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[Nickbat]

They brought in 24 hour opening for pubs and said this would greatly reduce the binge culture,it was actually more likely that it was a thankyou to big brewers for donations.
Now they appear to be suddenly speeding off in almost the opposite direction,more of the promised "joined up government"?
TBH,something needs to be done in our society to stop youngsters in particular drinking themselves almost senseless and then in quite a few cases,beating and kicking each other completely senseless.
I very much doubt that putting the price of booze up is the answer though,imo the problems run much too deep to have a solution as simple as this.

Make the legal age for alcohol consumption 21, perhaps?

[CaptainZok]

They brought in 24 hour opening for pubs and said this would greatly reduce the binge culture,it was actually more likely that it was a thankyou to big brewers for donations.
Now they appear to be suddenly speeding off in almost the opposite direction,more of the promised "joined up government"?
TBH,something needs to be done in our society to stop youngsters in particular drinking themselves almost senseless and then in quite a few cases,beating and kicking each other completely senseless.
I very much doubt that putting the price of booze up is the answer though,imo the problems run much too deep to have a solution as simple as this.

Make the legal age for alcohol consumption 21, perhaps?

Not sure about consumption but I think raising the age for off sales to 21 may have some merit.

[albitz]

Enforcement might be the problem,there are plenty of 13/14 year olds drinking at the moment. :-/

[Vamps]

They brought in 24 hour opening for pubs and said this would greatly reduce the binge culture,it was actually more likely that it was a thankyou to big brewers for donations.
Now they appear to be suddenly speeding off in almost the opposite direction,more of the promised "joined up government"?
TBH,something needs to be done in our society to stop youngsters in particular drinking themselves almost senseless and then in quite a few cases,beating and kicking each other completely senseless.
I very much doubt that putting the price of booze up is the answer though,imo the problems run much too deep to have a solution as simple as this.

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I fully agree, and I do not know what the answer is. When I was a lad the pub's shut at 10.30, yes we used to get peed up sometimes, but nothing like you see on these police programmes, it was not the norm to be mortal, just to enjoy a drink with your mates, maybe back to someones house, on a Saturday, and then home.
I have no idea where all this town center trouble has come from other than the pubs are open too long and young people don't know when to stop, and as for the girls, well
Underage drinking seems to be at a high, but never has there been so many shops selling alcohol, perhaps an age restriction of 25 to buy from shops, not pubs, may help and harder dealings with those that sell to underage or buy on there behalf. Simplistic I know but I can offer no other suggestions to the problem.....

[Nickbat]

They brought in 24 hour opening for pubs and said this would greatly reduce the binge culture,it was actually more likely that it was a thankyou to big brewers for donations.
Now they appear to be suddenly speeding off in almost the opposite direction,more of the promised "joined up government"?
TBH,something needs to be done in our society to stop youngsters in particular drinking themselves almost senseless and then in quite a few cases,beating and kicking each other completely senseless.
I very much doubt that putting the price of booze up is the answer though,imo the problems run much too deep to have a solution as simple as this.

Make the legal age for alcohol consumption 21, perhaps?

Not sure about consumption but I think raising the age for off sales to 21 may have some merit.

Yes, but that wouldn't fix the problem outside clubs, where chavs have been swilling for hours.

Albitz makes a good point, though. The problem may be deeper. Why does our youth feel that getting pi**ed is the only way to spend a night out? In my younger days, "pulling" was infinitely more important (and fun), than getting canned.  

[albitz]

I think self respect could have something to do with it.young girls waking up on a Sunday morning not remembering if they had sex the previous night,or who they had it with.young lads in a similar position,or having had  or given someone else real kicking,no concept of values/decency etc;?

[eddie]

Stop the local 'corner shops' from selling the stuff.

Make the supermarkets cordon  off the alcohol dept. to ensure under aged dont get at it.

Go into  any local mini-mart and more than 50% of the floorspace is taken up with alcohol.

Massive (MASSIVE) fines for shop owners selling to under 18's.

Stop the local Authorities from granting booze licenses like they were trying to save the Planet! Go into any city centre and its crammed with clubs-and too many apprentice alco,s.

Too late now,the man has made his mind up :-/
Buggers!

eddie

[Martin_1962]

Public shaming for the yob element

How come there was no problems when we were young

[Kevin Wood]

Yes, but that wouldn't fix the problem outside clubs, where chavs have been swilling for hours.

We should be enforcing the laws we have. We have laws against being drunk and disorderly, underage drinking and the sale of alcohol to minors. Chuck them in the cells for the night and they'll think twice next friday night.

Problem is, that requires an adequately resourced Police force, and that costs money. Instead they penalise those who do nothing wrong in order to "be seen" to do something and, far from it costing anything, they make more tax revenue in the process. Just like the continual march of the Gatso while people are STILL driving round with phones clamped to their ears due to zero chance of the law being enforced.

Albitz makes a good point, though. The problem may be deeper. Why does our youth feel that getting pi**ed is the only way to spend a night out? In my younger days, "pulling" was infinitely more important (and fun), than getting canned.  

I had a greater success rate with one than the other though.

We are now a society where there are no consequences, though. Parents don't want to know about their own kids. As long as they are out of the house they couldn't care less what they were up to. I know for a fact I wouldn't have got away with getting hammered and causing a nuisance every night when I was young. Discipline was waiting when I got home, but of course we're not allowed that any more.  

There's no quick fix for this. It has been brewing for a generation and we are starting to see the results. It could take decades to change, and who knows what will happen when we see the results of  today's troublemakers' parenting skills?  :-/

I fear these measures will just mean more sacrifices get made in hard up households where a lot of alcohol is consumed, and more trade will leave the pubs in favour of the booze cruise. Then again, closure of pubs seems to be an unwritten Labour manifesto pledge these days.

Kevin

[Nickbat]

Of course, would it not be logical to assume that if the price was hiked then those who could not readily afford the extra would seek additional income...

...by mugging, thieving, fencing etc.