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[Gaffers]

Could have sworn I saw you looking

[Gaffers]

Anyway enough hijacking of this thread children 

This is what I see at work:

Inbox:



If I scroll down:



New message:



Bizarre!

[LJay]

Sorry but arse's and threesomes are far more interesting!

[TheBoy]

Sorry but arse's and threesomes are far more interesting!

Definately

[TheBoy]

Anyway enough hijacking of this thread children 

This is what I see at work:

Inbox:



If I scroll down:



New message:



Bizarre!

The amount of work to fix an unsupported browser might make it unlikey.

When I get a test site up again, I might ask you to test something - I have a theory to a possible fix...

[Gaffers]

 

Not fussed for myself, I should be working anyway but I was concerned others using archaic browsers like mine

[TheBoy]

Not fussed for myself, I should be working anyway but I was concerned others using archaic browsers like mine

Its a balancing act - the developers want to provide a modern experience, yet still support common broswers. IE6 (or 5, or 4 - yes, our logs still say they are out there, though I suspect many of these hits are masquarading as these browsers) is unsupported by its vendor, so web site developers rightly say they can't supoort it.

[feeutfo]

The more I use this new software, the more I think it's a shame yabb didn't keep up with development. I miss the appearance of yabb, but this is so much better in practical terms. Minor glitches aside of course.

[TheBoy]

The more I use this new software, the more I think it's a shame yabb didn't keep up with development. I miss the appearance of yabb, but this is so much better in practical terms. Minor glitches aside of course.

Yeah, the clean, simple lines of YaBB made it easy/clear/usable.

We should have done this upgrade before last Christmas, but a new YaBB was looking a real possibility then (you know, you did some minor testing for me), so we delayed and delayed. Which backed us in a nasty corner, and I had to buy a new, more powerful, server as an interim bodge to keep us running 

There is some hope for YaBB, which I'm not allowed to ellaborate on, but it will still be months off, even if it doesn't happen. OOF couldn't survive that in its previous form.


It was a desperately hard decision for the Admin Team to make to dump YaBB, but in reality, it was the only move we could make. It was bad for both parties - we have to learn new software, write new back-end scripts and processes, and understand the complex interdependencies of this type of system. YaBB loses one of its showcase sites - we were one of the largest (almost) standard YaBBs out there, and proving that YaBB could run quickly and reliably with really modest resources.


SMF offers us much better scalability, fits in (mostly) with our requirements, and offers far more options should we need to change again in the future.

[TheBoy]

There is some hope for YaBB, which I'm not allowed to ellaborate on, but it will still be months off, even if it doesn't happen. OOF couldn't survive that in its previous form.

I'll clarify that slightly, as I know many YaBB forum owners are looking at how successful our migration has been.

YaBB, as it stands, is dead - cue Monty Python Dead Parrot sketch.  It has been slowly, possibly intentionally, killed by keeping it on its current host that cannot run it. This ensures no new forums have used it (when the support forum for it is so slow and unreliable, yet modestly sized, and not busy), so no new blood, no new developers.  Currently, it has no Global Moderators, and 1 Administrator who rarely logs on. Its dead. Finished. Over.

But there might be a small band of people willing to resurrect a version of it again 

[justjohn]

Corey Chapmans last post basically say's it may be dead by Christmas.

YaBB is cracking software, methinks the problem is in the lack of coders who know how to code MySql.

A lot of the people code Perl and might not be up to speed on other systems, if it does not get some new, young or experienced coders it looks like it will be dead in the water.

Once you change to SMF I don't think folk will go back to YaBB unless a miracle happens with the staff behind the scenes.

[TheBoy]

Corey Chapmans last post basically say's it may be dead by Christmas.

YaBB is cracking software, methinks the problem is in the lack of coders who know how to code MySql.

A lot of the people code Perl and might not be up to speed on other systems, if it does not get some new, young or experienced coders it looks like it will be dead in the water.

Once you change to SMF I don't think folk will go back to YaBB unless a miracle happens with the staff behind the scenes.

I saw Corey's post last night. The final nail in the coffin 

I think part of the issue is the change from flatfile to SQL (any variant) is very major to do right (the current Y3 implementation is using the FF structureand accessed/processed in the same way, just the data store in MySQL - incredibly inefficient, worse than FF). So it needs major parts rewriting from scratch.

Perl introduces its own set of issues with databases - additional libraries are needed (and not all hosts will have all the right ones), and its not the fastest/easiest development system for SQL. Which is why there are an awful lot of MySQL based websites using PHP.


I don't think YaBB can recover from where it has gone in the last 15 months.  I really hope I'm proved wrong, as its a fantastic piece of software, and even as-is, perfectly good for small forums - we proved here that, search aside, it can scale to an extent on modest hardware (our VM was allocated 1 vCPU and 1Gb RAM only).

[feeutfo]

Sounds like an infighting>big row>strop off> take my toys with me type affair. Shame. But onward onward ever onward.