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Title: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 28 September 2011, 10:11:14
Thanks to Albs for his enquiry about the calipers - looks like we can go ahead with that :y

Can anyone give me their opinion on the likelihood of said seizure being caused by brake oil change?
Took the car to my usual mechanic and got them to change the Oil as braking had become spongy. (posted on old forum).

Is it just an unhappy coincidence or could the seizure have been caused by the oil change?
(Hadn't driven car since Saturday when work done til yesterday eve, when it seized)
My car is 13 years old and calipers are not immortal, but if I need to talk with the garage, I'd be grateful for any heads up info prior to doing so.

Matthew
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Osprey on 28 September 2011, 10:32:35
I have long suspected there is a connection between doing work in a particular area and related parts going belly up shortly afterwards.  But I don't think is is a case of "caused by" - rather "triggered by".  That is to say the part was about to fail anyway and the work just hastened the inevitable. 

Frinstance my HBV died a couple of weeks after changing the coolant on mine - but I don't think I changed the coolant incompetently.   8)

Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Bixy1 on 28 September 2011, 10:35:03
What Osprey said;  :y
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: feeutfo on 28 September 2011, 11:06:39
Nah, can't see it being related. Why nut unseize it?
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: feeutfo on 28 September 2011, 11:08:14
Nah, can't see it being related. Why nut unseize it?
Ffs, obviously that should read...Why NOT unseize it?
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 28 September 2011, 11:08:53
Nah, can't see it being related. Why nut unseize it?

Cos it wouldn't budge - nothing moved at all.

Matthew
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 28 September 2011, 11:09:31
Nah, can't see it being related. Why nut unseize it?
Ffs, obviously that should read...Why NOT unseize it?

Yes Chris, I gathered! ;D
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 28 September 2011, 11:10:06
I have long suspected there is a connection between doing work in a particular area and related parts going belly up shortly afterwards.  But I don't think is is a case of "caused by" - rather "triggered by".  That is to say the part was about to fail anyway and the work just hastened the inevitable. 

Frinstance my HBV died a couple of weeks after changing the coolant on mine - but I don't think I changed the coolant incompetently.   8)

Ta for sharing - makes sense

Cheers

Matthew
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: feeutfo on 28 September 2011, 11:10:53
Nah, can't see it being related. Why nut unseize it?
Ffs, obviously that should read...Why NOT unseize it?

Yes Chris, I gathered! ;D
::)  ;D
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 28 September 2011, 15:54:34
Sorry to ask this but do mean the brake pistons are not moving?
If you remove the caliper leaving the brake pipe untouched, get someone to push the foot brake... This should ease them out, even if you have to give them a hand :)
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Andy B on 28 September 2011, 17:32:03
....
If you remove the caliper leaving the brake pipe untouched, get someone to push the foot brake...  ....

Just make sure that you put something between the pads when the foot brake is operated otherwise you could easily push one or other of the pistons out of its bore resulting in a brake fluid shower!  :y It's probably best to do this one piston at a time ie use a G clamp to hold one piston in place while you try to ease the other out - then swap over the clamp.  ;)
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: aaronjb on 28 September 2011, 17:40:06
.. and don't get your fingers in the way ;) (or it'll hurt!)
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Andy B on 28 September 2011, 17:57:58
.. and don't get your fingers in the way ;) (or it'll hurt!)

That too  ;) ;) :y :y :y
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Osprey on 28 September 2011, 18:13:26
Sorry to ask this but do mean the brake pistons are not moving?
If you remove the caliper leaving the brake pipe untouched, get someone to push the foot brake... This should ease them out, even if you have to give them a hand :)

Yep - give them a hand but don't give them the finger  ;)
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Shackeng on 28 September 2011, 19:04:47
Are seal kits readily available for the calipers, as I'm thinking of overhauling the front ones on the Elite?
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 29 September 2011, 07:32:38
Sorry to ask this but do mean the brake pistons are not moving?
If you remove the caliper leaving the brake pipe untouched, get someone to push the foot brake... This should ease them out, even if you have to give them a hand :)

AA dude did this - stuck solid

Thanks for the advice though

 :y
Matthew
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 29 September 2011, 07:33:57
....
If you remove the caliper leaving the brake pipe untouched, get someone to push the foot brake...  ....

Just make sure that you put something between the pads when the foot brake is operated otherwise you could easily push one or other of the pistons out of its bore resulting in a brake fluid shower!  :y It's probably best to do this one piston at a time ie use a G clamp to hold one piston in place while you try to ease the other out - then swap over the clamp.  ;)

Thanks Andy :y

Matthew
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Jimbob on 29 September 2011, 07:59:59
ive just had to free a very seized lower slider bolt on a calliper.

Probably not the recommended method, but worked for me..

removed pads, and replaced caliper bolts. coated slider in plus gas or similar
Hit caliper with lump hammer till slider out, then hit other side and push back in again
repeat,
then remove bolt from stuck slider end, and remove slider too,
clean up slider with wet and dry, regrease and reassemble.

Ill be honest, I was expecting an emergency replacement caliper run...but nothing broke and its better than ever now.
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: des.allen on 29 September 2011, 19:23:23
ive just had to free a very seized lower slider bolt on a calliper.

Probably not the recommended method, but worked for me..

removed pads, and replaced caliper bolts. coated slider in plus gas or similar
Hit caliper with lump hammer till slider out, then hit other side and push back in again
repeat,
then remove bolt from stuck slider end, and remove slider too,
clean up slider with wet and dry, regrease and reassemble.

Ill be honest, I was expecting an emergency replacement caliper run...but nothing broke and its better than ever now.
You just know the carrier will break if you dont have a spare, especially on a sunday when everywhere is closed
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 29 September 2011, 19:42:54
ive just had to free a very seized lower slider bolt on a calliper.

Probably not the recommended method, but worked for me..

removed pads, and replaced caliper bolts. coated slider in plus gas or similar
Hit caliper with lump hammer till slider out, then hit other side and push back in again
repeat,
then remove bolt from stuck slider end, and remove slider too,
clean up slider with wet and dry, regrease and reassemble.

Ill be honest, I was expecting an emergency replacement caliper run...but nothing broke and its better than ever now.

Jimbob,
I'll keep that for emergencies!

Thanks mate!

Matthew
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: Jimbob on 29 September 2011, 19:48:07
Yes....I know I have a VX breakers....or Elite Pete within walking distance :y
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: razzo on 29 September 2011, 19:54:57
is the caliper still on the car Matt,
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 29 September 2011, 20:05:44
is the caliper still on the car Matt,

Yup
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: razzo on 29 September 2011, 20:19:09
might be an idea to clamp the flexi hose & try & remove the caliper, had a mot advisory on mine last year for the same thing, removed caliper & cleaned up as much as poss then blasted some air through the hole where the pipe fits. Found out the pistons had rusted around the edge where they meet the pads as water had got under the seal. Cleaned em up with a bit of wet n dry & soaked in brake fluid & passed the re test. i'm in East London if you need another pair of eyes
Title: Re: Seized Caliper and Oil change
Post by: MV6Matt on 29 September 2011, 20:24:02
might be an idea to clamp the flexi hose & try & remove the caliper, had a mot advisory on mine last year for the same thing, removed caliper & cleaned up as much as poss then blasted some air through the hole where the pipe fits. Found out the pistons had rusted around the edge where they meet the pads as water had got under the seal. Cleaned em up with a bit of wet n dry & soaked in brake fluid & passed the re test. i'm in East London if you need another pair of eyes

Thanks Razzo.
Where in east London Are you? (me too - is it you on the IOD?)

I need another pair of hands (being a numpty in the mechanic stakes) eyes are ok
If you're able to give me the benefit of your wisdom that would be most welcome
Matthew