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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #30 on: 15 October 2007, 15:36:16 »
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Ow yes, its an engine I know all to well.

They realy are a bag of nails.....the rockers wear so you cant set valve clearence properly (the tips are not hardened).

The bore wear on them is frightening

The chains get noisey and you cant change them with the engine fitted

The breather system is rubbish (but in this case clear because I have already checked).

Black death is fitted as standard.

They are gutless.



And, yes you can get them quiet but, you have to remove the rockers and re-profile them to remove the groove before setting the clearance.

Its shocking this crock was fitted well into the 00's in KA's.

so this is up there with the mini in your view then  ;)
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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #31 on: 18 October 2007, 08:39:30 »
Ok.....did the brakes on thsi car last night.

New slave cylinders (both leaking) and rear shoes pus a full brake fluid bleed (anybody interested in some 12 year old vintage brake fluid?)

Front discs and pads also done.

It was VERY bad with many of the pads having no friction material left at all.

It is much better, tappets are the next job and head light aim (god knows how this got through an MOT 500 miles ago)
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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #32 on: 18 October 2007, 09:25:42 »
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....... There is no way anyone can say i didnt know when they put the brakes on and it sounds like a fileing cabinet being dragged along behind.  ...

 .... but some people are clueless when it comes to their cars, they just don't hear things like that. They wouldn't know if it was goosed or not hence all the idiot proof bit we have on cars now ... low pad warning, low oil level, yellow oil filler caps etc etc
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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #33 on: 18 October 2007, 09:31:38 »
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(god knows how this got through an MOT 500 miles ago)

That's the shocking bit. I got pulled up at my last MOT for low pads. They were at about the level at which changing them is on my todo list but still perfectly safe. And yet a deathtrap like this sails through. Presumably you can't see the pad condition without dismantling?

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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #34 on: 18 October 2007, 09:35:43 »
I will post some pictures tonight.....
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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #35 on: 18 October 2007, 09:46:49 »
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(god knows how this got through an MOT 500 miles ago)

That's the shocking bit. I got pulled up at my last MOT for low pads. They were at about the level at which changing them is on my todo list but still perfectly safe. And yet a deathtrap like this sails through. Presumably you can't see the pad condition without dismantling?

Kevin

I questioned that when I MOT'd my Astra earlier this year. The car quite rightly failed on other things but surely brakes are tested to an efficiency and not to a pad level, the rear shoes weren't much better but obviously the test couldn't see them.
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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #36 on: 18 October 2007, 12:35:19 »
My '93 Astra passed it's MOT with flying colours this year.  When the brakes were serviced the rear drums were seized on, shoes falling apart, cylinders leaking & front dics badly wartped & pitted.  Just because it stopped 'efficienty' it passed.

Oh yes, and this was at a Vauxhall main dealer  :o

(I know I should know better than let them get in that state.....)
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If it's stuck, force it.  If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway........

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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #37 on: 18 October 2007, 14:11:15 »
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My '93 Astra passed it's MOT with flying colours this year.  When the brakes were serviced the rear drums were seized on, shoes falling apart, cylinders leaking & front dics badly wartped & pitted.  Just because it stopped 'efficienty' it passed.

Oh yes, and this was at a Vauxhall main dealer  :o

(I know I should know better than let them get in that state.....)

Testers aren't allowed to dismantle anything so as long as the braking efficiency meets the required (outdated) standard then it will pass.
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« Reply #38 on: 18 October 2007, 16:55:25 »
Not a criticism of the garage as I realise they are constrained and they did indicate the front discs were poor, more an indication of the shortcomings test itself - people put too much blind faith in it.
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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #39 on: 18 October 2007, 21:18:44 »
Heres the shoes....



The discs and pads....



And a wall I built this evening.... ;D

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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #40 on: 18 October 2007, 21:26:46 »
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My '93 Astra passed it's MOT with flying colours this year.  When the brakes were serviced the rear drums were seized on, shoes falling apart, cylinders leaking & front dics badly wartped & pitted.  Just because it stopped 'efficienty' it passed.

Oh yes, and this was at a Vauxhall main dealer  :o

(I know I should know better than let them get in that state.....)
With the skill and expertise you have in the family, why don't you do such stuff yourself?
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« Reply #41 on: 18 October 2007, 21:27:59 »
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And a wall I built this evening.... ;D
Looks good :y

But Pete is getting more bricks down faster ;D
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Re: Its worrying....
« Reply #42 on: 18 October 2007, 23:35:05 »
There looks to be loads of life left in those front pads!  ;D  ;D  I have to admit that I took my Omega's rear pads down to Rizla thickness. :-[
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