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Only way a birdstrike makes sense is if the engine swallowed a big bird (or birds) and suffered enough damage for the resulting vibrations to shake the engine off the wing. Not impossible, but not very likely either.

The engine pylon fixings are frangible - they are supposed to break if there is enough engine vibration to endanger the structural integtiry of the wing/airframe. AIUI the MD-11 has two main engine fixings on each pylon under the wing. There was a previous crash where the rear fixing broke, but that caused the engine to pivot forwards and upwards, and it departed over the top of the wing. That doesn't appear to have happened here. My money is on the front fixing breaking, which I think would result in a forwards and downwards departure if it happened at or after rotate when the wing is pulling upwards.

If that's correct, then we're looking at either poor maintainace, or counterfeit parts. It's also possible there was a fire in the wing first, which then damaged the fixings. Either way, nothing the crew could do, and once the second tail engine starts to lose thrust the outcome is sealed. No way a heavy MD-11 is going anywhere but down on one engine.

RIP the crew, and those caught on the ground.

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And important, current, news stories are pushed back to 1 liners, with their concentration on whatever is happening at Stockport.  Don't get me wrong, that was a very sad attack for the local community, but it doesn't need a 10 minute delay update every single day.

Stockport? I must have missed that one 

He'll have meant Southport ....  It's all the same up Norf for a Suvverner 

Read a quote the other day that made me chuckle about Rachel from accounts pre budget speech, " If the incompetent woman had more time to pass the blame for the state the UK is in at present she would have blamed the Germans.. She's just about put blame on everything/everybody else.

Latest dashcam footage shows the port engine completely detached, which suggests more than a bird strike.

This has happened before on a DC10

And important, current, news stories are pushed back to 1 liners, with their concentration on whatever is happening at Stockport.  Don't get me wrong, that was a very sad attack for the local community, but it doesn't need a 10 minute delay update every single day.

Stockport? I must have missed that one 

The missus puts on BBC news in the morning in an attempt to wake me up. Bitch

So this morning they had the Welsh bint minister trying to defend it, and spouting the same "emergency measures" soundbites that the deputy PM was spouting last time. Clearly they haven't worked.

But apparently it's all the previous government's fault, obviously, and the current government are doing a fantastic job.  Which I expect Rachael from Accounts to use in a couple of weeks.  Do they really think the public are that stupid?

Yes.

When your times up that's it ,doesn't make any difference where you are or what mode of transport you're on it's as simple as that.

One problem with the Trijet configuration is that No. 2's intake is prone to ingesting disturbed air / debris if anything happens to 1 & 3, especially after rotation when the wing is working hard.

With that amount of fire, engine thrust might have been moot, however. I wonder if there would have been enough left of the wing structure for it to remain controllable for a go-around even if it had climbed away.

Thoughts of the AF Concorde crash come to mind.

I assume that cargo aircraft are subject to the same fairly stringent maintenance and safety checks of passenger jets?  If so, and that it was actually done, would that point more towards the mass bird strike DG hinted at?  Perhaps with a catastrophic failure of the first engine causing it to become detached from the wing, and then enough damage to stop the rear engine?

Or debris from the first failure (caused by birds or an unfortunate mechanical failure) causing damage to the rear engine?