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[millwall]

im saying nothing or i will defenately be banned again  and im in a good mood and no one is spoiling it

[Dishevelled Den]

Enoch Powell began his speech of April 20th 1968 by using the following words;

The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils

It saddens me that such an earnest ideal can have little relevance today as those upon whom the title of Statesman can be bestowed seem to be very few in number across our country - given the propensity that many of those now occupying public office have  to look after their own welfare first and foremost, they appear to be quite willing to follow the lead of a greater evil, an evil that is instilled by virtue of supreme unchallengeable power and all too evident in those unelected officials now given the right to decide how we conduct our own business and in those for whom the integrity of this country means little.

While this speech was very much of its time, the general thrust of its argument holds true - even though the actors and the stage upon which these matters are being performed have changed somewhat. This country simply cannot continue to accept untrammelled immigration – from whatever source- without consequence.

Placing the RRB (Race Relations Bill) into the historical context, and substituting EU directives and various legislation drafted to embrace the important issue of ‘Human Rights’, the following paragraph appearing near the end of the speech is quite prophetic, given our recent history;

For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

I think we have yet to see the full import of that foreboding and, furthermore, the consequences of ignoring this matter in the insane stampede to embrace political correctness above all else will be difficult for every person within this country to ignore – whatever their antecedents.


Read the text of the speech here;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

[cem_devecioglu]

Look, here is the effect of climate change...

   yep the difference is obvious.. this is more like french talking african team!

[cem_devecioglu]

simple, kick their arse


some time ago there was a debate in my school group on yahoo.. many of my school mates working in UK and USA..

some are doctors, some are engineers and some in different areas.. I told them "your country needs you .. so you have to come back.."

of course they were not happy when I criticise them

so the only solution is I repeat "kick their arse"

It's funny how we are agreed although as Turkey as Hungary gave a lot of immigrant to the world. i personally can't understand the East - Europeans who actually leave home for foreign countries for ever as if here the life was a big pile of sh*t. We needn't going too far here on forum we can read off simply that close not perfect to live in England either and I'm pretty sure not in the US , too...
Silently I would add the US came from nothing and became great by immigrants though.

yep.. but must admit I'm quite pleased with east europeans ..    my wife is Romanian.. and comparingly her expectations are really minimal compared to Turkish women   and must say if it become necessary to marry again ..  She definitely wont be  Turkish 

[Webby the Bear]

I think it's a tad sensationalising for what all papers are guilty of.

371,000 is only 6.7%.

Also, note it says there are 5.5m ''foreign-born'' people here. But who's to say these people haven't lived here all their life and have just lost their job and are genuinely looking for work? Without knowing that it's difficult to assess.

Yes, there are foreigners over here taking the p*ss... but I guarantee more ''home-grown'' people are taking the p*ss five-fold!

Just my opinion though 

[the alarming man]

im saying nothing or i will defenately be banned again and im in a good mood and no one is spoiling it

on go on ...you know you want too...you will still be welcome tommorow lol

[millwall]

im saying nothing or i will defenately be banned again and im in a good mood and no one is spoiling it

on go on ...you know you want too...you will still be welcome tommorow lol

no no no no my lips are zipped mark

[ted_one]

Got a feeling I KNOW what our first subject is going to be tomorrow down in deepest Kent

[Nickbat]

I think it's a tad sensationalising for what all papers are guilty of.

371,000 is only 6.7%.

Also, note it says there are 5.5m ''foreign-born'' people here. But who's to say these people haven't lived here all their life and have just lost their job and are genuinely looking for work? Without knowing that it's difficult to assess.

Yes, there are foreigners over here taking the p*ss... but I guarantee more ''home-grown'' people are taking the p*ss five-fold!

Just my opinion though 

Indeed, there are many, as the programme Saints and Scroungers often points out (although, on the last two occasions I watched, two families from outside the EU were caught running huge benefits frauds). The point is that there are many from overseas who are not, or who should not be, entitled to UK State handouts and this highlights the excessively lax attitude we have had towards immigration. Furthermore, unless I am mistaken, the numbers were revealed as a result of a question in the Commons, so it's hardly sensationalising by the press. I have no basic problem with helping those who suffer genuine hardship, no matter where they come from, but this figure of "only 6.7%" represents a considerable amount of money in cash terms and is simply wrong in my book.

[Richie London]

Britain is no longer Britain and it will get worse. Im glad im older and wont be around when civil war breaks out here and it will eventually. we are losing our country to people who shouldn't be here and a cult  that  disguises itself a  religion.

[Rods2]

Only confirms what my stepson has been telling me, except many have multiple identities and are registered in several different areas. Apparently there is no cross checking by different benefit offices. Registering and claiming benefits is their job. Minimal amount of work required to claim, getting more money than probably most of the people on here who work hard full time and pay taxes to keep these claimants / benefit cheats / scum at a standard of living we can only aspire to. 

Welcome to 2012 and Labour's new Jerusalem. I'm afraid Tony Blair's and Gordon Brown's vision for utopia is not mine. 

Many migrants have come from Eastern Europe as the wage and job opportunities are much better. Having no work in much of Eastern Europe puts you below the official poverty level of earning more than $2 a day.

There are also many well educated professional people as most East European countries have good educational systems and limited opportunities for the many top scientists and engineers they produce. Three Ukrainian's I know working in the UK, one is a Professor in Bio-engineering at a top University, another is a senior project manager for a big-multinational engineering company and the other works as an IT security expert for one of the major mobile phone companies.

These are two very different sides of the immigration coin.

[Varche]

Net immigration and emigration in Spain. More leaving than arriving. Not surprising as the unemployment rate is truly horrific here at 20% plus nationally. Where I live in the south it is nearly 30%.

One of the top three emigration destinations fro Spaniards?  Britain.  seems there is plenty of (low paid no doubt) work to be had.

How times change. The last government we had here in Spain couldn't get enough labour for agriculture and construction. Within the last 7 years they had a programme (like the Australians had) to encourage Spanish speaking immigrants. They wanted and got over 1 Million, mostly from South America. Most have since gone back and many lost a packet due to negative equity issues.

[Johnny English]

Only confirms what my stepson has been telling me, except many have multiple identities and are registered in several different areas. Apparently there is no cross checking by different benefit offices. Registering and claiming benefits is their job. Minimal amount of work required to claim, getting more money than probably most of the people on here who work hard full time and pay taxes to keep these claimants / benefit cheats / scum at a standard of living we can only aspire to. 

Welcome to 2012 and Labour's new Jerusalem. I'm afraid Tony Blair's and Gordon Brown's vision for utopia is not mine. 

Many migrants have come from Eastern Europe as the wage and job opportunities are much better. Having no work in much of Eastern Europe puts you below the official poverty level of earning more than $2 a day.

There are also many well educated professional people as most East European countries have good educational systems and limited opportunities for the many top scientists and engineers they produce. Three Ukrainian's I know working in the UK, one is a Professor in Bio-engineering at a top University, another is a senior project manager for a big-multinational engineering company and the other works as an IT security expert for one of the major mobile phone companies.

These are two very different sides of the immigration coin.

  Living in abroad is a dream for lots of people hereby but there is also a third side of the coin namely living in England means some prestige. If you arrive home you can pose everytime you want can tell about anything as it can be checked by nobody. We have a saying : "who arrived from afar can say anything they want".
  About wage: I know some hun people there who aren't able to move home cos they have no enough money to restart their life herehome. All of them rent apartement for two times money than here plus lies on half of m2 not to mention they have to do menial jobs part time here part time there.  They're just running through the day the month ... the life.  I wouldn't do.