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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: ndmv6 on 13 January 2012, 22:12:24
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hello,its got to that time where im looking to replace the 2 rear tyres on my 2.2 auto omega,can anyone recommend a good brand of budget tyres? :)
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Tyres are a subject that has been done to death... Use the search function and have a little look ;)
I wouldn't recommend budget tyres on an Omega, although I've had reasonably good experiences with Accellera Alpha's (which are high end budget/mid range)
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There is a distinct difference between getting cheap tyres and getting tyres cheap..... ;) :y
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Same hear had problems withe budget so i stick withe the goodyear f1 thay did cost £114 each but worth it for ride and handling
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I got a pair of Kumhos, KH or KU31, I forget which for £100 each, 16". I can recommend them.
I've previously had very cheap tyres on, and the wet handling was utterly shocking to the point of danger. If you think of the cost per mile, the difference is negligible...
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Tyres are a subject that has been done to death... Use the search function and have a little look ;)
I wouldn't recommend budget tyres on an Omega, although I've had reasonably good experiences with Accellera Alpha's (which are high end budget/mid range)
Would agree with the Alphas had good results with them but would steer well clear of the likes of Enduros death traps.
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I have a spare Autogrip tyre in the kitchen, about 7mm tread, destined for landfill. Its tried to kill me once too often now. Does mean, currently, I have an odd wheel on TBE.
Even tunnie could overdrive Autogrip.
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thanks for your replies,ive managed to get 2 wanli S1063 XL 225/55/16 99V from national tyres ebay website,for 127.84 fitted.i bought some 14 months ago for the front and never given me any problems,but then back end of last year the price shot up .now currently at the price above... :)
hth anyone who is looking for a decent tyre... :)
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thanks for your replies,ive managed to get 2 wanli S1063 XL 225/55/16 99V from national tyres ebay website,for 127.84 fitted.i bought some 14 months ago for the front and never given me any problems,but then back end of last year the price shot up .now currently at the price above... :)
hth anyone who is looking for a decent tyre... :)
Take it easy in the wet on those, they suddenly lose grip without warning if you overcook it.
Certainly not a suitable tyre for me, but shows we all have different requirements from your tyres.
Tyres have got very expensive in the last 12 months :(
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I have a spare Autogrip tyre in the kitchen, about 7mm tread, destined for landfill. Its tried to kill me once too often now. Does mean, currently, I have an odd wheel on TBE.
Even tunnie could overdrive Autogrip.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Still yet to press the S button on the 3.2 ;D
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I have a spare Autogrip tyre in the kitchen, about 7mm tread, destined for landfill. Its tried to kill me once too often now. Does mean, currently, I have an odd wheel on TBE.
Even tunnie could overdrive Autogrip.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Still yet to press the S button on the 3.2 ;D
S for Scared....
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I had some Nexen tyres on a car once which I found pretty good all rounder.... I was told they were budget tyres :)
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I had some Nexen tyres on a car once which I found pretty good all rounder.... I was told they were budget tyres :)
I put a Nexen shod wheel on to remove that lethal Autogrip tyre. A vast improvement. But still not a tyre I would chose. Still a ditchfinder, just its far less likely to kill me than the Autogrip.
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I had some Nexen tyres on a car once which I found pretty good all rounder.... I was told they were budget tyres :)
I put a Nexen shod wheel on to remove that lethal Autogrip tyre. A vast improvement. But still not a tyre I would chose. Still a ditchfinder, just its far less likely to kill me than the Autogrip.
Mind you I have sat in a car when you are driving, my own car infact ;D
I would assume it all depends on how you drive.
You Jammie do drive like a "Knob" no two ways about it ;D :P
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I had some Nexen tyres on a car once which I found pretty good all rounder.... I was told they were budget tyres :)
I put a Nexen shod wheel on to remove that lethal Autogrip tyre. A vast improvement. But still not a tyre I would chose. Still a ditchfinder, just its far less likely to kill me than the Autogrip.
Mind you I have sat in a car when you are driving, my own car infact ;D
I would assume it all depends on how you drive.
You Jammie do drive like a "Knob" no two ways about it ;D :P
From the second I jumped into Vader's drivers seat, I felt at home. Confident. Everything was 'just right'. I didn't need to get a 'feel' for it, it gave all the feedback. A fantastic 20 miles or so.
So, if we're calling each other Knobs, Mr Pink, its you for breaking Vader. An excellent car. But the climate panel lives on in the Silver Bullet :y
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I had some Nexen tyres on a car once which I found pretty good all rounder.... I was told they were budget tyres :)
I put a Nexen shod wheel on to remove that lethal Autogrip tyre. A vast improvement. But still not a tyre I would chose. Still a ditchfinder, just its far less likely to kill me than the Autogrip.
Mind you I have sat in a car when you are driving, my own car infact ;D
I would assume it all depends on how you drive.
You Jammie do drive like a "Knob" no two ways about it ;D :P
From the second I jumped into Vader's drivers seat, I felt at home. Confident. Everything was 'just right'. I didn't need to get a 'feel' for it, it gave all the feedback. A fantastic 20 miles or so.
So, if we're calling each other Knobs, Mr Pink, its you for breaking Vader. An excellent car. But the climate panel lives on in the Silver Bullet :y
I actually agree with you :'(
But "The Force is Strong with that one" and like you say lives on within many Members Cars :-* :y
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"Good budget tyres"
Oxymoron.
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Not everyone has the budget to spend over £100 a tyre but tyres are very important,
I try to get good part worns if I can and they must be good but on the few occasions when I couldn't I bought budgets
I have tried nankangs and admiral and to be honest I've never had a problem
I drive around 5-600 miles a week locally and I have a very heavy foot
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Not everyone has the budget to spend over £100 a tyre but tyres are very important,
I try to get good part worns if I can and they must be good but on the few occasions when I couldn't I bought budgets
I have tried nankangs and admiral and to be honest I've never had a problem
I drive around 5-600 miles a week locally and I have a very heavy foot
Agreed not every one has the finances to go and buy £100 + tyres so like you i have used part worns in the past but only if they are nearly new. Now i know some would say that you should never compromise safety over cost but i say that when ever you purchase a second hand motor you don't ask the seller to fit it with new boots.
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thanks for your replies,ive managed to get 2 wanli S1063 XL 225/55/16 99V from national tyres ebay website,for 127.84 fitted.i bought some 14 months ago for the front and never given me any problems,but then back end of last year the price shot up .now currently at the price above... :)
hth anyone who is looking for a decent tyre... :)
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I personally wouldn't put Wanlis on my pushbike, having experienced them in the wet.
It matters not how good your brakes, suspension, or reactions are, it all goes through those 4 bits of rubber. The variation in wet stopping distances between even a midrange (Kumho, Firestone) tyre and the Chinese plastic has to be seen to be believed.
It's very much the land of diminishing returns.
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thanks for your replies,ive managed to get 2 wanli S1063 XL 225/55/16 99V from national tyres ebay website,for 127.84 fitted.i bought some 14 months ago for the front and never given me any problems,but then back end of last year the price shot up .now currently at the price above... :)
hth anyone who is looking for a decent tyre... :)
:o
I personally wouldn't put Wanlis on my pushbike, having experienced them in the wet.
It matters not how good your brakes, suspension, or reactions are, it all goes through those 4 bits of rubber. The variation in wet stopping distances between even a midrange (Kumho, Firestone) tyre and the Chinese plastic has to be seen to be believed.
It's very much the land of diminishing returns.
Equally, price doesn't make a good tyre ;) My van is shod with Michelin's and I can't wait for them to wear out :o ::) Just shy of 8k into them and I still have trust issues when it gets wet ::)
Mind you... I do drive "harder" than many :-X ::) Even so... I can spin them up in 2nd and 3rd in the dry, never mind the wet :o :o
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I had some Nexen tyres on a car once which I found pretty good all rounder.... I was told they were budget tyres :)
I put a Nexen shod wheel on to remove that lethal Autogrip tyre. A vast improvement. But still not a tyre I would chose. Still a ditchfinder, just its far less likely to kill me than the Autogrip.
Mind you I have sat in a car when you are driving, my own car infact ;D
I would assume it all depends on how you drive.
You Jammie do drive like a "Knob" no two ways about it ;D :P
From the second I jumped into Vader's drivers seat, I felt at home. Confident. Everything was 'just right'. I didn't need to get a 'feel' for it, it gave all the feedback. A fantastic 20 miles or so.
So, if we're calling each other Knobs, Mr Pink, its you for breaking Vader. An excellent car. But the climate panel lives on in the Silver Bullet :y
I actually agree with you :'(
But "The Force is Strong with that one" and like you say lives on within many Members Cars :-* :y
The rear blind lives in my DTi :y
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personally,i think its down to tread pattern,not actual brand.my van when new came fitted with michelins,wore down very quick,leathal in the wet,no grip at all when it snowed, and were going to cost a fortune to replace like for like,so i opted for kleber,half the price of the michelins,great tread pattern and they have outlasted the original michelins by a long way...times were good when i bought them,so glad i opted for the klebers at the time,couldnt afford to replace em now.
just because a tyre has a leading brand name on it and cost a fortune,that doesnt instantly mean its a good tyre..
its just a chance you take... :)
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I think the only way to get good tyres without having to pay premium prices is to go for a manufacturer that is trying to gain a toe hold in the UK market.
15 years ago Kumho tyres were cheap but surprisingly good. When their prices went up I found Hancook OK.
I have had recent success with 'Event' tyres in 235/45R17 at £60 a tyre (fitted & balanced). At that price I was prepared to change them immediately for premium tyres if they scared me but I have travelled 40,000 miles so far in all weathers and not felt any great need to spend twice the money on a big name tyre.
If the people who have shared their opinions on tyres could agree on what was the 'ideal' tyre for an Omega I would fit a set to experience what this mythical state of perfection felt like. Until that day each new set of tyres is going to be selected from what is available using a bit of common sense & taking into account any supporting information I can find at the time..........
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As always... What are we calling a "good" tyre? I class a good tyre as one that has loads of grip (and must track well). However others would class that as a shite tyre as it will wear out quicker than they would like.
If at the budget end, hopefully the budget would allow for kumho at least. Anything cheaper seems to have major grip issues in the wet. Some budgets, such as Linglong, give a deceptive impression of reasonable dry grip levels, leaving the driver to believe its not possible to have such a huge difference between dry and wet grip. Something that grips to a reasonable level in the dry, should never be allowed to have so little grip in the wet. Lordy. :o
Never had michelins on any car btw. But if I ever do I'd expect them to give mega miles if driven sedately. 30-35k on primacy for instance. I don't have that level of patience though. ;D
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Further, the ideal tyre for an omega is never going to suite everyone, however we can brake it down into sub groups.
Possibly based on driving style and budget....? :-\
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Premium tyres are good tyres, generally soft compounds for increased performance meaning less mileage per set.
Mid range tyres are average tyres, average performance and average mileage generally.
Budget tyres are poor tyres, poor performance but will last longer.
Simple.
People who say good things about budget tyres are just trying to justify their own purchases imo. There are dozens of tests over the last decade showing that budgets are a false economy. If people can't afford to have some decent rubber they should own a cheaper car to run imo.
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thanks for your replies,ive managed to get 2 wanli S1063 XL 225/55/16 99V from national tyres ebay website,for 127.84 fitted.i bought some 14 months ago for the front and never given me any problems,but then back end of last year the price shot up .now currently at the price above... :)
hth anyone who is looking for a decent tyre... :)
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I personally wouldn't put Wanlis on my pushbike, having experienced them in the wet.
It matters not how good your brakes, suspension, or reactions are, it all goes through those 4 bits of rubber. The variation in wet stopping distances between even a midrange (Kumho, Firestone) tyre and the Chinese plastic has to be seen to be believed.
It's very much the land of diminishing returns.
Equally, price doesn't make a good tyre ;) My van is shod with Michelin's and I can't wait for them to wear out :o ::) Just shy of 8k into them and I still have trust issues when it gets wet ::)
Mind you... I do drive "harder" than many :-X ::) Even so... I can spin them up in 2nd and 3rd in the dry, never mind the wet :o :o
So we must look at driver error, spinning a tyre at those speed suggests a need for driver edcuation...........wrong tyres, wrong fuel.........it will be wrong car next........... :D :D :D
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thanks for your replies,ive managed to get 2 wanli S1063 XL 225/55/16 99V from national tyres ebay website,for 127.84 fitted.i bought some 14 months ago for the front and never given me any problems,but then back end of last year the price shot up .now currently at the price above... :)
hth anyone who is looking for a decent tyre... :)
:o
I personally wouldn't put Wanlis on my pushbike, having experienced them in the wet.
It matters not how good your brakes, suspension, or reactions are, it all goes through those 4 bits of rubber. The variation in wet stopping distances between even a midrange (Kumho, Firestone) tyre and the Chinese plastic has to be seen to be believed.
It's very much the land of diminishing returns.
Equally, price doesn't make a good tyre ;) My van is shod with Michelin's and I can't wait for them to wear out :o ::) Just shy of 8k into them and I still have trust issues when it gets wet ::)
Mind you... I do drive "harder" than many :-X ::) Even so... I can spin them up in 2nd and 3rd in the dry, never mind the wet :o :o
So we must look at driver error, spinning a tyre at those speed suggests a need for driver edcuation...........wrong tyres, wrong fuel.........it will be wrong car next........... :D :D :D
It's not my fault the tyres can't keep up with my driving style ::) :D
I will say that they do seem to perform well under braking though :y
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Premium tyres are good tyres, generally soft compounds for increased performance meaning less mileage per set.
Mid range tyres are average tyres, average performance and average mileage generally.
Budget tyres are poor tyres, poor performance but will last longer.
Simple.
People who say good things about budget tyres are just trying to justify their own purchases imo. There are dozens of tests over the last decade showing that budgets are a false economy. If people can't afford to have some decent rubber they should own a cheaper car to run imo.
Need any help getting down from that high horse ? ::) ;D
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If the people who have shared their opinions on tyres could agree on what was the 'ideal' tyre for an Omega I would fit a set to experience what this mythical state of perfection felt like. Until that day each new set of tyres is going to be selected from what is available using a bit of common sense & taking into account any supporting information I can find at the time..........
As chrisgixer says, driving style has everything to do with it though.
Tunnie has publically stated that all that matters to him is durability. Tight bastard. As long as he gets 50k from his plastic tyres, he's happy. Noise is a factor for him. Grip appears unimportant. Given his driving style, I can understand that. Maybe, just maybe, Michelin do make a tyre that suits him.
I have publically stated that wet/dry grip is highest on my priority list. Not quite so fussed about snow grip. Currently running Dunlop Sport MAXX TT. Superb tyre for me. Shit to a blanket until the tread is low (then like all Dunlops, falls off a cliff), good striaght line stability, good stopping ability. Reasonable cost. Awful durability, and quite noisy.
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Need any help getting down from that high horse ? ::) ;D
Quite happy on my perch thank you. :P
I'm being serious though, people who buy budget tyres and try to pass them off as good tyres to other people are ignoring every tyre test done in the last decade. Other like minded people are more than happy to make their decisions based solely on a few internet opinions. Have you ever seen a car manufacture sell budget tyres on a new car? Of course not, in fact some manufacturers develop tyres specifically for their car.
Having good tyres is even more important than having good brakes, yet a lot of people still go for whatever is cheapest in their size.
It's a bit like going for a run in some clogs.
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Need any help getting down from that high horse ? ::) ;D
Quite happy on my perch thank you. :P
I'm being serious though, people who buy budget tyres and try to pass them off as good tyres to other people are ignoring every tyre test done in the last decade. Other like minded people are more than happy to make their decisions based solely on a few internet opinions. Have you ever seen a car manufacture sell budget tyres on a new car? Of course not, in fact some manufacturers develop tyres specifically for their car.
Having good tyres is even more important than having good brakes, yet a lot of people still go for whatever is cheapest in their size.
It's a bit like going for a run in some clogs.
Ultimately, have to agree Shimmy. Buit the fact is the omega is worth so little now, it's budget motoring for a lot of people. Can't argue with that. :y
hello,its got to that time where im looking to replace the 2 rear tyres on my 2.2 auto omega,can anyone recommend a good brand of budget tyres? :)
Kumho ku31 have been mentioned on here many a time as a good all rounder and reasonable price, sadly they have been superseded by the ku39(?) which is an unknown so far I believe.
Accelera alpha have had several mentions as being cheap and.... bareable. (?)
Herd talk of Nexen being odly reasonable in the wet for a cheap tyre.
From personal experience avoid Falkens if you want the car to drive straight and not tramline from new, feel like a water bed after about 3k, and be dangerous by half worn meaning they got binned with plenty of tread left, ESP of you like to crack on on Elite suspension. A shame because they are quiet and reasonably priced, which catches people out when they wont bloody drive straight,not a performance tyre by any means. Avoid. (by dangerous I mean, about 50 corrections in 100 yards on half 1/3 worn falkens to keep the car in the middle of a b road at 40, compared 2 or 3 minor corrections on the same bit of road and speed with well worn dunlops)
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Wanlis are terrible terrible pieces of shite. I think they got that name from the owners who died screaming " (I) wanna live". I remember driving a Mazda 6 that a friend had with his new found budget tyres on a wet blustery day and nearly died due an extreme lack of grip on a wet road. Suffice to say they went into the bin at the earliest. Equally poor are Accelera and Sunny. They are ok in the dry I think.
The one tyre that I felt was decent at the budget end of the spectrum were Cooper tyres. They are huge in the US and are competitively priced to get a foothold in the UK market. I got 4 coopers for £90 a corner(18") for a focus ST I was selling off and drove about 1.5k miles on them with not a huge difference to the Conti SC3 that the car came with from the factory.
Kumho's are actually quite good. Nokians were ok as a winter tyre option but I have no experience of the summer variants.
Heard ok reports about Maragoni's, never tried one myself.
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No wonder mine handles like a wheelbarrow >:( >:( ....ive just looked and there are 2 prestivo's on the back and one continental and one kumos ? on the fronts ...for the bin soon :y
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as i said before,its all down to the actual tread pattern,load rating and speed rating ,not the actual manufacturer,and all depends how the car is driven..those who want to zoom around everywhere should expect that if the tyres are pushed so far,they will skid...all tyres will do that..regardless of how much they cost...
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as i said before,its all down to the actual tread pattern,load rating and speed rating ,not the actual manufacturer,and all depends how the car is driven..those who want to zoom around everywhere should expect that if the tyres are pushed so far,they will skid...all tyres will do that..regardless of how much they cost...
Indeed, but some will let go far sooner than others ;)
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hello,its got to that time where im looking to replace the 2 rear tyres on my 2.2 auto omega,can anyone recommend a good brand of budget tyres? :)
off topic...another huddersfield lad,howdo :y
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as i said before,its all down to the actual tread pattern,load rating and speed rating ,not the actual manufacturer,and all depends how the car is driven..those who want to zoom around everywhere should expect that if the tyres are pushed so far,they will skid...all tyres will do that..regardless of how much they cost...
Tread pattern plays a role yes but it is by no means the only contributor...
Tyre compounds determine a large chunk of the performance, then there's the tyre construction etc...
I don't avoid budget tyres due to driving style - I'm actually pretty steady, I avoid them because they give much smaller margins in all conditions particularly wet ones.
If you come across a puddle around a blind bend a tyre's aquaplaning characteristics could make the difference, as could it's braking performance when someone or something unexpectedly steps out/pulls out in front of you. These things have nothing to do with driving style at all, it's a matter of SAFETY.
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No wonder mine handles like a wheelbarrow >:( >:( ....ive just looked and there are 2 prestivo's on the back and one continental and one kumos ? on the fronts ...for the bin soon :y
Do as I intend to later in the year - save up, get it set at Wheels in Motion, and four new decent tyres. :y
If you come across a puddle around a blind bend a tyre's aquaplaning characteristics could make the difference, as could it's braking performance when someone or something unexpectedly steps out/pulls out in front of you. These things have nothing to do with driving style at all, it's a matter of SAFETY.
Exactly. It's akin to the classic drunk driver going "I know I'm pished, I'll only go slow" - it's when you need that 5m shorter stopping distance you'll regret it.
No, I'm not morally comparing people buying cheap tyres to drunk drivers.
Cost per mile of a decent tyre versus a cheapy, it's a no-brainer.
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Premium tyres are good tyres, generally soft compounds for increased performance meaning less mileage per set.
Mid range tyres are average tyres, average performance and average mileage generally.
Budget tyres are poor tyres, poor performance but will last longer.
Simple.
People who say good things about budget tyres are just trying to justify their own purchases imo. There are dozens of tests over the last decade showing that budgets are a false economy. If people can't afford to have some decent rubber they should own a cheaper car to run imo.
....and that`s exactly what an Omega is
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If people can't afford to have some decent rubber they should own a cheaper car to run imo.
....and that`s exactly what an Omega is
No, it's a cheaper car to buy. It still has 16" or 17" tyres, which are exponentially more expensive than 13"s or 14"s on things like the Focus. And ignoring the obvious thirst of a 1.7 tonne car, if you don't know about TC they're still expensive to service, never mind things like cambelts.
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as i said before,its all down to the actual tread pattern,load rating and speed rating ,not the actual manufacturer,and all depends how the car is driven..those who want to zoom around everywhere should expect that if the tyres are pushed so far,they will skid...all tyres will do that..regardless of how much they cost...
The compound has far more effect than pattern. In fact many cheap nasty tyres copy big brand tread patterns, esp those from Chinese providers, who can copy exactly the pattern. Yet lack the performance.
Yes, any tyre will lose traction at some point, but bad ones lose it far earlier.
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got 4 x 225 55 16 95W SUNNY SN3800 on my 2002 2.6 and have no complaints,good in wet and dry.cost was about £140 fitted for all 4 (part worn with 7mm + tread) and i do drive with a heavy right foot and have been known to slide sideways round roundabouts at times :D,,that reminds me ,,i need new front disks and pads,, :o
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As TB says the compound is as important if not moreso, than the pattern. Much as I hate to say it, consider formula one slick tyres. Minimal if not any tread and so it's all about the compound and construction methods. Yes, F1 needs tread of some sort for inters and wets but construction and compound is far more important.
That technology transfers readily to the consumer market so don't get hung up on pattern. I've driven some cars with really deep and recognisable tread patterns but made of plastic rather than rubber. Ditch finders spring to mind. You pays your money and takes your chance, ultimately. :y
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Try this site to review the majority of tyres:
www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/
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Try this site to review the majority of tyres:
www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/
Trouble with that site is it doesn't review against cars. What works for one car will not work for another.
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got 4 x 225 55 16 95W SUNNY SN3800 on my 2002 2.6 and have no complaints,good in wet and dry.cost was about £140 fitted for all 4 (part worn with 7mm + tread) and i do drive with a heavy right foot and have been known to slide sideways round roundabouts at times :D,,that reminds me ,,i need new front disks and pads,, :o
Price - OUCH!
Those Sunnys are really not for me. Some grip in the dry, really quite poor in the wet ;)
Depends what you are comparing with...
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got 4 x 225 55 16 95W SUNNY SN3800 on my 2002 2.6 and have no complaints,good in wet and dry.cost was about £140 fitted for all 4 (part worn with 7mm + tread) and i do drive with a heavy right foot and have been known to slide sideways round roundabouts at times :D,,that reminds me ,,i need new front disks and pads,, :o
Price - OUCH!
Those Sunnys are really not for me. Some grip in the dry, really quite poor in the wet ;)
Depends what you are comparing with... Personally, I'd go for Falkens every time :y
Couldn't agree more with that! :y
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as i said before,its all down to the actual tread pattern,load rating and speed rating ,not the actual manufacturer,and all depends how the car is driven..those who want to zoom around everywhere should expect that if the tyres are pushed so far,they will skid...all tyres will do that..regardless of how much they cost...
Tread pattern can be any design the maker wishes, provided the groove per square inch ratio is the roughly the same one tread pattern will shift water much the same as another. That's all the tread pattern does, shift water, if it never rained we'd all have slicks and all our tyres would last longer with more grip. Tread blocks heat up quicker as they move around more. No tread blocks, as in a slick, allows a softer compound for the same running temp and wear rate. ;)
The structure and compound are far more important.
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Premium tyres are good tyres, generally soft compounds for increased performance meaning less mileage per set.
Mid range tyres are average tyres, average performance and average mileage generally.
Budget tyres are poor tyres, poor performance but will last longer.
Simple.
People who say good things about budget tyres are just trying to justify their own purchases imo. There are dozens of tests over the last decade showing that budgets are a false economy. If people can't afford to have some decent rubber they should own a cheaper car to run imo.
yep.. all agreed.. famous tire companies spend huge sums for developing even a bit better tire .. and tire subject is an area of what you pay is what you get.. I never see a cheapo tire that wins the tests..good quality means high rubber percent which is not cheap..
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got 4 x 225 55 16 95W SUNNY SN3800 on my 2002 2.6 and have no complaints,good in wet and dry.cost was about £140 fitted for all 4 (part worn with 7mm + tread) and i do drive with a heavy right foot and have been known to slide sideways round roundabouts at times :D,,that reminds me ,,i need new front disks and pads,, :o
Price - OUCH!
Those Sunnys are really not for me. Some grip in the dry, really quite poor in the wet ;)
Depends what you are comparing with... Personally, I'd go for Falkens every time :y
Couldn't agree more with that! :y
Like hell I'd put 452s or 912s on an Omega. Bloody awful tyre.
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Currently (and for last 5 sets), and for as long as I can get them, Runway Enduro 225/55/16 M+S XLs, £55+vat each. Never let me down, seem to grip well, with reasonable wear :y.
Had a puncture t'other day OSR, fortunately both rears were booked to be replaced next day, so put spare on to finish shift. The spare being an Autogrip :o
To explain, the Enduros are directional, spare needs to be universal, so kept half decent Autogrip as the spare ::) Even with only 1.xmm left on the NSR, the Autogrip would spin up at every chance, not much fun after 10mins...
Friday am, two new Enduros on the back, and normal service resumed. Fronts are about 2k old, and had no problems Friday night with temps down to -6. :y
They've since gritted round here and roads are a bit slippy ::) Not even freezing yet FFS :-X
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got 4 x 225 55 16 95W SUNNY SN3800 on my 2002 2.6 and have no complaints,good in wet and dry.cost was about £140 fitted for all 4 (part worn with 7mm + tread) and i do drive with a heavy right foot and have been known to slide sideways round roundabouts at times :D,,that reminds me ,,i need new front disks and pads,, :o
Oh dear. Why would you pay so much for a part worn budget set?
I remember picking up our other car about 6 months ago. I had checked everything including tyre depth which was about 6 - 7 mm as they had only been just replaced. On the drive home I gave it some beans through the twisties and I thought I was going to fall off the road. Got home and thought about various reasons for the awful grip and then out of interest had a look at the tyre brand and realised that the rear two were Dunlop something or the other and the 2 fronts were Sunny. Swapped the Sunnys to some SC5 and the car was transformed from a soggy and unpredictable mess to being sure footed and precise. I now feel bad I threw away those Sunnys because I didn't think for a moment that there was a market for budget part worns.
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Like hell I'd put 452s or 912s on an Omega. Bloody awful tyre.
The BMW forums are in awe of them for some reason. IMHO they are awful and evil and should be burnt at a stake.
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Like hell I'd put 452s or 912s on an Omega. Bloody awful tyre.
The BMW forums are in awe of them for some reason. IMHO they are awful and evil and should be burnt at a stake.
They are a generally well respected tyre, just clearly don't work on Omegas....
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After much research, reading reviews and road tests, I have decided to replace my two front tyres with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2's.
I will let you all know how they perform :) :)
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What are the rear two then? I seriously doubt you can assess the differential handling of the front end vs the rear end of an omega shod with two sets of tyres from different manufacturers with different compounds and tread patterns.
BTW they are very good tyres and really good value for money. They wont perform at their best currently due to the really low temps that we are experiencing.
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What are the rear two then? I seriously doubt you can assess the differential handling of the front end vs the rear end of an omega shod with two sets of tyres from different manufacturers with different compounds and tread patterns.
BTW they are very good tyres and really good value for money. They wont perform at their best currently due to the really low temps that we are experiencing.
yep.. not a good season to test them..
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OK it seems like im getting slammed for saying sunny tyres....and paying way over the odds £140 fitted, new valves, balanced and old tyre disposal, all i can say is they came along at the right price and the right time,i have no issue with them,,remember the thread topic is BUDGET,,,as i own 2002 2.6 worth about £700 and pay over £1000 per year insurance as i live within 3 miles of the centre of London put on top of that £160 car tax and pay on average £1.37 per liter of petrol i try to run the car on a budget which includes tyres..i think i got a bargain as they came off a 2.2 omega mot Failure that the owner was trying to get some money back on,they cost him £325.98 3 month and 550 miles before i got them,,so i think it was a fair price,these tyres are a hard size to find part worn as only fit a few cars, and you just have to look on flebay to see that people are paying £50 to £70 for part worn with only 3 / 4mm tread,
OK rant over....
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Hi
Been "listening" to all this in depth tyre knowledge and to be honest i am lost by alot of it, but i never considered buying part worn before.
Are they generally good buy ? And where do you buy them from/get them fitted?
I usually go to my local retailer and maybe get ripped off but without the knowledge/understanding i cant tell for sure.
Learning something new every day .. worryingly it seems like more the older i get !
Adam
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Like hell I'd put 452s or 912s on an Omega. Bloody awful tyre.
The BMW forums are in awe of them for some reason. IMHO they are awful and evil and should be burnt at a stake.
They are a generally well respected tyre, just clearly don't work on Omegas....
No, Don't put 452's on an Omega, especially if you have a larger wheel.
Replaced mine with Contis.
Will only fit Contis PZero or Potenzas now.
Budget Tyres not for me............
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i never considered buying part worn before.
Are they generally good buy ?
Not as a planned buy. A 6.5mm tyre is about half worn, and its best grip has passed, as has its water disperssing capabilities.
The cost of them is usually over half the price of brand new tyre.
But they may have a place for those needing a tyre or 2 in an emergency, before payday, if that person is only worried about legality, rather than safety grip.
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i never considered buying part worn before.
Are they generally good buy ?
Not as a planned buy. A 6.5mm tyre is about half worn, and its best grip has passed, as has its water disperssing capabilities.
The cost of them is usually over half the price of brand new tyre.
But they may have a place for those needing a tyre or 2 in an emergency, before payday, if that person is only worried about legality, rather than safety grip.
part worn tyres suit my purpose as i only use the car for work and shopping (about 60 miles a week) and never travel more than 20 miles away from home all within 30 mph limit,i prefer the bikes but also need a car :D
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i never considered buying part worn before.
Are they generally good buy ?
Not as a planned buy. A 6.5mm tyre is about half worn, and its best grip has passed, as has its water disperssing capabilities.
The cost of them is usually over half the price of brand new tyre.
But they may have a place for those needing a tyre or 2 in an emergency, before payday, if that person is only worried about legality, rather than safety grip.
Couldn't agree more!
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OK it seems like im getting slammed for saying sunny tyres....and paying way over the odds £140 fitted, new valves, balanced and old tyre disposal, all i can say is they came along at the right price and the right time,i have no issue with them,,remember the thread topic is BUDGET,,,as i own 2002 2.6 worth about £700 and pay over £1000 per year insurance as i live within 3 miles of the centre of London put on top of that £160 car tax and pay on average £1.37 per liter of petrol i try to run the car on a budget which includes tyres..i think i got a bargain as they came off a 2.2 omega mot Failure that the owner was trying to get some money back on,they cost him £325.98 3 month and 550 miles before i got them,,so i think it was a fair price,these tyres are a hard size to find part worn as only fit a few cars, and you just have to look on flebay to see that people are paying £50 to £70 for part worn with only 3 / 4mm tread,OK rant over....
Why pay £50 - £70 for a used tyre, when you can easily, ie off the shelf, buy a reasonable NEW tyre for £55 :-\ makes no sense to me ::)
If you're worried about quality then Goodyears are a reasonable balance between grip/wear rate and price, which is probably why the old bill used them as a preferred tyre on these :-\
If you only do 5k a year and have a light right foot, then your tyres should last you about 3 years, if a used tyre cost two thirds the price and only lasts half the distance, then they're king expensive ::)
Incidently I can get part worns for only £40, yet I would still never buy one... :-X
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OK it seems like im getting slammed for saying sunny tyres....and paying way over the odds £140 fitted, new valves, balanced and old tyre disposal, all i can say is they came along at the right price and the right time,i have no issue with them,,remember the thread topic is BUDGET,,,as i own 2002 2.6 worth about £700 and pay over £1000 per year insurance as i live within 3 miles of the centre of London put on top of that £160 car tax and pay on average £1.37 per liter of petrol i try to run the car on a budget which includes tyres..i think i got a bargain as they came off a 2.2 omega mot Failure that the owner was trying to get some money back on,they cost him £325.98 3 month and 550 miles before i got them,,so i think it was a fair price,these tyres are a hard size to find part worn as only fit a few cars, and you just have to look on flebay to see that people are paying £50 to £70 for part worn with only 3 / 4mm tread,OK rant over....
Why pay £50 - £70 for a used tyre, when you can easily, ie off the shelf, buy a reasonable NEW tyre for £55 :-\ makes no sense to me ::)
If you're worried about quality then Goodyears are a reasonable balance between grip/wear rate and price, which is probably why the old bill used them as a preferred tyre on these :-\
If you only do 5k a year and have a light right foot, then your tyres should last you about 3 years, if a used tyre cost two thirds the price and only lasts half the distance, then they're king expensive ::)
Incidently I can get part worns for only £40, yet I would still never buy one... :-X
i only paid £35 a tyre fitted/new valves/ balanced & old tyre disposal,and as i said they had only done 550 miles ;)as for a new tyre for £55.all in off the shelf.?????? ;D tell me a other,,,the cheapest 225/55/16 v rated remold costs just a tad under £70 inc Vat,,so to summarize,£140 for 4 harlf decent tyres all in or £280 + fitting/new valves/ balanced & old tyre disposal..i still think i did the right thing for me.
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OK it seems like im getting slammed for saying sunny tyres....and paying way over the odds £140 fitted, new valves, balanced and old tyre disposal, all i can say is they came along at the right price and the right time,i have no issue with them,,remember the thread topic is BUDGET,,,as i own 2002 2.6 worth about £700 and pay over £1000 per year insurance as i live within 3 miles of the centre of London put on top of that £160 car tax and pay on average £1.37 per liter of petrol i try to run the car on a budget which includes tyres..i think i got a bargain as they came off a 2.2 omega mot Failure that the owner was trying to get some money back on,they cost him £325.98 3 month and 550 miles before i got them,,so i think it was a fair price,these tyres are a hard size to find part worn as only fit a few cars, and you just have to look on flebay to see that people are paying £50 to £70 for part worn with only 3 / 4mm tread,OK rant over....
Why pay £50 - £70 for a used tyre, when you can easily, ie off the shelf, buy a reasonable NEW tyre for £55 :-\ makes no sense to me ::)
If you're worried about quality then Goodyears are a reasonable balance between grip/wear rate and price, which is probably why the old bill used them as a preferred tyre on these :-\
If you only do 5k a year and have a light right foot, then your tyres should last you about 3 years, if a used tyre cost two thirds the price and only lasts half the distance, then they're king expensive ::)
Incidently I can get part worns for only £40, yet I would still never buy one... :-X
i only paid £35 a tyre fitted/new valves/ balanced & old tyre disposal,and as i said they had only done 550 miles ;)as for a new tyre for £55.all in off the shelf.?????? ;D tell me a other,,,the cheapest 225/55/16 v rated remold costs just a tad under £70 inc Vat,,so to summarize,£140 for 4 harlf decent tyres all in or £280 + fitting/new valves/ balanced & old tyre disposal..i still think i did the right thing for me.
Really? I used to pay under £50 per corner for Accellera Alpha's in that size, paid £52/corner for them in 235/45/17.
Mind you, I am aware that tyre prices have gone up recently :y
At the end of the day, you're happy with the deal and that's all that matters :y :y
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as for a new tyre for £55.all in off the shelf. tell me a other,,,the cheapest 225/55/16 v rated remold costs just a tad under £70 inc Vat
If you want to split hairs, £55+VaT=£66. It's what I pay for my tyres, new and not remoulded. If it wasn't then I wouldn't have said it >:( :-X
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as for a new tyre for £55.all in off the shelf. tell me a other,,,the cheapest 225/55/16 v rated remold costs just a tad under £70 inc Vat
If you want to split hairs, £55+VaT=£66. It's what I pay for my tyres, new and not remoulded. If it wasn't then I wouldn't have said it >:( :-X
Just checked the invoice for the tyres I bought on 23rd December, 235/45R17 £51.95 + £1.25 disposal tax + VAT = £64.18
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Remoulds. :-X
Budget remoulds.
Budget remoulds at £70.
Errrrrr :o
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Not as a planned buy. A 6.5mm tyre is about half worn, and its best grip has passed, as has its water disperssing capabilities.
Challenge you to measure the tread depth on a brand new Mich/Conti/pirrelli/Goodyear/Linglong ditchfinder and review the above.
Never seen anything close to 13mm on a new tyre, short of an AT or M&S one but agree, best water dispersant properties have longtime passed......... :y
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Not as a planned buy. A 6.5mm tyre is about half worn, and its best grip has passed, as has its water disperssing capabilities.
Challenge you to measure the tread depth on a brand new Mich/Conti/pirrelli/Goodyear/Linglong ditchfinder and review the above.
Never seen anything close to 13mm on a new tyre, short of an AT or M&S one but agree, best water dispersant properties have longtime passed......... :y
most come with about 9mm, some 9.5mm
tyre grip tends to be well past it, even in dry, by 2.5-3mm IME, no idea if its age or wear related. So about 5.5-6mm is half worn without doing maths too hard. Again IME, the tyre seems initially more durable, and seems to wear much faster as it wears.
so I stand by my original comments....
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Not as a planned buy. A 6.5mm tyre is about half worn, and its best grip has passed, as has its water disperssing capabilities.
Challenge you to measure the tread depth on a brand new Mich/Conti/pirrelli/Goodyear/Linglong ditchfinder and review the above.
Never seen anything close to 13mm on a new tyre, short of an AT or M&S one but agree, best water dispersant properties have longtime passed......... :y
most come with about 9mm, some 9.5mm
tyre grip tends to be well past it, even in dry, by 2.5-3mm IME, no idea if its age or wear related. So about 5.5-6mm is half worn without doing maths too hard. Again IME, the tyre seems initially more durable, and seems to wear much faster as it wears.
so I stand by my original comments....
Is true,as tyre wears the elasticity and pliable grip is reduced I.E= 8mm when new=100%grip... 4mm 1/2worn=28%grip (not allowing for the release agent that soaks into the 0.00005 of outer tread)that is why a tyre needs 50 to 80 miles use to run in
it seams that the more a tyre is used the polymers in the rubber harden through heat and harden the rubber,that is why race tyres are so soft and dont last long ,,if you listen to f1 or world super bike you will hear the commentator say the tyres have past it or gone off,this means they have got hot and lost all the polymers out of the tyre.
god this almost makes me sound intelligent???? :-\
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Not as a planned buy. A 6.5mm tyre is about half worn, and its best grip has passed, as has its water disperssing capabilities.
Challenge you to measure the tread depth on a brand new Mich/Conti/pirrelli/Goodyear/Linglong ditchfinder and review the above.
Never seen anything close to 13mm on a new tyre, short of an AT or M&S one but agree, best water dispersant properties have longtime passed......... :y
most come with about 9mm, some 9.5mm
tyre grip tends to be well past it, even in dry, by 2.5-3mm IME, no idea if its age or wear related. So about 5.5-6mm is half worn without doing maths too hard. Again IME, the tyre seems initially more durable, and seems to wear much faster as it wears.
so I stand by my original comments....
+1 :y Always change mine & internal managements tyres at about 2.5mm for reasons above.
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i have always got part worn tyres never let me down and i go long distances i forgot to say i tow a caravan as well
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i have always got part worn tyres never let me down and i go long distances i forgot to say i tow a caravan as well
ignoring the rights and wrongs, if there are any, the point I'm trying to make is in the long run, it seems more expensive, as somebody else has already had the best of them, yet you still pay a high price for, at most, half of the life, and the worse half at that....
does that make sense?
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i have always got part worn tyres never let me down and i go long distances i forgot to say i tow a caravan as well
ignoring the rights and wrongs, if there are any, the point I'm trying to make is in the long run, it seems more expensive, as somebody else has already had the best of them, yet you still pay a high price for, at most, half of the life, and the worse half at that....
does that make sense?
yep.. too much.. this week bought 4 brand new goodyear UG8 for vectra C for a friend.. she had 4 winter tires (micheline alpine) and the thread depth was only approx 3 mms short than the original but tires being nearly 7 years old there were absolutely no grip ??? and she paid the price by loosing control on snow and hitting the kerb (this was the cheapest option) :D
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Kumho KU31's are reasonable budget tyres and under £60 a tyre. Part worns about 30 I suppose,with no provenance and most of the grip gone. I know what I would choose. But then saying that it wouldnt surprise me if others choose the part worn tyres. As someone said earlier it must be to do with being legal rather than safe?
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Does anyone know where all these part worns are sourced from btw and why they are sold with 5mm+ tread remaining?
And from people who buy them, do they get a matching set of four part worns. Or are they different brands on each corner with varying tread depths?
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Most part worn tyres are sourced from Germany I beleive, due to the law being that tyres have to be changed on the same axle together (iirc)... I also beleive that the 5mm minimum is UK spec for selling part worn tyres...
Personally, I would much rather use a brand name part worn over a budget ditch finder...
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Most part worn tyres are sourced from Germany I beleive, due to the law being that tyres have to be changed on the same axle together (iirc)... I also beleive that the 5mm minimum is UK spec for selling part worn tyres...
Personally, I would much rather use a brand name part worn over a budget ditch finder...
Even though they may have been stored next to a radiator and are rock hard with absolutely no grip?
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Most part worn tyres are sourced from Germany I beleive, due to the law being that tyres have to be changed on the same axle together (iirc)... I also beleive that the 5mm minimum is UK spec for selling part worn tyres...
Personally, I would much rather use a brand name part worn over a budget ditch finder...
Even though they may have been stored next to a radiator and are rock hard with absolutely no grip?
Or even removed from a crash damaged car where they may have smacked the kerb bloody hard giving you a weekened sidewall. Read a survey a while back (can't think where) which after testing part worns showed that 80% had hidden damage which could result in failure. You pays your money............
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Most part worn tyres are sourced from Germany I beleive, due to the law being that tyres have to be changed on the same axle together (iirc)... I also beleive that the 5mm minimum is UK spec for selling part worn tyres...
Personally, I would much rather use a brand name part worn over a budget ditch finder...
Even though they may have been stored next to a radiator and are rock hard with absolutely no grip?
Yep!
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Let me clarify my question.
Why would people get rid of tyres with 5mm+ tread if there's nothing wrong with them?
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http://www.tyresafe.org/media-centre/latest-news/157-trading-standards%E2%80%99-investigation-reveals-part-worn-dangers (http://www.tyresafe.org/media-centre/latest-news/157-trading-standards%E2%80%99-investigation-reveals-part-worn-dangers)
http://www.northlanarkshire.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=23315 (http://www.northlanarkshire.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=23315)
http://www.britanniatyres.co.uk/partworn_tyres.php (http://www.britanniatyres.co.uk/partworn_tyres.php)
All from different areas of the country.
So unless you have xray vision or some other superhuman ability that helps identify the structurally inadequate tyres, then I cannot see the benefits of taking on board this unecessary risk.
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for using a part worn tire (even if its a good brand), I'll check its production date.. if its older than 3 years no reason for me to buy it.. (assuming it has at least 6-7 mm thread depth)
and must note , its valid only for summer tires.. I'll never buy used winter tires..
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Most part worn tyres are sourced from Germany I beleive, due to the law being that tyres have to be changed on the same axle together (iirc)... I also beleive that the 5mm minimum is UK spec for selling part worn tyres...
Personally, I would much rather use a brand name part worn over a budget ditch finder...
Even though they may have been stored next to a radiator and are rock hard with absolutely no grip?
Yep!
Personally I would rather choose not to do something I cant afford than to cut corners (especially with regards to safety). Others may think differently.
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Most part worn tyres are sourced from Germany I beleive, due to the law being that tyres have to be changed on the same axle together (iirc)... I also beleive that the 5mm minimum is UK spec for selling part worn tyres...
Personally, I would much rather use a brand name part worn over a budget ditch finder...
Even though they may have been stored next to a radiator and are rock hard with absolutely no grip?
Yep!
Personally I would rather choose not to do something I cant afford than to cut corners (especially with regards to safety). Others may think differently.
So what your saying is, if you can't afford top quality tyres, you don't by any? Which for some means don't go to work or pay the mortgage either, if the cars not available, as it has no tyres on it...?
Always buy the best quality tyre for available budget, obviously. Others with less healthy waletts will think differantly for sure.
IME an old tyre will loose performance evenly between wet and dry grip.
Budget tyres can work deceptively well in the dry and be bloody dangerous in even mildly damp conditions. The difference in performance between wet and dry conditions is startling IMO.
Although others may have different experiences clearly.
Times are hard currently, as we all know. Part worns have their place, like it or not. Not to mention the complete waste if they're not used.
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Let me clarify my question.
Why would people get rid of tyres with 5mm+ tread if there's nothing wrong with them?
Many are taken off 'fleet' cars that'll be then fitted with brand-new tyres prior to those cars being released onto the second-hand market.
Whatever, I wouldn't entertain part-worns (regardless of 'guarantees' or apparent condition), as you don't know their history - simples.
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some off us got no choice so its part worns or pay the pigs their pocket money for bald tyres
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As I say, part worns may have a place for those more concerned with legality than anything else, when new tyres are needed unxpectedly. I still maintain its not a cost effective approach to constantly use part worns - I believe you are paying well over the odds during the course of the life of a NEW set of tyres.
Budget v Premium is a seperate debate altogether. Must budget are awful, but then some premium - Michelin for example - are awful as well.
As to why part worns are available, most people will drive done to near the legal limit, so those that are replaced beforehand are with pulled off writeoffs, occasional puncture, so both sides replaced, or because the original owner realises that by 5mm, they are well past their sell-by date. Very few fleets would remove 5mm+ tyres to sell a car on. Very few.
Tyres can be lethal. That Autogrip one in my garage is a prime example. About 7mm tread, even wear, but poor grip in the dry, but zero, and I mean zero, grip in the wet. I would challenge even the gayest of gays, ie tunnie, to drive that without loosing it.
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Well i'll be putting my normal wheels back on the DTi soon so I need to put new tyres on a pair of them.
As I can't afford to put SC3's on (and a DTi really doesn't require them!) i'm contemplating what else is out there... Was very happy with the Kumho KU31's but they are not available anymore so i'm thinking of Toyo T1R's, had them on the car originally and they seemed to be very good. Anyone have any thoughts?
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Well i'll be putting my normal wheels back on the DTi soon so I need to put new tyres on a pair of them.
As I can't afford to put SC3's on (and a DTi really doesn't require them!) i'm contemplating what else is out there... Was very happy with the Kumho KU31's but they are not available anymore so i'm thinking of Toyo T1R's, had them on the car originally and they seemed to be very good. Anyone have any thoughts?
Dunlop Sport MAXX TT. Great tyre, not too bad pricewise. Awful durability though ;D
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Well i'll be putting my normal wheels back on the DTi soon so I need to put new tyres on a pair of them.
As I can't afford to put SC3's on (and a DTi really doesn't require them!) i'm contemplating what else is out there... Was very happy with the Kumho KU31's but they are not available anymore so i'm thinking of Toyo T1R's, had them on the car originally and they seemed to be very good. Anyone have any thoughts?
Dunlop Sport MAXX TT. Great tyre, not too bad pricewise. Awful durability though ;D
The two wheels with good tyres already have them on, but was really looking for something a little cheaper for the 'heavy oil' car! Looking for something under £100 a tyre ideally
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Well i'll be putting my normal wheels back on the DTi soon so I need to put new tyres on a pair of them.
As I can't afford to put SC3's on (and a DTi really doesn't require them!) i'm contemplating what else is out there... Was very happy with the Kumho KU31's but they are not available anymore so i'm thinking of Toyo T1R's, had them on the car originally and they seemed to be very good. Anyone have any thoughts?
Uniroyal Rainsport 2's easily the best upper mid range tyre I've ever used.
Had them both on a mondeo and my Omega, best grip I've had from any tyre in the wet. Tried Goodyear F1's, Michelin Pilot's, Continental CS2's.
The sidewall is quite soft though, but that doesn't bother me as I consider the Omega as a wafty barge anyway. :P
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Well i'll be putting my normal wheels back on the DTi soon so I need to put new tyres on a pair of them.
As I can't afford to put SC3's on (and a DTi really doesn't require them!) i'm contemplating what else is out there... Was very happy with the Kumho KU31's but they are not available anymore so i'm thinking of Toyo T1R's, had them on the car originally and they seemed to be very good. Anyone have any thoughts?
Uniroyal Rainsport 2's easily the best upper mid range tyre I've ever used.
Had them both on a mondeo and my Omega, best grip I've had from any tyre in the wet. Tried Goodyear F1's, Michelin Pilot's, Continental CS2's.
The sidewall is quite soft though, but that doesn't bother me as I consider the Omega as a wafty barge anyway. :P
Cheers, i'll have a look at them. Is there any rim protection built into the sidewall?
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Well i'll be putting my normal wheels back on the DTi soon so I need to put new tyres on a pair of them.
As I can't afford to put SC3's on (and a DTi really doesn't require them!) i'm contemplating what else is out there... Was very happy with the Kumho KU31's but they are not available anymore so i'm thinking of Toyo T1R's, had them on the car originally and they seemed to be very good. Anyone have any thoughts?
Uniroyal Rainsport 2's easily the best upper mid range tyre I've ever used.
Had them both on a mondeo and my Omega, best grip I've had from any tyre in the wet. Tried Goodyear F1's, Michelin Pilot's, Continental CS2's.
The sidewall is quite soft though, but that doesn't bother me as I consider the Omega as a wafty barge anyway. :P
Cheers, i'll have a look at them. Is there any rim protection built into the sidewall?
I believe there is but it's not something I considered when buying, nor have I taken notice of it really.
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some off us got no choice so its part worns or pay the pigs their pocket money for bald tyres
...and why is it illegal to have bald tyres, one wonders...
If you can't afford to put a set of tyres on the car, you can't afford the car. Personally, I prefer to use decent tyres, having experienced ditchfinders in various forms.
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So what your saying is, if you can't afford top quality tyres, you don't by any? Which for some means don't go to work or pay the mortgage either, if the cars not available, as it has no tyres on it...?
Always buy the best quality tyre for available budget, obviously. Others with less healthy waletts will think differantly for sure.
IME an old tyre will loose performance evenly between wet and dry grip.
Budget tyres can work deceptively well in the dry and be bloody dangerous in even mildly damp conditions. The difference in performance between wet and dry conditions is startling IMO.
Although others may have different experiences clearly.
Times are hard currently, as we all know. Part worns have their place, like it or not. Not to mention the complete waste if they're not used.
I am not sure thats what I said. I would rather buy a reasonably performing mid priced tyre than a premium part worn. For eg: Kumho KU31 approx £60, Goodyear GSD3 70, Cooper/Avon/Hankook all about 80. Yes they are technically twice the price of a part worn but as TB said you will probably get twice the life out of them and a lot more peace of mind.
I am aware that times are hard but there are ways to work around this. For eg: use a second hand set of steelies and go to the smallest Vx recommended size. Sure they wont look great or handle like a sports car. But its they way I would choose to go rather than get a part worn just to keep the car looking good but have a high unreliability factor.
As someone else said on another thread, the Omega is a cheap car to buy but not a cheap car to own. Make an informed choice. And I fully appreciate the choice that some people make, I just do not agree with it
Re: cheap ditch finders, dont even get me started.
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Well i'll be putting my normal wheels back on the DTi soon so I need to put new tyres on a pair of them.
As I can't afford to put SC3's on (and a DTi really doesn't require them!) i'm contemplating what else is out there... Was very happy with the Kumho KU31's but they are not available anymore so i'm thinking of Toyo T1R's, had them on the car originally and they seemed to be very good. Anyone have any thoughts?
Dunlop Sport MAXX TT. Great tyre, not too bad pricewise. Awful durability though ;D
The two wheels with good tyres already have them on, but was really looking for something a little cheaper for the 'heavy oil' car! Looking for something under £100 a tyre ideally
Got Kumho KH31's fitted to rear and rate them highly £80 fitted per corner. Or there is TB's favourite http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=56365935.110.15674&typ=R-125539&ranzahl=4&Breite=225&Quer=55&Felge=16&Load=95&Speed=Z&weiter=30&Ang_pro_Seite=10&Transport=P&dsco=110 ;D ;D
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Had an issue with rim protection, bridgestones potenzas 001, stock 03 elite wheels, rubbing on the shock body due to rim protection on the inside edge as well. It did need set up, Wim showed the before camber to be -1.45. Not a bad guess on my part I thought, but shows how tight the gap was. :-\
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So what your saying is, if you can't afford top quality tyres, you don't by any? Which for some means don't go to work or pay the mortgage either, if the cars not available, as it has no tyres on it...?
Always buy the best quality tyre for available budget, obviously. Others with less healthy waletts will think differantly for sure.
IME an old tyre will loose performance evenly between wet and dry grip.
Budget tyres can work deceptively well in the dry and be bloody dangerous in even mildly damp conditions. The difference in performance between wet and dry conditions is startling IMO.
Although others may have different experiences clearly.
Times are hard currently, as we all know. Part worns have their place, like it or not. Not to mention the complete waste if they're not used.
I am not sure thats what I said. I would rather buy a reasonably performing mid priced tyre than a premium part worn. For eg: Kumho KU31 approx £60, Goodyear GSD3 70, Cooper/Avon/Hankook all about 80. Yes they are technically twice the price of a part worn but as TB said you will probably get twice the life out of them and a lot more peace of mind.
I am aware that times are hard but there are ways to work around this. For eg: use a second hand set of steelies and go to the smallest Vx recommended size. Sure they wont look great or handle like a sports car. But its they way I would choose to go rather than get a part worn just to keep the car looking good but have a high unreliability factor.
As someone else said on another thread, the Omega is a cheap car to buy but not a cheap car to own. Make an informed choice. And I fully appreciate the choice that some people make, I just do not agree with it
Re: cheap ditch finders, dont even get me started.
We, or the rest if us, where talking about budget tyres v premium part worns. My point being, premium part worms for me every time, even if they are old.
Eg part worn Dunlop,bridgestones,conti, etc over new sunew,autogrip,Linglong,wanlee shite every time.... was the point. No?
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I get that point chrisg, but I was suggesting options named in my post that cost say £10 -20 more than the widow makers but yet are not premium tyres but are an acceptable budget/value new option. For eg Hankook/Avon/Cooper is 80 a corner new and is not a premium and would be my preference over a conti SC5 part worn. Unless you are calling the above choices a premium option, in which case I understand your post.
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Suppose I'm lucky as my son manages a branch of a large tyre chain (not Kwik Krap) and luckily for me I get my tyres for cost plus a fiver i.e firestones for £30 on the 2.0ltr and £45 for Bridgestones on the 3.2. The 3.0 came with Champiro's already on it,dunno much about them the boy says they're budget tyres and for me they seem OK but then I rarely rag the car.So any one within striking distance of Staines, Middx PM me and I'll see what he can come up with, you wont get a good as deal as me but I know he'll do his best to fix you up rather than fit you up!! :y :y
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Avon, Continental, Dunlop & Goodyear I've all had good experiences with these. I've also had excellent times with Accerlera tyres too, they're a good price and they really do grip well. Tyres I've had a terrible time with are: SUNNY (Scary), Sunew (better of the cheapest budgets), Autogrip (Scary), Clear (Very Scary), Fullrun (Proper brown trouser moments), there's loads more I've had a bad time with too.
Fullrun & Clear tyres being my main cause of concern, one of my 7 Series has at the back one Accerlera PH1 RH side (5mm), and a fullrun HP199 LH side (5.3mm) on the other side (odd tyres I know, but it was direct from a Chauffeur company and they will be changed). Anyway just this morning it happened, the road ahead was clear, little bit of drizzle in the air, but conditions were generally ok, a new Astra was absolutely welded to my arse end, anyway I decided enough was enough and I put my foot to the floor. I got upto 80 MPH on the runway, and the fullrun decided that it had, had enough of accelerating and decided it'd try and fling the left hand side of the car around on me, luckily I caught it just in time, as did the DSC, but it made me think how can they seriously get away with selling these tyres? I should also add this was on a completely straight road and the rear end came round. If you want to buy budgets go ahead. :-\ I'd take a decent branded Part Worn over any budget!
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I get that point chrisg, but I was suggesting options named in my post that cost say £10 -20 more than the widow makers but yet are not premium tyres but are an acceptable budget/value new option. For eg Hankook/Avon/Cooper is 80 a corner new and is not a premium and would be my preference over a conti SC5 part worn. Unless you are calling the above choices a premium option, in which case I understand your post.
No experience of any of those. Same price range as F F F bah, can't even say the name...
...not all tyres work the same on all cars. As F****n's prove.