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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: gibby on 24 November 2011, 19:14:29
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I recently changed head gasket on mi omega 2.2l (2198cc) 2001 Z22xe, auto. when I remove the timing cover and turning the engine to TDC, the inlet cam mark was slightly off mark ( almost 2 teeth before the mark on the rocker cover; the marks on exhaust cam and crank shaft were exactly matching. So after replacing the head gasket, I put back the timing belt but adjusted the the inlet cam shaft to match with the rocker cover mark. When I tried to start the car it can't start but cranking. Please help, what can I do to sor :-\t out this problem.
thaks, Gibby
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can you get any codes??
seems funny that the previous marks seem to be out, but someone with more knowledge than me will be along soon :y
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I think you have put the cam belt on wrong
You also may have done something wrong when changing the head gasket
have you done this work yourself ?
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just check this one if you don't have cable to diagnose your car:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90581.msg1155463#msg1155463
and tell us fault codes you get.
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Hello Sir, what I see on the dashboard is the car and spanner symbol, does it ring a bell sir? thax
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No, you have to read fault codes with diagnostic cable or try Pedal Trick (check the link i gave you before) and tell us these codes.
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No, you have to read fault codes with diagnostic cable or try Pedal Trick (check the link i gave you before) and tell us these codes.
I don't think anyone on the forum has been able to get codes out of a 2.2 using the pedal trick :(
Don't let that stop you from trying though, it would be good to hear of someone who has :y
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Thax, its dark now but I will try early in the morning tomorrow, be blessed
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just check this one if you don't have cable to diagnose your car:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90581.msg1155463#msg1155463
and tell us fault codes you get.
hello sir, I have tried several times but I can't understand the sequence of flashes to get some codes, pliz explain, soory for being a pain to u
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if you are getting it to flash using the pedal trick :-\ :-\ which personally i have never seen on a 2.2 :o watch this very carefully and try again :y
http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/paperclip_test/paperclip.html
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http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/paperclip_test/pedaltrick.html
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ didnt i just put that link ::)
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ didnt i just put that link ::)
Nope ... different links .. :)
Yours was to paperclip which has absolutely NO CHANCE of working on a 2.2 ... second was to pedal trick which just might work ..... unlikely though
and the numbers are completely different :)
Personally I think THIS is the more useful link
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90581.0
but what do I know .. ?? :)
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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ahhhhhhhhhh :-[ ;D ;D ;D
mind you if op has got his eml light flashing he might be lucky ;)
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http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/paperclip_test/pedaltrick.html
good morning, I have tried both methods-the pedal one and the paperclip one but the light ( with spanner in the middle) keep on flushing none stop. anything I can do to start this vehicle pliz
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I think you have put the cam belt on wrong
You also may have done something wrong when changing the head gasket
have you done this work yourself ?
what I've done is put the no. 1 piston on TDC AND ALIGN MARKS ON BOTH CAMSHAFTS WITH THE MARKS ON THE ROCKER COVER ALSO ALIGN THE CRANKSHAFT MARK WITH THE POINTER, FIT THE BELT ON AND ADJUSTED THE TENSIONER. TURN THE ENGINE SEVERAL TIMES, AND MARKS WERE ON THE SAME POSITIONS.
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just check this one if you don't have cable to diagnose your car:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90581.msg1155463#msg1155463
and tell us fault codes you get.
hello sir, I have tried several times but I can't understand the sequence of flashes to get some codes, pliz explain, soory for being a pain to u
good morning, I have tried both methods-the pedal one and the paperclip one but the light ( with spanner in the middle) keep on flushing none stop. anything I can do to start this vehicle pliz
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Youve not taken your key apart for a new battery or anything have you?
if so, you may have lost the transponder - small black chunk of plastic.
That would cause a permanently flashing light (immobiliser)
Other ideas....is your cam sensor plugged in properly, no other missed connections?
revist every plug to ensure all plugged in properly.
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Youve not taken your key apart for a new battery or anything have you?
if so, you may have lost the transponder - small black chunk of plastic.
That would cause a permanently flashing light (immobiliser)
Other ideas....is your cam sensor plugged in properly, no other missed connections?
revist every plug to ensure all plugged in properly.
HELLO SIR, THAX FOR THAT I DID CHANGE THE BATTERY IN THE KEY, I HAVE NOW OPENED THE KEY BUT THERE IS INDEED NO TRANSPONDER. SO WHAT SHOULD I DO?
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Youve not taken your key apart for a new battery or anything have you?
if so, you may have lost the transponder - small black chunk of plastic.
That would cause a permanently flashing light (immobiliser)
Other ideas....is your cam sensor plugged in properly, no other missed connections?
revist every plug to ensure all plugged in properly.
HELLO SIR, THAX FOR THAT I DID CHANGE THE BATTERY IN THE KEY, I HAVE NOW OPENED THE KEY BUT THERE IS INDEED NO TRANSPONDER. SO WHAT SHOULD I DO?
Start looking very carefully in the area where you took the key apart. Transponder is a very small black rectangle of hard resin
:(
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Agreed.I would be rechecking all connections,plugs etc.It sounds to me like the cambelt has been put back properly,so best to revisit the other things which have been disturbed.If its still dead after the weekend I may be able to assist,although Im by no means an expert. :y
Ah,looks like Jimbob may have hit the nail on the head. :y
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I HAVE NOW OPENED THE KEY BUT THERE IS INDEED NO TRANSPONDER
no need to shout we can hear you ;)
in answer to your question unless you have a spare key with a transponder, FIND the old one :y
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Yes, find that transponder, else you will have to buy a new one and have it coded to the car...
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Youve not taken your key apart for a new battery or anything have you?
if so, you may have lost the transponder - small black chunk of plastic.
That would cause a permanently flashing light (immobiliser)
Other ideas....is your cam sensor plugged in properly, no other missed connections?
revist every plug to ensure all plugged in properly.
HELLO SIR, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE? A GENIUS, I WENT BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO FIX THE KEY AND IN THERE THE TRANSPONDER WAS FOUND. FITTED IT AND TRY TO START THE CAR, ONE KICK IT WENT VROOOM. THOUGH THERE ARE SOME MISFIRING AND AND THE BACKFIRE WHICH HAS STOPPED NOW. I'm very very thankfull for that sir, may the Lord bless you.
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may the Lord bless you
praise indeed jimbob :y
glad you got it sorted gibby :y
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Youve not taken your key apart for a new battery or anything have you?
if so, you may have lost the transponder - small black chunk of plastic.
That would cause a permanently flashing light (immobiliser)
Other ideas....is your cam sensor plugged in properly, no other missed connections?
revist every plug to ensure all plugged in properly.
HELLO SIR, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE? A GENIUS, I WENT BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO FIX THE KEY AND IN THERE THE TRANSPONDER WAS FOUND. FITTED IT AND TRY TO START THE CAR, ONE KICK IT WENT VROOOM. THOUGH THERE ARE SOME MISFIRING AND AND THE BACKFIRE WHICH HAS STOPPED NOW. I'm very very thankfull for that sir, may the Lord bless you.
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may the Lord bless you
praise indeed jimbob :y
glad you got it sorted gibby :y
Thus very true, now I acknowledge that there are honest, helpful, very generous, experts etc on this forum, thax very much.
but a quick one what could be causing some misfire and at times backfire?
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but a quick one what could be causing some misfire and at times backfire?
Plug leads crossed over.
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but a quick one what could be causing some misfire and at times backfire?
Plug leads crossed over.
Coilpack, not leads
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glad youve found the part :y
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what could be causing some misfire
i assume you have plugged everything back in and none of the coilpacks are damaged nor any oil in plugwells ?
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what could be causing some misfire
i assume you have plugged everything back in and none of the coilpacks are damaged nor any oil in plugwells ?
thax, will try to check some oil in the plugs :y
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what could be causing some misfire
i assume you have plugged everything back in and none of the coilpacks are damaged nor any oil in plugwells ?
it has only one coil pak that runs in the centre of the rocker cover and it feeds all the cylinders
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think you may have a misalligine -alligined engine, means when cam was made it was out of line have heard( ford had some) that there was a few made this way and fixed before testing, you will need to alline it by hand with plugs out and piston at TDC and the cam covers of and check the right vales are in right position. asked at vauxhall and said that there was a mistake in manufacturing. had some on vectras and others, can replace the cam and will be in line.
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Freecall666 might be on to something.
It seems very odd that the engine was running well with one cam apparently 2 teeth out before the old belt was taken off.
A manufacturing defect that blatant would be unusual but not impossible.
The other possibilities are that the locating peg in the end of the cam is missing or damaged and sprocket is misaligned OR the mark on the belt cover is not what it appears.
The test for misalignment would be to use a protractor on the end of the crank and a dial gauge on the top of a valve follower to check when the valves are opening & closing.
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Another possibility is that the cam sprocket was aligned using the wrong slot in the nose. One is used if the sprocket is used on the exhaust camshaft, the other if it is used on the inlet.
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this hopefully has been sorted with op's post on head torques :y
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this hopefully has been sorted with op's post on head torques :y
Maybe.
The OP doesn't need to take the pulley off the camshaft though so I don't know if the locating slots will be visible.
What should be visible are the words 'inlet' or 'exhaust' by the timing marks though........