win.
Thats why they are trying to engineer a situation where he wont be allowed to stand.
Trump being re elected would be great, for American Republicans. Not so much for the rest of the world.
Actually, maybe good for Vladimir Putin too.

Err.... Have you not noticed how the world has gone completely to shit since Trumpy left office?  ???   :-\

Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 19:42:39
If the U.S. public know then what is everyone worried about ? Let him stand again and get thrashed by his opponent.
The truth is that the political establishment are petrified of him standing again because he may very well win.
Thats why they are trying to engineer a situation where he wont be allowed to stand.
Trump being re elected would be great, for American Republicans. Not so much for the rest of the world.
Actually, maybe good for Vladimir Putin too.

Err.... Have you not noticed how the world has gone completely to shit since Trumpy left office?  ???   :-\
Oh yeah, it must have been Donald holding everything together  ;D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 19:47:35
If Donald hadn't been voted out, there would be no energy crisis, and no war in Ukraine. Because he would have congratulated Putin on his bold move and invited him to the White House.  :)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 August 2022, 19:53:13
If the U.S. public know then what is everyone worried about ? Let him stand again and get thrashed by his opponent.
The truth is that the political establishment are petrified of him standing again because he may very well win.
Thats why they are trying to engineer a situation where he wont be allowed to stand.
Trump being re elected would be great, for American Republicans. Not so much for the rest of the world.
Actually, maybe good for Vladimir Putin too.

Err.... Have you not noticed how the world has gone completely to shit since Trumpy left office?  ???   :-\
Oh yeah, it must have been Donald holding everything together  ;D

Funny you should say that, because all the predictions were that everything would fall apart if Trump won the 2016 election when in fact the US economy motored along very well, the US took less military action than for decades, and even North Korea quietened down while Trump was in office.

We'll never know for sure, but I think it's a fair shout that Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine and China wouldn't be as bellicose over Taiwan if Trump had won the 2020 election.  :)

Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 August 2022, 19:54:51
If Donald hadn't been voted out, there would be no energy crisis, and no war in Ukraine. Because he would have congratulated Putin on his bold move and invited him to the White House.  :)

No I don't think Putin would have invaded Ukraine and thus no energy crisis.

Your last sentence is just daft.  ::)  :)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 20:00:03
If Donald hadn't been voted out, there would be no energy crisis, and no war in Ukraine. Because he would have congratulated Putin on his bold move and invited him to the White House.  :)

No I don't think Putin would have invaded Ukraine and thus no energy crisis.

Your last sentence is just daft.  ::)  :)
No, it's my truth, so you have to respect it.....it's the new law  :P
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 20:03:02
We like YouTube on here. Here's one  ;D

https://youtu.be/cRpeJpBYXVs
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 31 August 2022, 20:28:13
We like YouTube on here. Here's one  ;D

https://youtu.be/cRpeJpBYXVs
You obviously didn't listen to what he said, or his tone then ::)

By the way, MSN stands for Make Shit Newsworthy :D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 August 2022, 20:36:36
We like YouTube on here. Here's one  ;D

https://youtu.be/cRpeJpBYXVs

Oh FFS!  ;D

I listened to the first minute and thought Yup it's true that the Yanks don't understand sarcasm!   ::)

Even from one of their own.  :D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 21:18:30
I'm not going into the intricacies of sarcasm and the like, no one else on here does. He said it, he meant it, end of  ;D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 August 2022, 21:56:33
I'm not going into the intricacies of sarcasm and the like, no one else on here does. He said it, he meant it, end of ;D

Jeez you're so deranged!  ;D

I don't really care too much for Trumpy, but I really hope he gets re-elected in 2024 as the hysteria will be spectacular!  ::)  ;D

Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 31 August 2022, 22:53:01
I'm not going into the intricacies of sarcasm and the like, no one else on here does. He said it, he meant it, end of ;D

Jeez you're so deranged!  ;D

I don't really care too much for Trumpy, but I really hope he gets re-elected in 2024 as the hysteria will be spectacular!  ::)  ;D
We've been here before, like a circle in a spiral, a wheel within a wheel. It'll soon be twenty years...
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 31 August 2022, 23:30:10
I'm not going into the intricacies of sarcasm and the like, no one else on here does. He said it, he meant it, end of ;D

Jeez you're so deranged!  ;D

I don't really care too much for Trumpy, but I really hope he gets re-elected in 2024 as the hysteria will be spectacular!  ::)  ;D
We've been here before, like a circle in a spiral, a wheel within a wheel. It'll soon be twenty years...

I know... You're so bleddy predictable!   :)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Mister Rog on 01 September 2022, 00:30:33
Me?
Trump was an unpredictable wild card, hard to know what he would do on anything. Biden came in and one of the first things he did was pull out of Afghanistan, stupidly quickly. Trump also intended to get out, but not in such a badly organised way. 
Green light for Putin and China. USA has a weak leftie president. I'm in no doubt that many of the Worlds problems right now are down to the last US presidential elections.
Don't get me wrong, I think that Trump is quite an unpleasant individual, but he's not stupid. Biden is.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 01 September 2022, 12:57:20
Me?
Trump was an unpredictable wild card, hard to know what he would do on anything. Biden came in and one of the first things he did was pull out of Afghanistan, stupidly quickly. Trump also intended to get out, but not in such a badly organised way. 
Green light for Putin and China. USA has a weak leftie president. I'm in no doubt that many of the Worlds problems right now are down to the last US presidential elections.
Don't get me wrong, I think that Trump is quite an unpleasant individual, but he's not stupid. Biden is.

Biden is more senile than stupid. :)

Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 01 September 2022, 12:59:09
If Donald hadn't been voted out, there would be no energy crisis, and no war in Ukraine. Because he would have congratulated Putin on his bold move and invited him to the White House.  :)

No I don't think Putin would have invaded Ukraine and thus no energy crisis.

Your last sentence is just daft.  ::)  :)
No, it's my truth, so you have to respect it.....it's the new law  :P

You've gone all Meghan Markle. ;)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: TheBoy on 01 September 2022, 13:36:14
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
No? Shocked face  ;D ;D
The orange coward.
He's alot smarter than you give him credit for.

If he wasn't, why are they so determined to keep him out of the White House?

Because the US public and even Republican politicians know he is dishonest, a liar, deluded, divisive, dangerous, and, allegedly, involved in criminal acts against the USA.   What else do we need to know?  :D:D ;)
But still a million times better than the wet dream that preceded him.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 01 September 2022, 17:38:33
And the walking corpse who succeeded him.  :)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 01 September 2022, 20:49:34
Remind me, who was the only President since Regan to reduce US Military deployment...  :-X

Trump.
No? Shocked face  ;D ;D
The orange coward.
He's alot smarter than you give him credit for.

If he wasn't, why are they so determined to keep him out of the White House?

Because the US public and even Republican politicians know he is dishonest, a liar, deluded, divisive, dangerous, and, allegedly, involved in criminal acts against the USA.   What else do we need to know?  :D:D ;)
But still a million times better than the wet dream that preceded him.

No politician is perfect. Certainly Churchill was not. No one is. But to think someone who is now being outed as the criminal that many thought he was, is better than the other Presidents who did their best within their abilities, amazes me.

Trump is a out and out bad guy who only does what he wants for himself.  Why did he store boxes of strictly top secret documents on his private property when he knew that was a criminal act?  To use these documents to blackmail his opponents? To sell on to the criminal fraternity? Or simple give to his friend Putin for a dark and criminal reason? 

The people of the USA need to know the answers as to why those boxes were still in his private possession after weeks of the Department of Justice asking for whatever he had to be surrendered.

If he had been a British Prime Minister doing all this we, the British public would be asking for blood.  Boris is ultimately going for just lying. So why is Trump being protected and praised this side of the pond, let alone in the States that he divided terribly.  Even Republican former colleagues and advisors are now starting to fall away from supporting him as they know his very real and dangerous flaws. >:(

Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 01 September 2022, 21:19:16
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migalot on 01 September 2022, 21:43:34
Trump is a out and out bad guy who only does what he wants for himself.  Why did he store boxes of strictly top secret documents on his private property when he knew that was a criminal act?  To use these documents to blackmail his opponents? To sell on to the criminal fraternity? Or simple give to his friend Putin for a dark and criminal reason? 

Have you ever heard of legal due process or do you just like jumping to conclusions?

Your Trump Derangement Syndrome and Russophobia are showing too much, methinks. ;D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 01 September 2022, 22:07:36
Trump is a out and out bad guy who only does what he wants for himself.  Why did he store boxes of strictly top secret documents on his private property when he knew that was a criminal act?  To use these documents to blackmail his opponents? To sell on to the criminal fraternity? Or simple give to his friend Putin for a dark and criminal reason? 

Have you ever heard of legal due process or do you just like jumping to conclusions?

Your Trump Derangement Syndrome and Russophobia are showing too much, methinks. ;D

And have you seen the evidence displayed by the American Department of Justice of three boxes worth of marked Highly Top Secret documents that Trump should not have had. It is that department speaking of criminal acts, with observers unable to offer any alternative explanation.

Trump is responsible for this, as he was for the riots on the Capital building on 6th January 2022.

The evidence is now out there, but if you want to still defend Trump…….. ::)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 01 September 2022, 23:01:00
Trump is the least of your problems.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Mister Rog on 01 September 2022, 23:27:45
Trump is the least of your problems.

 :y
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: TheBoy on 02 September 2022, 11:32:07
Trump was exactly what America needed after 8 years of Obama. And arguably still needs.

Obviously, he is despised by the lefties (which includes the US establishment), because the West is becoming a socialist society, without realising its slowly drowning in it...   ...and the East is embracing some of the right wing ideas, and booming...
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migalot on 02 September 2022, 11:51:06
Trump was exactly what America needed after 8 years of Obama. And arguably still needs.

Obviously, he is despised by the lefties (which includes the US establishment), because the West is becoming a socialist society, without realising its slowly drowning in it...   ...and the East is embracing some of the right wing ideas, and booming...

In a nutshell.  :y :y
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 02 September 2022, 13:59:47
Yep.  :y
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 September 2022, 18:16:59
Trump is the least of your problems.

Yes, I could not agree more ::) :)

Yet Trump is constantly brought up in threads on here with some defending him.  Why if he is no longer of any significance? :( :(
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 September 2022, 18:21:07
Trump is the least of your problems.
Yes, I could not agree more ::) :)

Yet Trump is constantly brought up in threads on here with some defending him.  Why if he is no longer of any significance? :( :(
Then why do you get so upset when his name comes up?
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 September 2022, 18:31:26
Trump is the least of your problems.
Yes, I could not agree more ::) :)

Yet Trump is constantly brought up in threads on here with some defending him.  Why if he is no longer of any significance? :( :(
Then why do you get so upset when his name comes up?

So, not for the first time, you and others can say what you like but I am not allowed to?!

My God, how this forum has declined with understandably few now contributing to General Chat.  What a crying shame.  It used to be fun on here :'( :'(
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 September 2022, 18:32:34
That goes both ways.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migalot on 02 September 2022, 19:29:55
Trump is the least of your problems.
Yes, I could not agree more ::) :)

Yet Trump is constantly brought up in threads on here with some defending him.  Why if he is no longer of any significance? :( :(
Then why do you get so upset when his name comes up?

So, not for the first time, you and others can say what you like but I am not allowed to?!

My God, how this forum has declined with understandably few now contributing to General Chat.  What a crying shame.  It used to be fun on here :'( :'(

As far as I know, no-one is "not allowed to say what they like". You have to expect to take flack, especially on political issues. I took shed loads on the WEF thread. In fact, you implied I was a nutter!  ::)

You don't have to get involved with serious threads but I think everyone who wants to vent their views should be allowed to, especially in these very, very uncertain times.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 September 2022, 21:35:53
Trump is the least of your problems.
Yes, I could not agree more ::) :)

Yet Trump is constantly brought up in threads on here with some defending him.  Why if he is no longer of any significance? :( :(
Then why do you get so upset when his name comes up?

So, not for the first time, you and others can say what you like but I am not allowed to?!

My God, how this forum has declined with understandably few now contributing to General Chat.  What a crying shame.  It used to be fun on here :'( :'(

As far as I know, no-one is "not allowed to say what they like". You have to expect to take flack, especially on political issues. I took shed loads on the WEF thread. In fact, you implied I was a nutter!  ::)

You don't have to get involved with serious threads but I think everyone who wants to vent their views should be allowed to, especially in these very, very uncertain times.

I never did! ;D ;D

The rest I certainly agree with.  :y
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 02 September 2022, 22:05:56
…………and I will add one more fact in regards to Trump…………the FBI have announced they found 11,000 government documents at his private residence in Florida.

Those interested can decide what you think of this ;D ;)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 02 September 2022, 22:10:54
Given that he was a) the President, and b) split his time between Miami and Washington DC, that isn't necessarily a surprise.

I suspect that Obama has just as many 'documents' in his possession.

But don't let's get the 'facts' in the way of a witch hunt.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 03 September 2022, 07:55:44
Given that he was a) the President, and b) split his time between Miami and Washington DC, that isn't necessarily a surprise.

I suspect that Obama has just as many 'documents' in his possession.

But don't let's get the 'facts' in the way of a witch hunt.
You suspecting something makes it very far from a fact.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Rangie on 03 September 2022, 08:14:02
Poor old Donald, all he intended doing was "working from home"
seriously he's been caught bang to rights & deserves whatever is coming to him , he was entertaining for a while but there's no doubt in a person of average intelligence that he is totally mad.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 03 September 2022, 11:17:56
………and for anyone uncertain of the American laws on a current or former President retaining State records that Trump seemed to have “overlooked” for his own requirements, this is why the FBI with the Department of Justice have acted the way they have:

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

 ;)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 September 2022, 12:17:13
Apparently Obama took away around 30,000 files and documents when he left office, so it seems common practice for departing Presidents. Of course a fair chunk of that will be personal memoirs and records.

I wouldn't necessarily believe lurid tales of empty folders marked 'Classified' peddled by the likes of CNN and the New York Times.....  :-X
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: TheBoy on 03 September 2022, 15:22:38
Remember the left swinging media hates Trump, because he wouldn't suck up to them when he was in office.

I seem to recall that The BBC's Sopel - their Washington correspondent - got barred from press conferences, so when on a witch hunt ;D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 September 2022, 17:45:59
Apparently Obama took away around 30,000 files and documents when he left office, so it seems common practice for departing Presidents. Of course a fair chunk of that will be personal memoirs and records.

I wouldn't necessarily believe lurid tales of empty folders marked 'Classified' peddled by the likes of CNN and the New York Times.....  :-X

I don't believe anything that coiffured pansy Don Lemon has to say. :)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 03 September 2022, 18:30:16
Apparently Obama took away around 30,000 files and documents when he left office, so it seems common practice for departing Presidents. Of course a fair chunk of that will be personal memoirs and records.

I wouldn't necessarily believe lurid tales of empty folders marked 'Classified' peddled by the likes of CNN and the New York Times.....  :-X

Really Sir Tigger? ::)

Read this:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662

So it seems yet another dirty smear being dished out by Trump, just like the “Stop the Steal” campaign that was also proved completely false and purely to con the American public.

As I showed in my post with a link to the USA law covering government documents, it cannot be common practice for a former, or existing President, to remove documents from their offices as it is illegal.  Hence the current FBI action, which is no witch hunt, but a serious action to protect America, it’s people, and their allies from the very dangerous risk of highly secret documents falling into the wrong hands.




Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 03 September 2022, 18:35:40
I take it you read that article...

Obamas records were digital from the get go. He may not have actual paper documents, but one can only surmise just how many digital files he might have direct access to.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 03 September 2022, 18:39:58
I take it you read that article...

Obamas records were digital from the get go. He may not have actual paper documents, but one can only surmise just how many digital files he might have direct access to.

Those digital files are also covered by the aforementioned laws of the USA.  Do you really think anyone, even a President, can get away with secreting classified documents away to their private files without ‘the system’ noting it?

Anyway, let’s just watch what action the DOJ takes next over Trump.
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 September 2022, 23:51:39
I take it you read that article...

Obamas records were digital from the get go. He may not have actual paper documents, but one can only surmise just how many digital files he might have direct access to.

Those digital files are also covered by the aforementioned laws of the USA.  Do you really think anyone, even a President, can get away with secreting classified documents away to their private files without ‘the system’ noting it?

Anyway, let’s just watch what the DOJ cooks up next to get Trump.

Fixed that for you Lizzie.  They are determined to stop him from running in 2024 and undoubtedly are prepared to resort to a few dirty tricks.  ::)

I'll be watching, but with a healthy dose of scepticism.  :)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 September 2022, 11:26:37
I take it you read that article...

Obamas records were digital from the get go. He may not have actual paper documents, but one can only surmise just how many digital files he might have direct access to.

Those digital files are also covered by the aforementioned laws of the USA.  Do you really think anyone, even a President, can get away with secreting classified documents away to their private files without ‘the system’ noting it?

Anyway, let’s just watch what the DOJ cooks up next to get Trump.

Fixed that for you Lizzie.  They are determined to stop him from running in 2024 and undoubtedly are prepared to resort to a few dirty tricks.  ::)

I'll be watching, but with a healthy dose of scepticism.  :)

Very funny ;D ;D  ;D

But, seriously, I trust the American security system, with its weaknesses, far more than Trump.

Time will tell though, and let’s see what happens next ;)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 04 September 2022, 12:56:15
I take it you read that article...

Obamas records were digital from the get go. He may not have actual paper documents, but one can only surmise just how many digital files he might have direct access to.

Those digital files are also covered by the aforementioned laws of the USA.  Do you really think anyone, even a President, can get away with secreting classified documents away to their private files without ‘the system’ noting it?

Anyway, let’s just watch what the DOJ cooks up next to get Trump.

Fixed that for you Lizzie.  They are determined to stop him from running in 2024 and undoubtedly are prepared to resort to a few dirty tricks.  ::)

I'll be watching, but with a healthy dose of scepticism.  :)

Very funny ;D ;D  ;D

But, seriously, I trust the American security system, with its weaknesses, far more than Trump.

Time will tell though, and let’s see what happens next ;)

I think the American 'deep state' is as corrupt as the British establishment and don't care much for democracy as the demos have a habit of making decisions that they don't like.  Trump... Brexit.... 

They are making a big effort to pin something/anything on Trump to make sure he can't run for President in 2024.   ::)

More enquiring minds might wonder about the integrity of the 2020 US election that shooed a senile old man into the White House.  ???  :-X

Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 September 2022, 13:22:44
I take it you read that article...

Obamas records were digital from the get go. He may not have actual paper documents, but one can only surmise just how many digital files he might have direct access to.

Those digital files are also covered by the aforementioned laws of the USA.  Do you really think anyone, even a President, can get away with secreting classified documents away to their private files without ‘the system’ noting it?

Anyway, let’s just watch what the DOJ cooks up next to get Trump.

Fixed that for you Lizzie.  They are determined to stop him from running in 2024 and undoubtedly are prepared to resort to a few dirty tricks.  ::)

I'll be watching, but with a healthy dose of scepticism.  :)

Very funny ;D ;D  ;D

But, seriously, I trust the American security system, with its weaknesses, far more than Trump.

Time will tell though, and let’s see what happens next ;)

I think the American 'deep state' is as corrupt as the British establishment and don't care much for democracy as the demos have a habit of making decisions that they don't like.  Trump... Brexit.... 

They are making a big effort to pin something/anything on Trump to make sure he can't run for President in 2024.   ::)

More enquiring minds might wonder about the integrity of the 2020 US election that shooed a senile old man into the White House.  ???  :-X

He may stand again in 2024. Not that he'll be aware of it. ::)
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: STEMO on 04 September 2022, 13:59:03
I take it you read that article...

Obamas records were digital from the get go. He may not have actual paper documents, but one can only surmise just how many digital files he might have direct access to.

Those digital files are also covered by the aforementioned laws of the USA.  Do you really think anyone, even a President, can get away with secreting classified documents away to their private files without ‘the system’ noting it?

Anyway, let’s just watch what the DOJ cooks up next to get Trump.

Fixed that for you Lizzie.  They are determined to stop him from running in 2024 and undoubtedly are prepared to resort to a few dirty tricks.  ::)

I'll be watching, but with a healthy dose of scepticism.  :)

Very funny ;D ;D  ;D

But, seriously, I trust the American security system, with its weaknesses, far more than Trump.

Time will tell though, and let’s see what happens next ;)

I think the American 'deep state' is as corrupt as the British establishment and don't care much for democracy as the demos have a habit of making decisions that they don't like.  Trump... Brexit.... 

They are making a big effort to pin something/anything on Trump to make sure he can't run for President in 2024.   ::)

More enquiring minds might wonder about the integrity of the 2020 US election that shooed a senile old man into the White House.  ???  :-X
More enquiring? That's one way of saying conspiratorial, I suppose  ;D ;D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 04 September 2022, 14:03:48
I take it you read that article...

Obamas records were digital from the get go. He may not have actual paper documents, but one can only surmise just how many digital files he might have direct access to.

Those digital files are also covered by the aforementioned laws of the USA.  Do you really think anyone, even a President, can get away with secreting classified documents away to their private files without ‘the system’ noting it?

Anyway, let’s just watch what the DOJ cooks up next to get Trump.

Fixed that for you Lizzie.  They are determined to stop him from running in 2024 and undoubtedly are prepared to resort to a few dirty tricks.  ::)

I'll be watching, but with a healthy dose of scepticism.  :)

Very funny ;D ;D  ;D

But, seriously, I trust the American security system, with its weaknesses, far more than Trump.

Time will tell though, and let’s see what happens next ;)

I think the American 'deep state' is as corrupt as the British establishment and don't care much for democracy as the demos have a habit of making decisions that they don't like.  Trump... Brexit.... 

They are making a big effort to pin something/anything on Trump to make sure he can't run for President in 2024.   ::)

More enquiring minds might wonder about the integrity of the 2020 US election that shooed a senile old man into the White House.  ???  :-X

Ah, now you have touched on a fundamental truth of politics :y

Whether democratic or communist, a nation is run by the leaders who will initially speak of fighting for the people, protecting their rights, providing for them, giving them the wonderful life they deserve.  But then, once in power such niceties are placed in a lower priority, or displaced altogether, as those at the top get corrupted by their position, their class status, and what THEY want. 

This does apply to the aforementioned political systems, even communist.  The “we are all equal” statement is soon forgotten as those at the top enjoy the luxuries and influence that corrupts them.  As the poor suffer, as the many are given whatever crumbs the rich and powerful decide they should have, the latter sit back. Stalin didn’t care about those who gave so much to the state, no more than any American president really does; just along as they retain their prestige, power and wealth.
Our Boris could be labelled in that way, but I will let history judge the privileged public school boy Buffoon. Even though in a democratic system these individuals are voted in by us, so often we never know the truth about what they intend for themselves::) rather than give to the voting public. In addition we have those top civil servants and advisors who manipulate, and scheme, to undermine what we the democratic public want and require, behind the scenes of the elected representatives.

Right, rant, and that is what it is, is over which would delight my late communist father! :D ;)

But NO political system is perfect, but democracy is perhaps the best we know. Which was of course the tone of the famous Churchill quote:

https://www.gov.mb.ca/legislature/education/brochures/booklet.pdf

 ;)

 
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Kevin Wood on 04 September 2022, 17:53:43
He may stand again in 2024....

Only with the aid of a zimmer frame. ;D
Title: Re: US hegemony
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 04 September 2022, 18:15:30
He cant even stand in 2022.  ;D