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[Andy B]

I guess you also think it's OK for someone to start taking bits off here and without following the prescribed procedure?

....... Check out Renault's procedure for doing Espace/Avantime V6 cambelts.  ....

apart from the Renault badges front & back ...... 

I quite like the idea of the Avantime  ...... I'd never buy one though because it's a Renault 

[STEMO]

I guess you also think it's OK for someone to start taking bits off here and without following the prescribed procedure?

It's frequently necessary. Check out Renault's procedure for doing Espace/Avantime V6 cambelts. The belt kit is about £100, the cost of the job is at least £1100. The procedure is remove the engine for access. But it's doable in place in about 3 hours.

I dare say you're right, Andy, but that wasn't really the point I was making.
People like me who, can't/won't do their own maintenance or repairs, rely on garages to do the work. I shouldn't have to worry whether my car is in the hands of someone who knows exactly what they're doing or someone who will do it 'their own way'.
Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes.
I sat in reception while they did an oil change on our megane....two fickin hours. When I started getting uppity I was told that they did other diagnostic checks whenever a vehicle came in and it wouldn't cost me any extra. I could see them through the little window working away so I just had to wait.

[tunnie]

Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.

[Andy B]

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Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes. ....

That was partly my rationale when I took my Mercedes to Mercedes for repair to the suspension ...... I should have just done the job myself and I wouldn't now have a barely passable repair to my passenger doors 

[tunnie]

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Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes. ....

Question, who do you think actually works on the car?

Some wise old man, who knows Renault since he was a little nipper. The wise old dog that knows them like the back of his hand?

No, it's some 17 year old kid who is reading instructions off a laptop.

Personally I think it's an expensive illusion, that you get best service from a dealer.

[STEMO]

Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.

Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......

[Nick W]

Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.

Just because you pay for it to be done, doesn't mean they actually do it. Especially when the person doing the job makes his bonus on turning jobs around much quicker than the booktime. Saving an hour not doing a job the customer will never know about is common. Not changing fuel filters is another dodge, or leaving the passenger side spark plugs on an Omega V6. The parts department love billing for, but not supplying the part. Their bonus depends largely on proftability percentages, and you can't beat 100%. This is also why magic treatments are pushed so enthusiastically - you won't know that they didn't pour in the oil flush(with added marketing-wank^tm)  that you paid for, before draining your oil.

[STEMO]

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Our Renault will go to the dealer, because it's obviously not the easiest car to work on and I have a dealer that I actually trust. Expensive? Yes. Done correctly? Yes. ....

Question, who do you think actually works on the car?

Some wise old man, who knows Renault since he was a little nipper. The wise old dog that knows them like the back of his hand?

No, it's some 17 year old kid who is reading instructions off a laptop.

Personally I think it's an expensive illusion, that you get best service from a dealer.

Did you read my post, Tunnie? I saw who worked on the car.

[tunnie]

Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.

Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......

So why buy one here? 

[STEMO]

Most cars have good and bad points, and I can only speak as I find. Our megane did 50000 miles over five years and never needed more than a service. I dare say others have had dogs. But you can't just just say that every French car is shite, or that every 'mechanic' is out to rip you off.

[STEMO]

Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.

Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......

So why buy one here? 

Because I wanted to and that's my choice. I couldn't imagine running round in an old barge..but there you go.

[Andy B]

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But you can't just just say that every French car is shite, or  .....

'Ours' is ...... an expensive one at that

[STEMO]

Oh....and when a Renault mechanic does the pollen filter, I'll bet it doesn't take very long at all, if you do it all day long..........

[tunnie]

Trouble is you have to pay labour for their shite designs, as Webby demonstrated above with pollen filter. You have to pay £70-100 per hour for that to be stripped out. Making a £10 job cost £200.

Have you read my post, Tunnie? Their design is fine and, in France, it would be a five minute job. Or Germany, Spain, Belgium blah blah......

So why buy one here? 

Because I wanted to and that's my choice. I couldn't imagine running round in an old barge..but there you go.

But many moons ago you had one? But chopped it in, due to I assume service costs?

[STEMO]

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But you can't just just say that every French car is shite, or  .....

'Ours' is ...... an expensive one at that

And rare....an acquired taste, I think.