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[albitz]

Whoa...hold on a bit D.....Albitz uses the 'IMO'....meanining in his opinion. I would think he means ' not shop floor', but the white collars in the background. Not saying at all that all 'white collars' are unfeeling, but that is the area where 'profits' are normally bedded

Not entirely Terbert.Im afraid to say that many of the nurses should never be allowed near a hospital ward either.

[Elite Pete]

Imigrants. The NHS has enough on it's plate without having to help someone who has never contributed to it. Everyone that wasn't born in this country should have an NHS account and if they need help from the NHS and haven't paid enough in to cover the cost of the help should be made to pay or have a health insurance. Just my tuppence worth

[ozzycat]

Imigrants. The NHS has enough on it's plate without having to help someone who has never contributed to it. Everyone that wasn't born in this country should have an NHS account and if they need help from the NHS and haven't paid enough in to cover the cost of the help should be made to pay or have a health insurance. Just my tuppence worth

exactly my thoughts entirly

[Rods2]

Until you have paying customers, as in using the £100bn NHS funding as a health insurance, there will be no changes as all hospitals and staff get paid whether they are excellent, good, average, poor or awful anyway. We know from the soviet experience that command industries and monopolies of supply are expensive and don't deliver.

With my ex-wife I had to pay for her to go privately as either the waiting list was unacceptable or the treatment on offer and doctors attitude was not acceptable. So I ended up paying twice; taxes and private treatment.

Why do we allow Governments to set up monopolies of supply when they are quite rightly illegal in the private sector?

If you want to know why many rich people live to a very old age it is because they can afford immediate and effective treatment when they become ill (The same applies to the royal family). The private hospitals only earn their money from giving treatment, not saving money by starving and dehydrating them to death.

[D]

My local hospital in colchester is now also under the glare of publicity due to the number of deaths etc. there.Im not in the least surprised.Most of its depts. really arent fit for purpose.
Imo the NHS problems are nothing to do with money.In fact I think it has too much money and too many enployees.Its much more about quite a lot of people who now work in it,who have grown up in a generation where public service and caring for others needs before your own are alien concepts.

Have you actually read the Francis report? If not I would suggest spending some time reading it before making random statements like those.

With regards to the statement you make following that, I cannot even imagine that you have met or worked with many thousands of NHS staff that I have met/worked with who care about people and wish to actually help them.

I suppose you must be the only person in the world who is doing a job where you care about the person you serve! And everyone else must be selfish bastards.

The HS budget is beyond any of the usual descriptions - enoromous,gigantic etc etc.It is a bottomless money pit,that could never be filled.It consumes almost £100 billion per year in England alone.It is the fifth largest employer in the world.Whatever its problems are they cant be blamed on underfunding or undermanning.
My family have unfortunately had much experience of the NHS in recent times. Unfortunately much (but not all) of the treatment has been terrible.I speak as I find.

Again a random statement. Do you just make this up as you go along?

The UK spends lower than the average EU spend of its GDP (8.5%). For eg: France spends 11% of its GDP on healthcare. The USA around 17%. Yet the UK has the highest efficiency drive compared to that of the continent. 20 billion in 4 years! Do you really think this is sustainable? And then you get people who have no idea what they are talking about make random baseless statements. Does it need a changing in line with changing times? Yes! Does it need ignorance thrown into the mix? No!

On the other hand, my experience with both emergency and planned care on the NHS has been very good. I cannot say the same about poorly trained GP's, but then that is another story.

[Rods2]

I'm not the only one with negative views of the way the NHS is run:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/charlesmoore/9858118/Stafford-scandal-Lets-face-the-truth-about-our-uncaring-selfish-and-cruel-NHS.html

And the next NHS scandal on dying children:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9859681/Hospital-sued-over-children-left-neglected-and-dying-on-wards.html

[albitz]

It has big problems,but money cant fix them. Im not speaking out of ignorance,Im speaking from a lot of first hand experience.I have no doubt that there are far too many people on the front line of the NHS these days who simply do not have a caring disposition.
Thats something that money cant buy.As for efficiency ? Dont get me started.