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[Andy B]

And another thing .....    I think, to a certain extent gwa has a point ----- I think that respect for the law, along with common sense in applying it, IS going down the toilet on both sides !!!!  And one feeds the other.

Agreed!
If you watch any of the many Traffic Police etc as well as the many 4r$e holes pulled by coppers I think that by having a camera behind them, a lot of coppers act up to it and act like John Wayne .. the law is the law .....

[HolyCount]

Not saying the Officer was and not saying she was either. Its a matter of perception, how (we'll call the officer He) he perceived she was driving, behaving and more importantly how he perceived she was in control or not.

Point is; its a £60 fine and 3 points, fair do's. But, if you challenge and go to Court, put up a good fight, deliver a good defense etc, they (the authorities) will still take the word of the Office against yours. Then they have the audacity to increase the fine and/or points. And this is NOT a Police State!   :-/ :-?

Oh, I actually believe she should have got more, cos it was well published in the media about girl getting nicked for eating a Mars Bar some years ago.....  

Yes, it would be interesting to see the stats on the outcomes ---- but TBH, if it gets to court, past the CPS, then th3e chances are you are on a loser evidence wise anyway ..... I say this because I know the CPS won't take a case to court unless they are dam sure of winning ( it make THEIR stas look better !!!!!!  And that is a real ball-ache to an officer who KNOWS dam well the offender is guilty, but CPS don't have the balls to go to court.

It is an unfortunate fact that morotists make the best and easiest targets because evidence is usually so black and white ( am I allowed to say "black and white " ?    )

[gwa]

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Oh, and the response from me quoted was not about breaking the law or not -- it was about the way you get treated when stopped -- so taken completely out of context

  :-?  :-?  :-?  I suppose it depends whether you know you're in the wrong or think you're in the right! As you say, argueing with a copper who's just pulled you for doing 47 in a 30 (me not you ) wouldn't exactly be a good move!    

True, and it was 40 Occifer  

To me, if you're doing over 40 in a 30 I think you've just got to take it on the chin.

BUT, if it's some other offense where where discretion, common sense, flexibility and a degree of sympathy etc can be used as factors to keep a generally ' good citizen' on the side of the law with a 'ticking off', they should be used. Unfortunately, the  Officers that were around when I was younger who used these 'tools' are no longer around. Its all down to quota's, targets and revenue.

Sorry to Labour the point (no pun intended) but Policing is changing and has been for a number of years and its only gonna get worse. There was recently a poll and the question was "would you step in to help a police officer in trouble" the NO count was high. So you need to ask why?. Speeding ticket, Parking etc etc.... General Public pi$$ed off.......

But Hey, we pay their wages!!! thats another thread though ...  

[gwa]

Not saying the Officer was and not saying she was either. Its a matter of perception, how (we'll call the officer He) he perceived she was driving, behaving and more importantly how he perceived she was in control or not.

Point is; its a £60 fine and 3 points, fair do's. But, if you challenge and go to Court, put up a good fight, deliver a good defense etc, they (the authorities) will still take the word of the Office against yours. Then they have the audacity to increase the fine and/or points. And this is NOT a Police State!   :-/ :-?

Oh, I actually believe she should have got more, cos it was well published in the media about girl getting nicked for eating a Mars Bar some years ago.....  

Yes, it would be interesting to see the stats on the outcomes ---- but TBH, if it gets to court, past the CPS, then th3e chances are you are on a loser evidence wise anyway ..... I say this because I know the CPS won't take a case to court unless they are dam sure of winning ( it make THEIR stas look better !!!!!!  And that is a real ball-ache to an officer who KNOWS dam well the offender is guilty, but CPS don't have the balls to go to court.

It is an unfortunate fact that morotists make the best and easiest targets because evidence is usually so black and white ( am I allowed to say "black and white " ?    )

Ooooh, you are soooooo right!

[HolyCount]

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Oh, and the response from me quoted was not about breaking the law or not -- it was about the way you get treated when stopped -- so taken completely out of context

  :-?  :-?  :-?  I suppose it depends whether you know you're in the wrong or think you're in the right! As you say, argueing with a copper who's just pulled you for doing 47 in a 30 (me not you ) wouldn't exactly be a good move!    

True, and it was 40 Occifer  

To me, if you're doing over 40 in a 30 I think you've just got to take it on the chin.

BUT, if it's some other offense where where discretion, common sense, flexibility and a degree of sympathy etc can be used as factors to keep a generally ' good citizen' on the side of the law with a 'ticking off', they should be used. Unfortunately, the  Officers that were around when I was younger who used these 'tools' are no longer around. Its all down to quota's, targets and revenue.

Sorry to Labour the point (no pun intended) but Policing is changing and has been for a number of years and its only gonna get worse. There was recently a poll and the question was "would you step in to help a police officer in trouble" the NO count was high. So you need to ask why?. Speeding ticket, Parking etc etc.... General Public pi$$ed off.......

But Hey, we pay their wages!!! thats another thread though ...  

Straying slightly off the point -- this target and quota driven mentality is the root of many, many troubles today --- instead of just letting people get on with their lives and do their jobs, some little bean counter somewhere needs boxes ticked and quotas met ----- "get twice as many done, doesn't matter if they fall apart ".

The worse part is that, nine times out of ten, the people setting targets and quotas have never actually done the job they are interfering with and just don't understand what they are doing !!!!

Rant over .... gonna fall off me horse now  

[dispondent 1]

the council , police are not accountable for there actions! however we all are , it is a nanny state!

[gwa]

the council , police are not accountable for there actions! however we all are , it is a nanny state!

Now thats another thread/discussion  

[gwa]

What! Given up have you..... I really enjoyed this thread. I'm even contemplating coming home from work early more often