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[Rods2]

Can anybody explain why we need to belong to this supra-national totalitarian self-serving, unelected, unaccountable mess called the EU.

Norway aren't, Switzerland aren't and trade quite normally with imports and exports and the same applies to Turkey, Russia, Korea, China the US etc.

So why haven't we just got a EEA agreement, so we are part of the single market. We will not be part of CAP and subsidize inefficient French farmers and let the rest of the EU over-fish our waters, or hand over £8bn more than we pay them, but this is just the tip of the iceberg as many other UK funds are raided by the EU, like £1.2bn from the Overseas Aid budget that largely subsides the French tourist industry, including the French company Centerparcs. Many grants we get back are in the form of pro-EU bribes to interested parties, that are a complete waste of money and would be much better in UK citizens pockets in the form of tax cuts to boost our economy.

The trade gap is opening so they export more to us than we do to them every year, so it is not even good for British industry or our economy. The Eurozone crisis means our economy is tied to a corpse.

The only role we seem to play is the scrape goat for all the EU's ills, Eurozone crisis, City of London's fault, EU imposed economy killing counter cyclic austerity, UK bad as we veto voting as turkeys for Christmas, no budget agreement UK's fault etc, etc. Most of the Loony EU MEPs hate and despise us as we stop them gaining more powers and getting their snouts even further into the trough.

The sooner we are out, the sooner our economic crisis will be over and we will be free from an economy killing EU.

Vote UKIP

[Omegatoy]

Cem ... whether you like it or not, the Cypriot banks took on huge amounts of Greek debt when this crisis first started, now Greece can't pay those debts back, the banks are in deep doodoo, so they need money from the IMF. You may think the Greek side of Cyprus is rich, perhaps some parts are .. but a lot of it is built on debt ..... and Cyprus owes Russia a rather large amount as well !!

And as a small correction .... "they divide the island" is not quite true ... If my memory serves it was Turkey who invaded Cyprus in the early 70's, and caused me to be shot at for the first time in my life .... not something I enjoyed overmuch......   

wow!! I was there in 73/74 heard quite a few hair raising tales about shootings at squaddies etc,but thought they all missed!! well done for getting in the way of a bullet that could have hurt someone else!! shot the first time? how many other times you been shot??

[cleggy]

Can anybody explain why we need to belong to this supra-national totalitarian self-serving, unelected, unaccountable mess called the EU.

Norway aren't, Switzerland aren't and trade quite normally with imports and exports and the same applies to Turkey, Russia, Korea, China the US etc.

So why haven't we just got a EEA agreement, so we are part of the single market. We will not be part of CAP and subsidize inefficient French farmers and let the rest of the EU over-fish our waters, or hand over £8bn more than we pay them, but this is just the tip of the iceberg as many other UK funds are raided by the EU, like £1.2bn from the Overseas Aid budget that largely subsides the French tourist industry, including the French company Centerparcs. Many grants we get back are in the form of pro-EU bribes to interested parties, that are a complete waste of money and would be much better in UK citizens pockets in the form of tax cuts to boost our economy.

The trade gap is opening so they export more to us than we do to them every year, so it is not even good for British industry or our economy. The Eurozone crisis means our economy is tied to a corpse.

The only role we seem to play is the scrape goat for all the EU's ills, Eurozone crisis, City of London's fault, EU imposed economy killing counter cyclic austerity, UK bad as we veto voting as turkeys for Christmas, no budget agreement UK's fault etc, etc. Most of the Loony EU MEPs hate and despise us as we stop them gaining more powers and getting their snouts even further into the trough.

The sooner we are out, the sooner our economic crisis will be over and we will be free from an economy killing EU.

Vote UKIP

WELL SAID THAT MAN

Vote UKIP you know it makes sense

[STMO123]

Cem ... whether you like it or not, the Cypriot banks took on huge amounts of Greek debt when this crisis first started, now Greece can't pay those debts back, the banks are in deep doodoo, so they need money from the IMF. You may think the Greek side of Cyprus is rich, perhaps some parts are .. but a lot of it is built on debt ..... and Cyprus owes Russia a rather large amount as well !!

And as a small correction .... "they divide the island" is not quite true ... If my memory serves it was Turkey who invaded Cyprus in the early 70's, and caused me to be shot at for the first time in my life .... not something I enjoyed overmuch......   

wow!! I was there in 73/74 heard quite a few hair raising tales about shootings at squaddies etc,but thought they all missed!! well done for getting in the way of a bullet that could have hurt someone else!! shot the first time? how many other times you been shot??

He said "Shot at".

[PhilRich]

Entwood is far too nimble on his toes to catch a bullet! It comes from all the ducking & diving to avoid the RAF Naafi tea van!  
 

[cem_devecioglu]

Cem ... whether you like it or not, the Cypriot banks took on huge amounts of Greek debt when this crisis first started, now Greece can't pay those debts back, the banks are in deep doodoo, so they need money from the IMF. You may think the Greek side of Cyprus is rich, perhaps some parts are .. but a lot of it is built on debt ..... and Cyprus owes Russia a rather large amount as well !!

And as a small correction .... "they divide the island" is not quite true ... If my memory serves it was Turkey who invaded Cyprus in the early 70's, and caused me to be shot at for the first time in my life .... not something I enjoyed overmuch......   

wow!! I was there in 73/74 heard quite a few hair raising tales about shootings at squaddies etc,but thought they all missed!! well done for getting in the way of a bullet that could have hurt someone else!! shot the first time? how many other times you been shot??

He said "Shot at".

ok then.. so he is not wounded

[Entwood]

Cem ... whether you like it or not, the Cypriot banks took on huge amounts of Greek debt when this crisis first started, now Greece can't pay those debts back, the banks are in deep doodoo, so they need money from the IMF. You may think the Greek side of Cyprus is rich, perhaps some parts are .. but a lot of it is built on debt ..... and Cyprus owes Russia a rather large amount as well !!

And as a small correction .... "they divide the island" is not quite true ... If my memory serves it was Turkey who invaded Cyprus in the early 70's, and caused me to be shot at for the first time in my life .... not something I enjoyed overmuch......   

wow!! I was there in 73/74 heard quite a few hair raising tales about shootings at squaddies etc,but thought they all missed!! well done for getting in the way of a bullet that could have hurt someone else!! shot the first time? how many other times you been shot??

I said shot AT .. I wasn't... luckily .. hit !! ...

I was very new to the C130 Hercules then .. and this was my first "war", we were mainly tasked with the evacuation of "non-nationals" .. basically several thousand tourists from many countries who were suddenly caught in the middle of a war, we were, quite literally, taking them "off the beach" .. still in swimming cossies some of them who had not been able to get back to hotels and grab stuff.

We went into a small place called "Kingsfield" to pick up folks, but they were not there .. so I, and others, were sent to look for them... trip towards town in a Landie with no top on !! We soon found the 3 buses, stuck beyond a bit of crossfire that the drivers would not cross (sensibly) .... however as they saw the Landie both sides decided to use us as a target instead .. we did a rapid u turn and legged it ... luckily both sides were crap shots and just hit the Landie a couple of times then they legged it expecting us to call in help ... we would have .. had we had any kit !!

Buses then came down, we loaded up and departed.....

[Varche]

Can anybody explain why we need to belong to this supra-national totalitarian self-serving, unelected, unaccountable mess called the EU.

Norway aren't, Switzerland aren't and trade quite normally with imports and exports and the same applies to Turkey, Russia, Korea, China the US etc.

So why haven't we just got a EEA agreement, so we are part of the single market. We will not be part of CAP and subsidize inefficient French farmers and let the rest of the EU over-fish our waters, or hand over £8bn more than we pay them, but this is just the tip of the iceberg as many other UK funds are raided by the EU, like £1.2bn from the Overseas Aid budget that largely subsides the French tourist industry, including the French company Centerparcs. Many grants we get back are in the form of pro-EU bribes to interested parties, that are a complete waste of money and would be much better in UK citizens pockets in the form of tax cuts to boost our economy.

The trade gap is opening so they export more to us than we do to them every year, so it is not even good for British industry or our economy. The Eurozone crisis means our economy is tied to a corpse.

The only role we seem to play is the scrape goat for all the EU's ills, Eurozone crisis, City of London's fault, EU imposed economy killing counter cyclic austerity, UK bad as we veto voting as turkeys for Christmas, no budget agreement UK's fault etc, etc. Most of the Loony EU MEPs hate and despise us as we stop them gaining more powers and getting their snouts even further into the trough.

The sooner we are out, the sooner our economic crisis will be over and we will be free from an economy killing EU.

Vote UKIP

A few years back when this forum was started, I actually believed that the Eu was a good concept. Reciprocal trade, a common currency, help out the weaker member states, share technology and dare I say it armed forces.

Now. What a relief that Britain didn't go into the euro. ( However I still stand by my assertion that IF, and I am highly sceptical, the Euro survives then Britain's yellow livered government of the day will take us into the Euro within five years) . I firmly believe that Britain would be far better ought of the EU.

The beauracratic non elected bunch in Brussels are (like most politicians) on a giant ego trip down a dark dead end alley.

I believe we would still trade with countries in the "former EU" if we left. For sure we would be excluded from Super deals like New ships, Trains etc but I have a suspicion that that already happens anyway. As I have said now for some time , Britain needs to develop ,and fast, its trade with Brazil, India and China and Africa. ( The best car in the world-the Range Rover Evoque, is to be built in China and in volume) . If our products and services are good then people will have them whether we are in the EU or not.

Farming subsidies. If (and it is a forlorn hope) our shoppers and supermarkets actually supported our farmers then they wouldn't need subsidies. Just go to another country in the EU and try and find British produce on the shelves of the supermarkets. There is hardly any. I talked to a decent Frenchman who was gobsmacked that Britain produced ANY cheese. If they did why isn't there any in our supermarkets? he said. What a good question......

So now, I am convinced Britain ought to exit the EU. They need us more than we need them. Don't forget they still want,need and expect the Tobin tax.

   

[cem_devecioglu]

Cem ... whether you like it or not, the Cypriot banks took on huge amounts of Greek debt when this crisis first started, now Greece can't pay those debts back, the banks are in deep doodoo, so they need money from the IMF. You may think the Greek side of Cyprus is rich, perhaps some parts are .. but a lot of it is built on debt ..... and Cyprus owes Russia a rather large amount as well !!

And as a small correction .... "they divide the island" is not quite true ... If my memory serves it was Turkey who invaded Cyprus in the early 70's, and caused me to be shot at for the first time in my life .... not something I enjoyed overmuch......   

wow!! I was there in 73/74 heard quite a few hair raising tales about shootings at squaddies etc,but thought they all missed!! well done for getting in the way of a bullet that could have hurt someone else!! shot the first time? how many other times you been shot??

I said shot AT .. I wasn't... luckily .. hit !! ...

I was very new to the C130 Hercules then .. and this was my first "war", we were mainly tasked with the evacuation of "non-nationals" .. basically several thousand tourists from many countries who were suddenly caught in the middle of a war, we were, quite literally, taking them "off the beach" .. still in swimming cossies some of them who had not been able to get back to hotels and grab stuff.

We went into a small place called "Kingsfield" to pick up folks, but they were not there .. so I, and others, were sent to look for them... trip towards town in a Landie with no top on !! We soon found the 3 buses, stuck beyond a bit of crossfire that the drivers would not cross (sensibly) .... however as they saw the Landie both sides decided to use us as a target instead .. we did a rapid u turn and legged it ... luckily both sides were crap shots and just hit the Landie a couple of times then they legged it expecting us to call in help ... we would have .. had we had any kit !!

Buses then came down, we loaded up and departed.....

in that time, army was definitely ordered not to shoot at British and their area 
 
I have no doubt these were the Greeks to invite British soldiers

[Varche]

Oh, I forgot to add.

Why be in a club that every year fails to audit its accounts of a Trillion euro spend? They don't actually know where all the money goes we taxpayers pay

[omega3000]

For example, a fruit farmer in Lombardy put in a claim for more than €220,000 to fund a new two-storey building for storing and processing fruit "with a terrace for drying fruit". The project was checked and he got the money. He built himself a new house.

"The court found that the building had predominantly the characteristics of a private residence and not of an agricultural building," the auditors found.

In other instances that were checked, there were claims for 150 sheep from a farmer who had no sheep. And repeated duplication of claims on land, or two or more parties claiming and receiving subsidies for the same bit of farmland, or non-farming scrub and forest being claimed as arable land.

Of 160 "transactions" on rural development checked by the auditors, 93 were found to be dodgy or "affected by errors".

Do these people pay the monies back to the EU if found in error or is it just a case of we paid the money and cant claim it back 

[tigers_gonads]

If my memory serves me correctly it a was new constitution imposed and a power garb by Archbishop Marcos that caused the crisis, where he wanted to marginalize Turkish rights and interests.

When they first got independence, the Greeks and Turks both had representation in Government, but a Greek takeover agenda under Marcos, soured, divided and segregated the country where there were attacks by both side against each other.

A weak Labour government lead by Wilson were meant to be the guarantors of the Greek / Turkish power sharing agreement, but Wilson in his normal preferred stance of keeping his head firmly stuck up his butt and his stance did not change in trying to prevent the Turkish invasion or sorting out the resultant mess, where early intervention and a more assertive proactive approach by the UK may have been averted the resultant mess.

The result has not been good for either side, especially the Turks where the north has been starved of any inward investment from any country apart from Turkey.

yep.. Makarios who started the whole mess.. but the attacks were first started by EOKA  .. and thats a very important point..
 
and for the Turkish invasion, it was well prepared and sudden , even USA was a sleep

'dangle berries' 

The CIA knew what was going on as I believe the wilson goverment did.

I spent quite a bit of time out there during the 80's and was told many a time that when the CIA got wind of what was been planed, they had a quite word with the turks. The turks told them  "in no uncertain terms" that if they interfered they would be forced to remove there nukes from turkish soil which would have totally screwed up NATO's grand plan for keeping the Warsaw Pact in check 

[cem_devecioglu]

If my memory serves me correctly it a was new constitution imposed and a power garb by Archbishop Marcos that caused the crisis, where he wanted to marginalize Turkish rights and interests.

When they first got independence, the Greeks and Turks both had representation in Government, but a Greek takeover agenda under Marcos, soured, divided and segregated the country where there were attacks by both side against each other.

A weak Labour government lead by Wilson were meant to be the guarantors of the Greek / Turkish power sharing agreement, but Wilson in his normal preferred stance of keeping his head firmly stuck up his butt and his stance did not change in trying to prevent the Turkish invasion or sorting out the resultant mess, where early intervention and a more assertive proactive approach by the UK may have been averted the resultant mess.

The result has not been good for either side, especially the Turks where the north has been starved of any inward investment from any country apart from Turkey.

yep.. Makarios who started the whole mess.. but the attacks were first started by EOKA  .. and thats a very important point..
 
and for the Turkish invasion, it was well prepared and sudden , even USA was a sleep

'dangle berries' 

The CIA knew what was going on as I believe the wilson goverment did.

I spent quite a bit of time out there during the 80's and was told many a time that when the CIA got wind of what was been planed, they had a quite word with the turks. The turks told them  "in no uncertain terms" that if they interfered they would be forced to remove there nukes from turkish soil which would have totally screwed up NATO's grand plan for keeping the Warsaw Pact in check 

there was a report who claimed that CIA helped us.. it was "utter" dangle berries at the least
 
if that was correct why US put all the embargo on  guns, oil and many other things   after  the operation..
 
 
Kissinger call  prime minister Ecevit and asked to stop the operation immediately which he was refused.. and the nuke debate was in that time..
 
besides in this time the country was ready for a bigger war in case necessary..