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Omega Electrical and Audio Help / Decoding head units
« on: 27 December 2006, 14:35:46 »
I know this topic has been covered many times, and every reply seems to contradict the previous. I'm selling a CD30 on ebay, which I bought in error (it has the latest >2005 socket), I don't have the code, but I was told by my local Vaux dealer that it was simply a matter of hooking up a tech 2 and decoding it.

I've had an email from someone telling me to bin it
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mate if radio has been in a next car and you lost the code bin it. you can not use in next car and if some one has t2 you can not de code it. mate work in vaux you need old car code.
 
I don't want to mislead any buyers, does anyone have the definitive answer on this?

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Omega General Help / Re: V6 hard to start on LPG OMVL Dream XXI
« on: 16 September 2011, 13:05:47 »
If I force start it on gas after it has been running on petrol it starts much quicker (it still takes a few seconds for the gas to start flowing and hit the injectors i guess).

When I discovered that, I thought it ruled out the leaking injector or regulator. However - the misfire is constantly on cylinders 2 and 6

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Omega General Help / Re: V6 hard to start on LPG OMVL Dream XXI
« on: 08 September 2011, 09:13:29 »
It's OBDII and Can Bus compatible and the laptop can see it and talks to it, but cannot talk to the car's devices.

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Omega General Help / Re: V6 hard to start on LPG OMVL Dream XXI
« on: 08 September 2011, 00:00:59 »
Tonight I tried to connect up the OBD cable with little success. The leds come on when I plug it in, I connect it to the laptop and fire up the software which recognises the cable/OBD unit but it constantly searches for the ECU and never finds it. If I change devices e.g. Transmission, it still doesn't see it.

This is really frustrating as I had the same problem with the £350 UKOBD unit. We went back and forth with the unit and in the end they reckoned I must have a faulty wiring loom i.e. cut wires.

That may well be, but why then can Vauxhall talk to it with their Tech II? and why does a cheap £20 unit talk to it and clear codes?

Am I using the wrong communications protocol? say OBD II instead of Can Bus. Just grasping at straws here!

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Omega General Help / Re: V6 hard to start on LPG OMVL Dream XXI
« on: 07 September 2011, 10:27:30 »
Thanks, I ordered the cable today and the OBD2 cable arrived this morning.

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Omega General Help / V6 hard to start on LPG OMVL Dream XXI
« on: 07 September 2011, 00:27:45 »
I've started a new thread as the other was getting confusing. The old one is here: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1314397990/all

I've been experiencing hard starting with my 3.2V6 which had an OMVL Dream XXI LPG kit fitted about three or four years ago. New coil packs were fitted at the time and it had new plugs fitted a few months ago.

The car runs fine on petrol (although it does suffer from the pre-cat issue - codes 420 and 430), but if I run it on LPG, it won't start easily. Rather I have to crank it for at least ten seconds, sometimes more. I've also had some poor running issues with it misfiring regularly (always codes 302 and 306) on LPG only.

I had a severe misfire which turned out to be oil in the plugwells; the camcover gaskets have since been replaced.

I've had problems with the multivalve which was replaced about nine months ago. The LPG running problems seem to have started around the same time, although this may be coincidence.

I'm just waiting for a new live data reader to arrive so I can have a look at what is happening.

Dominic

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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 07 September 2011, 10:25:10 »
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Better than in the airbox.
It's not too bad actually. They moved the main ECU over and wedged it in Goldilocks snug  ;)

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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 07 September 2011, 00:23:55 »
Ok, the LPG system is an OMVL Dream XXI. You wouldn't believe where I found it... :-[





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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 06 September 2011, 16:51:13 »
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Or it's just a crap multi valve...? Ime they do trip out to Petrol at the slightest jolt. Cats eyes, bumps, corners even.
The original multivalve work perfectly, until it stopped completely. I never had any of these problems with it.


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We might be onto something here. :y False trips occur when the vapour pressure falls too low for the engine to continue running on LPG.

Give that the multivalve is what caused this problem it would make me wonder if it's not capable of flowing enough liquid to feed the engine. If this is the case, it might well be causing the engine to run lean, and hence trim the fuel to the point where starting becomes awkward.
That's what I'd wondered.


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Gauge readings could well be because a different multivalve has been fitted without the display being calibrated to suit it.
Yes, I'd reached the same conclusion.


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Issues if the fuel is consumed fast make me wonder if the pickup has fallen off the multivalve. In this case, the valve will be delivering vapour instead of liquid. This restricts the flow of fuel causing a loss of pressure (see my first paragraph!) and, if the gas is being consumed quickly, the temperature of the tank can fall so low that the gas can't boil off vapour any more, so the system behaves as if the tank is empty while the liquid level (as shown by the gauge) remains high.
The only thing that changes with motorway driving is the gauge reading. LPG performance is the same.

I don't think the pickup has fallen off, only because the behaviour hasn't changed since they "changed" it. They took the tank out of the car and re-fitted it a few days later. I suspect they took the multivalve out, couldn't see anything wrong with it and re-fitted the same one, but I do have my suspicions about the multivalve. The BRC chap in Italy muttered something about "might have to find a secondhand/reconditioned unit" when I first spoke to him. (it's not the usual size/type they use down there.)


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If you take it for a decent run (say a couple of junctions up the motorway at a decent cruising speed) then get out of the car and feel the tank, is it cold, and perhaps showing signs of condensation or frost on the outside? (it should stay at the same temperature as its' surroundings).

It would also be worth checking the temperature of the vapouriser at this point, to make sure that it is piping hot.
Chance would be a fine thing, although I have done the vaporiser test and it was very hot to the touch.

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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 06 September 2011, 13:36:29 »
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...Either a filter clogged, vapouriser problem or some other restriction causing the fuelling on LPG to have changed from the state when it was set up.
The multivalve failed whilst I was away last year, and I had it replaced at the local BRC agent (the tank is BRC).

The new mulitvalve had two problems: it reads incorrectly on the motorway i.e. if the fuel is consumed fast (it only drops to two out of four green leds when the tank empties) and it regularly gives false "trips" (sets off the empty buzzer) even when full.

I took it to the original LPG fitter in Battersea and asked them to change it. They maintain they did, but I still get exactly the same symptoms  >:(

Could this be the cause of an LPG metering problem?

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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 05 September 2011, 22:49:16 »
Oh and the LPG system has been in for three or four years and the coil packs were replaced just before. Plugs were replaced 4 months ago.

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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 05 September 2011, 22:46:54 »
Recap:The car has been hard to start after running on LPG, for some time now (although it starts on petrol).

On a return trip from southern Italy three weeks ago, the car developed a severe misfire and engine knock on both petrol and LPG. Mechanic found oil in plug wells and replaced camshaft gaskets, after which it ran much, much better.

In the last two weeks, LPG has been getting progressively worse and generating lots of codes (misfire consistently on 302 and 306 as well as various lambda sensor errors), following which I've been running only on petrol and no codes for three days, until today. 430 and 420 which is the pre-cat issue.

At the moment, it runs perfectly on petrol, no misfire, no hard starting.

As I'm working constant 12 hour shifts, I haven't had time to locate and identify the LPG ECU, but I suspect it's OMV Dream XXI as per the injectors.



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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 05 September 2011, 21:00:20 »
This thread has become quite long and confusing, particularly as much has changed since I first posted it, so once I get access to the LPG ECU I shall start a new thread.

ON the OMVL lead thingy, I found this: http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/acatalog/Software_and_leads.html I can only hope as it's a company and not an ebay item, that there are no copyright issues here (possibly available cheaper elsewhere legitimately).

For anyone who has managed to follow the thread accurately (you deserve a medal  :D) , I've been running on petrol for a few days now and have not had any problems; no misfiring, no hard starting; although the eml has finally come on again (pre-cat issue surely).

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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 04 September 2011, 22:47:06 »
That's a relief, I already own that. Just have to see if it'll work with the different hardware.

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Omega General Help / Re: 3.2 V6 hard to start on LPG
« on: 04 September 2011, 18:09:47 »
What about this software: http://www.opel-scanner.com/index.php?pid=4 is that legal, or verboten?

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