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[Nickbat]

More than 370,000 migrants who were admitted to Britain to work, study or go on holiday are now claiming out-of-work benefits, according to official figures compiled for the first time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9026401/370000-migrants-on-the-dole.html


Hell's teeth! 

[albitz]

Dont get me started Nick.Im hoping to relax and get some sleep soon. ............probably the tip of the Iceberg,truth be told.

And I dont see why it should be a taboo subject.Shouldnt be a problem to discuss immigration as long as we dont descend to the level of insulting people of different races imo.

[Del Boy]

Rather unsurprising to be honest 

[feeutfo]

Wonder if there is scope for an Independance party for every uk country? Obviously there is no point asking a portion of the Scots electorate, but as they feel the need, I  just wondered.  

... as England has historically always welcomed immigrants in recent times, as said, is there any suprise on this particular story?

[Lazydocker]

Wonder if there is scope for an Independance party for every uk country? Obviously there is no point asking a portion of the Scots electorate, but as they feel the need, I  just wondered.  

... as England has historically always welcomed immigrants in recent times, as said, is there any suprise on this particular story?

Interestingly, I was chatting to a Scottish chap who was down here for a couple of weeks on Wednesday evening. He was telling me that the majority of Scots do not want independence and that there appeared to be another agenda behind the sudden push

[albitz]

Politicians are forever pushing their countries in directions that the people who elected them dont want.They seem to assume stupidity on the part of their electors,so lie to them to get their votes and then carryout their own agenda once elected.
Ive little doubt that its happening in Scotland at present,and also happened in the UK (not just England)as a whole regarding immigration under New Labour.There was a secret policy (which has since been admitted to) of completely opening the doors and allowing literally everyone and anyone who wanted to,to come to the UK.
To my knowledge,no Govt. of any other country  has ever done this before. The reason ? "to give the country the shake up it needs,and to rub the noses of the right in diversity". Treacherous,treasonous and criminal imo. Particularily when  they were,at the time,appearing on TV etc. and telling us that they were making every effort to have reasonable controls on immigration,while implementing this policy at the same time. Has to be the most cynical misuse of power in modern times I would think.
So, I wouldnt say that England (or the UK as a whole) has necessarily welcomed immigration in recent times - or more accurately,havent welcomed the way it was done and the sheer numbers involved - but the elected politicians drove a coach and horses through any common sense approach to the subject,and then disgracefully,had anyone who dared to question their methods or motives labelled as an extreme right wing,nazi supporting racist / fascist.
N.B. There are actually independence movements / parties in all four countries of the U.K. although UKIP of course is different, in that it stands for UK independence from the E.U. rather than a constituent country becoming independent from the U.K.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249797/Labour-threw-open-doors-mass-migration-secret-plot-make-multicultural-UK.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8451615/Almost-one-in-eight-people-living-in-UK-are-born-abroad.html

The cynicism has started again, wearing different clothes this time.These people dont believe in anything apart from their own careers, and will say anything which their advisers tell them will advance their career.
http://www.immigrationmatters.co.uk/labour-admit-eu-immigration-mistakes.html

[feeutfo]

Wonder if there is scope for an Independance party for every uk country? Obviously there is no point asking a portion of the Scots electorate, but as they feel the need, I  just wondered.  

... as England has historically always welcomed immigrants in recent times, as said, is there any suprise on this particular story?

Interestingly, I was chatting to a Scottish chap who was down here for a couple of weeks on Wednesday evening. He was telling me that the majority of Scots do not want independence and that there appeared to be another agenda behind the sudden push

depends what they/we want Independance from? As you say. If Independance from the uk(England it seems) suits their purpose that doesn't suprise me either.

While I agree it's gone way too far on head count, let's hope uk residents will never suffer enough financially to have to emigrate to survive themselves, and then sit there moaning about how that country goes about its business.

[Terbs]

 I am remaining calm....deep breathing...counting to ten

[Johnny English]

Dont get me started Nick.Im hoping to relax and get some sleep soon. ............probably the tip of the Iceberg,truth be told.

And I dont see why it should be a taboo subject.Shouldnt be a problem to discuss immigration as long as we dont descend to the level of insulting people of different races imo.

Agreed!    I'm sure there is no taboo but less intelligent people...

[the alarming man]

I am remaining calm....deep breathing...counting to ten

I am with you on that one terber but counting a Lot higher....what's that about looking after your own first...women dieing of cancer where that is a drug to save them but most PCT are too cash strapped to afford it....government is a disgrace

[Johnny English]

 Thought again receiving uncountable immigrants without pushing 'em to be assimilated fully is really dangerous. A few ten years ago Serbia received countless albans in Kosovo who started working and making children in the same time and all of us know well what happened not too long ago : Serbia lost Kosovo her own historical territory, which belonged to Serbia all the time of history!
 To go to a better place where everything is OK because the locals did all the possible to be is the easiest thing I know ever! I ask : what can an immigrant be proud of? Sit off into donation of a well operating social system?  If somebody needs experience I say okay get 'em and go home !  Their life is in danger I say okay till this status is standing but after go home !
 Strictly regularised child number is needed, they have to be separated from other immigrants to help 'em language learning, minimalized keep in touch with home and so on...Not a simple case but you/we can learn from experiences of different countries eg Serbia, Germany, French...
 Our French friends solved this problem for a short period of time as killed off their own minorities (Bretons) during The Great French Revolution but nowadays there is a new challenge namely arabs and other nations. I must laugh all the time when I see the french national football team haha...

[cem_devecioglu]

simple, kick their arse


some time ago there was a debate in my school group on yahoo.. many of my school mates working in UK and USA..

some are doctors, some are engineers and some in different areas.. I told them "your country needs you .. so you have to come back.."

of course they were not happy when I criticise them 

so the only solution is I repeat "kick their arse"

[cem_devecioglu]

Thought again receiving uncountable immigrants without pushing 'em to be assimilated fully is really dangerous. A few ten years ago Serbia received countless albans in Kosovo who started working and making children in the same time and all of us know well what happened not too long ago : Serbia lost Kosovo her own historical territory, which belonged to Serbia all the time of history!
 To go to a better place where everything is OK because the locals did all the possible to be is the easiest thing I know ever! I ask : what can an immigrant be proud of? Sit off into donation of a well operating social system?  If somebody needs experience I say okay get 'em and go home !  Their life is in danger I say okay till this status is standing but after go home !
 Strictly regularised child number is needed, they have to be separated from other immigrants to help 'em language learning, minimalized keep in touch with home and so on...Not a simple case but you/we can learn from experiences of different countries eg Serbia, Germany, French...
 Our French friends solved this problem for a short period of time as killed off their own minorities (Bretons) during The Great French Revolution but nowadays there is a new challenge namely arabs and other nations. I must laugh all the time when I see the french national football team haha...

  good point

[Johnny English]

simple, kick their arse


some time ago there was a debate in my school group on yahoo.. many of my school mates working in UK and USA..

some are doctors, some are engineers and some in different areas.. I told them "your country needs you .. so you have to come back.."

of course they were not happy when I criticise them

so the only solution is I repeat "kick their arse"

It's funny how we are agreed although as Turkey as Hungary gave a lot of immigrant to the world. i personally can't understand the East - Europeans who actually leave home for foreign countries for ever as if here the life was a big pile of sh*t. We needn't going too far here on forum we can read off simply that close not perfect to live in England either and I'm pretty sure not in the US , too...
Silently I would add the US came from nothing and became great by immigrants though. 

[Johnny English]

Look, here is the effect of climate change...