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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #30 on: 23 February 2009, 11:10:56 »

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Yes I have killed a couple of Ford pool cars due to crap transmission,  ......

I can vouch that hired Sierra Saphires don't like being forced into 1st instead of 3rd at 50 mph  ::)  ::)
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #31 on: 23 February 2009, 11:19:34 »

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Yes I have killed a couple of Ford pool cars due to crap transmission,  ......

I can vouch that hired Sierra Saphires don't like being forced into 1st instead of 3rd at 50 mph  ::)  ::)
I can vouch that that most crappiest of all crap Vauxhall cars, the Mk2 Astra, doesn't like hitting 1st instead of 3rd at 70mph ::).  rather heap of shit, hated it before I bought it  >:(
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #32 on: 23 February 2009, 11:30:47 »

Sell the car and buy her a new washing machine ::) ;D
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #33 on: 23 February 2009, 11:50:49 »

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Sell the car and buy her a new washing machine ::) ;D

she's got one of them and its me that has to use it well guess at using it
messed up a few white shirts
the daughter has to have red uniform with a white shirt
you can guess the rest ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #34 on: 23 February 2009, 11:52:07 »

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Yes I have killed a couple of Ford pool cars due to crap transmission,  ......

I can vouch that hired Sierra Saphires don't like being forced into 1st instead of 3rd at 50 mph  ::)  ::)
I can vouch that that most crappiest of all crap Vauxhall cars, the Mk2 Astra, doesn't like hitting 1st instead of 3rd at 70mph ::).  rather heap of shit, hated it before I bought it  >:(

i killed a fiesta deisel before
70mph into first and straight off the clutch
engine revs hit the roof and pistons smashed out the engine
what a mess ;D
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #35 on: 23 February 2009, 12:15:28 »

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Sell the car and buy her a new washing machine ::) ;D

she's got one of them and its me that has to use it well guess at using it
messed up a few white shirts
the daughter has to have red uniform with a white shirt
you can guess the rest ;D ;D ;D ;D

LOL -- at least she is a girl!!!  When I was at school my mum put my (what was) white shreddies in with her maroon work overalls. I could have been mentally scarred for life going to school after that with pink undies ...... sports lessons were fraught for a while  :-[
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #36 on: 23 February 2009, 12:17:03 »

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Sell the car and buy her a new washing machine ::) ;D

she's got one of them and its me that has to use it well guess at using it
messed up a few white shirts
the daughter has to have red uniform with a white shirt
you can guess the rest ;D ;D ;D ;D

LOL -- at least she is a girl!!!  When I was at school my mum put my (what was) white shreddies in with her maroon work overalls. I could have been mentally scarred for life going to school after that with pink undies ...... sports lessons were fraught for a while  :-[


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #37 on: 23 February 2009, 21:07:50 »

From reading the lot, i'd say get another instructor - changing down after the corner?  I'd have been kicked out for trying that when i was learning!  Unless its changed, you get the right speed and gear for a corner BEFORE you turn the wheel..

Virtually all the people i know who have taken an Auto-only test have regretted it.. Even if she passes her test in a manual, then only has Autos afterwards, the option is still there..

I learnt in a Diesel Escort Mk4 - did one run around with my dad in my Mini and it took 2 lessons to undo what i was doing in my Mini (like taking corners in 3rd - but you can get away with that in a Mini..)

Try and find someone with a Corsa as (I agree with TB) a similar car will help the post-test transition.  My wife learnt in a Pug 106 diesel but had a 106 petrol as her first car - sort of familiar but different enough for her to learn different driving styles straight from the start.
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #38 on: 23 February 2009, 21:43:35 »

Try another approach. One of my first lessons was in my Dad's new K reg Cortina when i was 10. Before he'd let me drive i had to master the clutch, so on a slight incline he taught me to give the (1600 X-flow) engine enough revs to keep it from stalling & to engage then find the bite on the clutch pulling the car forward & letting it roll back a few inches either way without use of foot or handbrake before i was taught to move off & change gear. In effect he made me learn to do a hill start without a handbrake when i could hardly see over the "oval" wheel & tippy toes on the pedals.
     I did'nt learn how to change gear 'til i'd mastered that.
  
   No offence but maybe Ann would benefit from proper lessons. We all have our own way of learning. :y
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #39 on: 23 February 2009, 22:07:57 »

Agree with what others have said. Personally, I love the autobox for the majority of my driving because its that much more relaxing than a manual and, unless it was an Integra or something like for having some fun on country roads, Id certainly go for an autobox again over a manual. That said, youre going to understand the way an autobox works/feels better if youve learnt on a manual, purely because with a manual you have to learn about the gears. On top of that, as already said, just pass on an auto and your choices are limited! What happens, for eg, if your autobox is in for some work and the only courtesy cars are manuals?. As for clutch control, I remember being really poor at this until my ex father in law began to teach me and then I picked it up in no time. This was simply because we practiced just this (with no other distractions) on empty carparks or private land at a slow pace and very repetitively but not so that I'd get too stressed. One of the things a good instructor will do is be able to pick up on when the learner is getting too flustered at trying to perform a particular action. They'll get focused on trying to get it right but sometimes , when theyre in the "zone" they try too hard , get annoyed at themselves for not being able to do it, and consequently keep repeating their mistakes. Trick is to take a break, do something else, then go back to it later. If Ann isnt happy with her current instructor, then shop about. It can make all the difference :y
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #40 on: 23 February 2009, 22:20:07 »

Ok im sure no one will agree but get her an auto.

My mrs was driving around like she had passed her test with in a couple of lessons in an auto.

It does take a huge amount of pressure of you not having too worry about gear changes ect....its basically point and go.

Try and get her a quick go in an auto and im sure she will find it much more relaxed. :y

Oh and ok so if she passes in an auto whats stopping her going down the manual box route at a later stage....not that i could see why she would want too,lets face it manuals are bloody hard work. :y
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #41 on: 24 February 2009, 01:31:25 »

I agree with part of what you're saying but... I wouldn't in down the auto route yet... Give it a bit longer and a different instructor first. Auto only licences can be very restrictive! :y :y :y :y
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Re: advice needed about auto car
« Reply #42 on: 24 February 2009, 02:30:30 »

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Try another approach. One of my first lessons was in my Dad's new K reg Cortina when i was 10. Before he'd let me drive i had to master the clutch, so on a slight incline he taught me to give the (1600 X-flow) engine enough revs to keep it from stalling & to engage then find the bite on the clutch pulling the car forward & letting it roll back a few inches either way without use of foot or handbrake before i was taught to move off & change gear. In effect he made me learn to do a hill start without a handbrake when i could hardly see over the "oval" wheel & tippy toes on the pedals.
     I did'nt learn how to change gear 'til i'd mastered that.
  
   No offence but maybe Ann would benefit from proper lessons. We all have our own way of learning. :y

The whole thread is full of excellent advice, but if Ann doesn’t master the clutch then it spoils the rest of the lesson.  I agree with Amigomv6, and would find a quiet trading estate with an incline.  Then every now and again take a rest from the clutch control and go through the gears.

When I taught my Mum to drive after she had failed 3 tests with a woman instructor.  We first did clutch control, then I taught her to change gear every 10mph, 1st=10mph, 2nd=20mph and 3rd=30mph.

Then after this we moved on by teaching her to listen to the engine.  The problem I picked up on was that she had always been told when to change gear.  So we sussed the right sound for the engine, so she picked up on the slight judders to change down regardless of speed, and if the engine got noisy to change up.  She soon sussed this on the hill start clutch control.  Low revs the car bit and died, higher revs, she heard and felt the clutch bite, revs too high etc etc.

Did as much as she felt comfortable with, then one day without realizing we just continued off into the countryside with out her even realising.  All of a sudden it just sunk in for her, she listed to the engine, started changing gears every 10mph and then started to adapt to the noise of the engine.

A few mistakes like forgetting to indicate, a few stalls, bit by bit I said less to her, she dealt with her nerves slowly.  Till one day she was just driving where she wanted but told me her intentions as we went along and she got comfortable behind the wheel.  

Then one day on a big empty trading estate, we were heading for a T junction, plenty of all round view with no traffic,  Mum said she was going to turn right, she actually indicated left, I wondered what was about to happen, she suddenly realized her mistake and for some reason went straight out across the junction.  I didn’t panic but was getting ready to grab the hand brake.

She hit the brakes and stalled the car and as she did a car started to appear.  He had seen her and slowed, she applied the handbrake, put it in neutral, started the car, checked all round as you do, 1st gear, found the biting point and did a perfect move away in the right direction.  She pulled over properly and switched off and said.  "I completely buggered that up didn’t I"  When I asked her which bit and asked if she would ever do that again, she said no way she would ever screw a junction up like that ever again.  When I told her the rest was perfect, we then went home, and she said I am ready for test now.

She then passed nest attempt, and admitted she was so glad she didn’t take the automatic option that she was considering.

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