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[TheBoy]

9 in 10 deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate since the start of the pandemic have coronavirus as the primary cause of death.

No, Doc Gollum and friends said all Covid deaths were caused by people getting knocked down by a bus....

Arguably far more fatal than a dose of TCV...

I would suggest that 6.2m families globally would disagree, and I bet there hasn't been 6.2m people killed in the last 2 years by a bus.

I know you enjoy figures, so for the UK only...
174,000 killed "with covid on the death cert" in the last 2 years
Taking the pre covid UK road deaths (because the figures are really low for last couple of years) is about 1800 a year - that's all road deaths, as I couldn't quickly find at "killed by a bus" stat.

So you are 50 times more likely to be killed by covid than you are to be killed on UK roads, let alone knocked down by a bus...


Is that definitive enough for you?

[Sir Tigger KC]

9 in 10 deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate since the start of the pandemic have coronavirus as the primary cause of death.

No, Doc Gollum and friends said all Covid deaths were caused by people getting knocked down by a bus....

Arguably far more fatal than a dose of TCV...

I would suggest that 6.2m families globally would disagree, and I bet there hasn't been 6.2m people killed in the last 2 years by a bus.

I know you enjoy figures, so for the UK only...
174,000 killed "with covid on the death cert" in the last 2 years
Taking the pre covid UK road deaths (because the figures are really low for last couple of years) is about 1800 a year - that's all road deaths, as I couldn't quickly find at "killed by a bus" stat.

So you are 50 times more likely to be killed by covid than you are to be killed on UK roads, let alone knocked down by a bus...


Is that definitive enough for you?

Can you definitely tell us how many of these were killed by a bus within 28 days of a positive covid test?   

[Doctor Gollum]

The whole point of the 'hit by a Bus' concept was to make the observation that dying within 28 days of a positive test regardless of actual cause does not a Covid death make.

How many of those 174,000 died waiting for treatment and caught Covid in hospital for unrelated issues?

Apparently 172,200 if you exclude being hit by a bus. 

[STEMO]

Why does any of this matter? Apart from some pathetic point scoring. Some people seem to forget that what we say or think really doesn't matter in the great scheme of things, the powers that be will do what they think is right, that's why we voted to make them the powers that be.
I hope that covid, or TCV for those of us that make up daft acronyms, will disappear eventually. But, if not, expect more countermeasures, like them or not.

[TheBoy]

The whole point of the 'hit by a Bus' concept was to make the observation that dying within 28 days of a positive test regardless of actual cause does not a Covid death make.

How many of those 174,000 died waiting for treatment and caught Covid in hospital for unrelated issues?

Apparently 172,200 if you exclude being hit by a bus. 

According to ONS, at least 9 in 10 of those "deaths within 28 days of a covid positive" are categorically caused by the person catching the virus and it killing them.  I'm sure you can do the maths, and don't need me to tell you that is at least 156,600 people in the UK directly killed by catching this.


Sadly, I know a good handful  :'(

[TheBoy]

I hope that covid, or TCV for those of us that make up daft acronyms, will disappear eventually. But, if not, expect more countermeasures, like them or not.

I think we all know the chinky sniffle is here to stay.  Different regimes are trying different tactics - the UK is now all about herd immunity* with probably annual/6 monthly jabs, the Chinese are trying the squash it as it arises.

At least in the UK, the vast majority of people just fell a bit unwell if they catch it. But lets not forget there are thousands who seem to struggle getting over it for months and months, and quite a lot of people are still dying.  Despite the fact its all over.




*probably more likely anything that seems a good news story, as lockdowns, lockdown parties, cost of living and the mess of brexit means the government are desperate to the point of cavalier to get some good press.