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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Andy H on 16 September 2010, 20:04:55
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Having followed Welung666's informative guide How To: Fitting Insignia Washer Jets (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283444992) I now have Insignia jets on my facelift.
I don't seem to be able to adjust the fan pattern high enough :-/
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
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There is a special tool on the "bay" for adjusting them :y
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200510422351&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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There is a special tool on the "bay" for adjusting them :y
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200510422351&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
And it doesn't work!!!
I have the same problem and the jets are pointing as high as possible.....
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I must admit i havn't used it ... thought it would have worked :-[ :-[
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There is a special tool on the "bay" for adjusting them :y
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200510422351&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
And it doesn't work!!!
I have the same problem and the jets are pointing as high as possible.....
Not just me then...
I think they are adjusted as high as they will go. It looks as if the jet will catch the top of the opening that the nozzle sits in if it is turned any further :-/
The jets strike the base of the screen, which seems wrong, but the screen does get wet. Not sure if they would pass an MOT at the moment :(
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So i would assume that when the car is at speed its only going to get worse... ie lower down the screen ...was going to do this mod but might not bother now :-/
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Yes that's the same as mine, it does cover the screen when stationary but it's nor as good on the move.
It's almost as if the whole jet unit needs to be a couple of mm higher.
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I pointed mine as high as they would go without the spray catchingthe top of the w jet housing, they will aim higher, but that was goodenough on mine :-/
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So i would assume that when the car is at speed its only going to get worse... ie lower down the screen ...was going to do this mod but might not bother now :-/
They are not expensive, I would suggest fitting them to see if you like them but DO NOT cut the heaters out of your old ones. That way if it doesn't suit (or if an MOT tester doesn't like them) you can pop the old jets back in. (The heaters are pretty useless and are not a perfect fit in the Insignia jets anyway)
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I pointed mine as high as they would go without the spray catchingthe top of the w jet housing, they will aim higher, but that was goodenough on mine :-/
How long have you had them fitted? I'm assuming that you haven't been through an MOT with them yet?
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Are they fully home? There is a plastic strip on the back edge of the pre-facelift bonnet that pushes the passenger side jet back out. I took mine off and it stays put now!
The jet is a ball so will spin 360º, try and take it further up the screen. Mine hit just under halfway when stationary and about a 3rd of the way up on the motorway and still cover the screen in a short squirt.
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The jets are still fully home and there doesn't seem to be anything on the facelift bonnet to push them down.
Is the facelift scuttle the same as the pre-facelift?
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I know on mine that the jet assembly does move ever so slightly. Its adjusted when the bonnet is open and there is the slightest of slight fouls when the bonnet gets closed which moves the assembly a fraction, but enough to lower the jet.
When I can be bothered, I will jigger about with it some more but presently, it hits roughly one third screen height when on the move. Not the best, but endurable...
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Is the facelift scuttle the same as the pre-facelift?
Depends on how old. My T reg miniface lift had blanks fitted to where face lift cars have their washers.
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I pointed mine as high as they would go without the spray catchingthe top of the w jet housing, they will aim higher, but that was goodenough on mine :-/
How long have you had them fitted? I'm assuming that you haven't been through an MOT with them yet?
About 6 months maybe, but not mot'd yet. That's a point actually :-[
Don't fore see a problem re mot, fan travels about a third of the way up the screen, the rest gets covered by the associated bounce off/over shoot, if you know what I mean.
Wonder if the system is a little under power, is the top hat filter clear that the pump plugs into? Perhaps? :-/
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Also, under the scuttle drivers side is a metal bracket that is held in place by two torx bolts under the windscreen rubber, It helped to bend that down a little on mine, it was holding the scuttle up a little which in turn made the jet point down, might help.?
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im still not sure why i should be making this mod? what are the advantages? whats the reason for fitting the insignia items?
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The screenwash sprays out in a fan shape instead of the two jets per side :y
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...and uses less screen wash for better screen coverage.
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Also, under the scuttle drivers side is a metal bracket that is held in place by two torx bolts under the windscreen rubber, It helped to bend that down a little on mine, it was holding the scuttle up a little which in turn made the jet point down, might help.?
That might be significant, the passenger side is just high enough now but the drivers side isn't.
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Fitted the Insignia jet to passenger side yesterday and yes, it is LOW. And, having NOT read all the topics I butchered the old one when removing the heater element and now have no return :'( But I think it could be possible to cut some of the material on the scuttle to have the jet sitting higher, has anyone done this?
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I did this mod. Butchered my old jets, fitted the Insignia ones, found them to be utterly useless, binned them and sourced another set of standard washer jets!! Waste of time and effort IMO. ::)
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I did this mod. Butchered my old jets, fitted the Insignia ones, found them to be utterly useless, binned them and sourced another set of standard washer jets!! Waste of time and effort IMO. ::)
Agreed. :y But why I have had this impression from here that it would be a benefit to fit 'em?
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Something is being done wrong then as they were fitted to our facelift for some two years, worked perfectly and, most importantly, worked better than the originals.
What I would say is, forget and pre-conceptions regarding where the current jets hit the screen and set them lower but so they cover the full width.
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Something is being done wrong then as they were fitted to our facelift for some two years, worked perfectly and, most importantly, worked better than the originals.
What I would say is, forget and pre-conceptions regarding where the current jets hit the screen and set them lower but so they cover the full width.
You do have a point; they possibly even shouldn't be reaching the same height. I will try adjusting them better and see the results, will post if any progress is gained.
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Have them on this and my previous omega, and find them to be an improvement. Provided they can be made to sit correctly in the scuttle, and the scuttle is fitted at the right angle to allow them to work.
Care is needed to adjust the jet ball in the washer housing though, as the plastic can distort and destroy the fan shape of the water jet itself.
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Have them on this and my previous omega, and find them to be an improvement. Provided they can be made to sit correctly in the scuttle, and the scuttle is fitted at the right angle to allow them to work.
Care is needed to adjust the jet ball in the washer housing though, as the plastic can distort and destroy the fan shape of the water jet itself.
I had to make a tool for adjusting, made sort of a socket with four lugs to fit the outer slots in nozzle. I only need to build up the patience to adjust them correctly. But my first impression after install was "what a waste" :y
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Have had them on mine for over a year and two Mots, no issues at all. They do spray a bit low, but because it's not a jet of water, the spray is more of a mist, and therefore more effective :y.
The plastic trim piece under the back edge of the bonnet might benefit from modifying as it does rub against the tops of the jets, pressing down on them slightly. Remove this trim, then pull up on the jets to make sure that they are fully home, shut the bonnet and test the washers. If that solves the issue then you can either leave the trim off, or cut/drill the area above the jets and refit. :y
HTH, Al :y.
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I still have mine fitted and they have passed one MOT.
The jet hits the screen about 1/3 up but the mist/spray that results seems to wet the whole screen
The fan jets on SWMBO's VW Golf give a noticeably more powerful jet, I haven't checked the pump filter yet, next weekend perhaps ::)
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Does anyone find these to use less screen wash? I'm topping mine up every 5 mins it seems. :-\
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Does anyone find these to use less screen wash? I'm topping mine up every 5 mins it seems. :-\
Yep
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Ive had a pair of these to fit for 18 months....really should get round to it!
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Ive had a pair of these to fit for 18 months....really should get round to it!
Phew! I'm not the only one ............. ::) ::) ::)
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should have fitted them to hers when I had the scuttle off to remove the powersounder....but only thought afterwards...
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Same here!!! had some for months and forgot about them :-[
Could be old Age :o
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Could someone post a close up photo of correctly aimed Insignia washer jet? Would be easier to be even on the planet with aiming...