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[tunnie]

Oh....and when a Renault mechanic does the pollen filter, I'll bet it doesn't take very long at all, if you do it all day long..........

 

I bet he does 

Or as Nick says, they will charge you for the labour and the part, but not actually do the work. After all, how would you ever know?

[STEMO]

Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.

Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......

So why buy one here? 

Because I wanted to and that's my choice. I couldn't imagine running round in an old barge..but there you go.

But many moons ago you had one? But chopped it in, due to I assume service costs?

Had one what? Omega? James bought that.

[STEMO]

Oh....and when a Renault mechanic does the pollen filter, I'll bet it doesn't take very long at all, if you do it all day long..........

 

I bet he does 

Or as Nick says, they will charge you for the labour and the part, but not actually do the work. After all, how would you ever know?

Cause I can see him through the........square..window. Or was it the arched window? 

[tunnie]

Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.

Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......

So why buy one here? 

Because I wanted to and that's my choice. I couldn't imagine running round in an old barge..but there you go.

But many moons ago you had one? But chopped it in, due to I assume service costs?

Had one what? Omega? James bought that.

So why did you sell it out of interest?

[Andy B]

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But you can't just just say that every French car is shite, or  .....

'Ours' is ...... an expensive one at that

And rare....an acquired taste, I think. 

rare?  Which bit? It's a rare GREEN C3 auto but all its faults are common, so common that most of the faults have been repaired with Citroen modified bits

[Nick W]

Oh....and when a Renault mechanic does the pollen filter, I'll bet it doesn't take very long at all, if you do it all day long..........

 

I bet he does 

Or as Nick says, they will charge you for the labour and the part, but not actually do the work. After all, how would you ever know?

Cause I can see him through the........square..window. Or was it the arched window? 

So what was he actually doing for the 2 your oil change took? Playing boules, drinking Pernod and smoking Gitanes? More likely he was applying fluent Anglo-Saxon to the person who designed the damn thing.

[05omegav6]

My car, built in Belgium, has the pollen filter where you expect it to be...

Took all of 45 minutes to change the oil, plugs and all the filters. Fuerl filter was a bit of a shit though...

The person who designed it obviously felt it appropriate to squeeze it in the two inch gap between the spare wheel well and the fuel tank, before covering it with the rear suspension...

Another 2.4p and the pipes would have reached the offside of the spare wheel well where there's almost enough space for a suitcase

[Broomies Mate]

This is a bit unfair chaps.  I know Steve is a good sport and 'gives it out' but c'mon.

My car was built in Sweden, by people who knew how to build cars.  Sadly, GM played part in it's design.  That's it's only downfall.  Front suspension bushes, rear suspension bushes.  Ring any bells?

The Omega is certainly not a car to rave about in terms of being bullet-proof.  The engines, yes!  The car, no.  And my engine is better than yours, so ner! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

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Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes. ....

Question, who do you think actually works on the car?

Some wise old man, who knows Renault since he was a little nipper. The wise old dog that knows them like the back of his hand?

No, it's some 17 year old kid who is reading instructions off a laptop.

Personally I think it's an expensive illusion, that you get best service from a dealer.

Spotty seventeen year old and regular self abuser.

[TheBoy]

Spotty seventeen year old and regular self abuser.

Well he needs to keep strength in his arms....

[Webby the Bear]

Lol Steve, I'm not sure why you've morphed the convo in to a dealer vs backstreet garage quality. Yes, I erroneously removed the glove box cos I might have misread some instructions but how does that mean the quality of my work is substandard in comparison to a dealer? Are you suggesting no mistakes have ever been made in a dealer lol the fact is that after much swearing the job was done exactly how it should have been I.E. necessary components were removed to gain access to the serviceable item. Those items removed were subsequently put back following replacement of said item.

Doesn't change the fact that they (French cars and renaults in particular) are designed as the most difficult to service cars on the market. Does making a car exceedingly difficult to service smack of a great design. I don't think so. Hence the thread.

[STEMO]

Sorry I jumped on you, Webby, but if you owned a Renault, you'd understand. 

[Webby the Bear]

  that's ok mate. I understand the allure of the French. Especially that bird who wanted a bit of guy Martin in the soapbox episode 

[Shackeng]

Maybe they've changed concept, but next to my Omegas, my R16 was the most comfortable car I've owned in 60 odd years of motoring, and it was very easy to work on. I had it for 12 years, but the tin worm beat me.

[amazonian]

have to agree with you there Shackeng I had one as well, never any trouble and very comfy.