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[PhilRich]

Blimey 

Not cheap either  - Maybe worth ringing Telio, not sure where he is at with his LPG-A status.

I can't comment on all of them but....

1) What size vent did you use? I just used one came with my kit, surely thats enough?

2) I've had same problems, he must have wrenched it off, its not an amazing design..

3) thats just picky!

5)never heard of that, mine follows fuel lines and crosses them at one point. Fact fuel lines have to be replaced without moving gas lines its very picky, surely all other LPG gubbins has to be moved anyway to get to the fuel injection?  :-/

6) again, very picky!

7) mines as per guide  :-/

Everything i've done is per the guide Tunnie, & also used the vent hoses supplied with the kit too. If you look at your installation, mine is identical except my filler is cut into the rear quarter panel & my lpg reducer is a different make.

Did you have 2 vent pipes or just one? Sure I did comment in the guide that 2 were needed if the fill pipe is run through a vent hose too :-/

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Two vent pipes Paul 
My problem is the 3 core cable having a thick rubber insulation, plus I wrapped the whole cable length in loom tape to give added protection from the Elements which means the combined thickness of the gas line from tank to front kit + cable + loom tape reduced the internal free area of that vent pipe to below the required 450sq. mm.

[tunnie]

can i just check is this a safety certificate or full LPG-A?

They wont issue a full LPGA certificate because they did not do the instal Tunnie, they will only now issue a 'Compliance Letter'  to show the system complies with Cop 11 & enter the installation on the National Database (either Pass or Fail!). My Insurance Company (SAGA) say this will be satisfactory

Sounds a bit hard-core for just a compliance cert, i am sure Telio can sort these basic certs 

I really should get mine compliance certificated

[PhilRich]

possibly 6 and 8 i would act on, all the others are 'dangle berries', i have a cert sat here and you would find all the other "faults" on mine.

On the one hand i can sort of understand the approach, if the car bursts into flames with his name registered on the cert he's in real trouble. But on the other he really is taking the piss there imo.

Address as many of the faults best you can, or at least be seen to do something with each one to improve it. Then take it back and ask advice on how he wants you to procede with any further issues, and do as he sugests.

Ime they are much more ameanable once they see that you "want the car right" to quote the guy who did mine.

Thanks Chris, I agree with everything you are saying mate, & yes I will take your advice on board

[Lazydocker]

Blimey 

Not cheap either  - Maybe worth ringing Telio, not sure where he is at with his LPG-A status.

I can't comment on all of them but....

1) What size vent did you use? I just used one came with my kit, surely thats enough?

2) I've had same problems, he must have wrenched it off, its not an amazing design..

3) thats just picky!

5)never heard of that, mine follows fuel lines and crosses them at one point. Fact fuel lines have to be replaced without moving gas lines its very picky, surely all other LPG gubbins has to be moved anyway to get to the fuel injection?  :-/

6) again, very picky!

7) mines as per guide  :-/

Everything i've done is per the guide Tunnie, & also used the vent hoses supplied with the kit too. If you look at your installation, mine is identical except my filler is cut into the rear quarter panel & my lpg reducer is a different make.

Did you have 2 vent pipes or just one? Sure I did comment in the guide that 2 were needed if the fill pipe is run through a vent hose too :-/

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Two vent pipes Paul 
My problem is the 3 core cable having a thick rubber insulation, plus I wrapped the whole cable length in loom tape to give added protection from the Elements which means the combined thickness of the gas line from tank to front kit + cable + loom tape reduced the internal free area of that vent pipe to below the required 450sq. mm.

Hmm... Did he actually measure it accurately? With 2 vent hoses it should have been fine... Unless you had LIC (thick Rubber type) filler hose through the vent?

[Chris_H]

If they are not going to charge for re-inspection it's difficult to conclude that they are doing anything other than their job as they see it.

It may be a pain in the backside, but when I pay for an inspection, I am hoping to learn something worthwhile rather than just get a rubber-stamp.

You seem to have given other listers something to think about regarding quality DIY LPG installs.

Sorry it's a pain though.

[PhilRich]

If they are not going to charge for re-inspection it's difficult to conclude that they are doing anything other than their job as they see it.It may be a pain in the backside, but when I pay for an inspection, I am hoping to learn something worthwhile rather than just get a rubber-stamp.

You seem to have given other listers something to think about regarding quality DIY LPG installs.

Sorry it's a pain though.

Absolutely agree with you Chris
I am actually impressed with their thoroughness, after all I carry my Family in the car for goodness sake, so anything less than 110% is not on IMHO
Unfortunately, having just said that, I am also of the opinion that there is a concerted effort by the LPG Association & 'other' vested interests to have DIY installs outlawed totally as happened with Domestic Gas Installers and the 'CORGI' registration scheme (as was), & this is driving the lpg-a installers to either refuse to even look at a diy install, or else impose 'nit-picking' restrictions that actually make the install 'overengineered' in the name of safety :-/.
In my experience, Regulation/Registration doesn't remove the 'cowboy/bad Installer', it merely gives them more business initially, as everyone MUST then use their services in order to obtain Motor Insurance etc. As time goes by & people with bad experiences spread the word & work dries up, then the 'baddies' go to the wall or move on to other things.
Anyone on this forum who has fitted their own system using the excellent guides will tell you that the work detailed therein, if carried out using due diligence & common sense should satisfy the wording & intent of the COP11 Regulations. 

[feeutfo]

can i just check is this a safety certificate or full LPG-A?

They wont issue a full LPGA certificate because they did not do the instal Tunnie, they will only now issue a 'Compliance Letter'  to show the system complies with Cop 11 & enter the installation on the National Database (either Pass or Fail!). My Insurance Company (SAGA) say this will be satisfactory

Safety certificate, as said you won't get an LPGA certificate for your own diy install.

[feeutfo]

If they are not going to charge for re-inspection it's difficult to conclude that they are doing anything other than their job as they see it.It may be a pain in the backside, but when I pay for an inspection, I am hoping to learn something worthwhile rather than just get a rubber-stamp.

You seem to have given other listers something to think about regarding quality DIY LPG installs.

Sorry it's a pain though.

Absolutely agree with you Chris
I am actually impressed with their thoroughness, after all I carry my Family in the car for goodness sake, so anything less than 110% is not on IMHO
Unfortunately, having just said that, I am also of the opinion that there is a concerted effort by the LPG Association & 'other' vested interests to have DIY installs outlawed totally as happened with Domestic Gas Installers and the 'CORGI' registration scheme (as was), & this is driving the lpg-a installers to either refuse to even look at a diy install, or else impose 'nit-picking' restrictions that actually make the install 'overengineered' in the name of safety :-/.
In my experience, Regulation/Registration doesn't remove the 'cowboy/bad Installer', it merely gives them more business initially, as everyone MUST then use their services in order to obtain Motor Insurance etc. As time goes by & people with bad experiences spread the word & work dries up, then the 'baddies' go to the wall or move on to other things.
Anyone on this forum who has fitted their own system using the excellent guides will tell you that the work detailed therein, if carried out using due diligence & common sense should satisfy the wording & intent of the COP11 Regulations. 

Agree re thoroughness, but two thoughts occur, 1 I'd be very interested to see one of his installs with the same level of detail. 2 I'd consider testing mine again and produce a certificate when he fails it!

[Lazydocker]

If they are not going to charge for re-inspection it's difficult to conclude that they are doing anything other than their job as they see it.It may be a pain in the backside, but when I pay for an inspection, I am hoping to learn something worthwhile rather than just get a rubber-stamp.

You seem to have given other listers something to think about regarding quality DIY LPG installs.

Sorry it's a pain though.

Absolutely agree with you Chris
I am actually impressed with their thoroughness, after all I carry my Family in the car for goodness sake, so anything less than 110% is not on IMHO
Unfortunately, having just said that, I am also of the opinion that there is a concerted effort by the LPG Association & 'other' vested interests to have DIY installs outlawed totally as happened with Domestic Gas Installers and the 'CORGI' registration scheme (as was), & this is driving the lpg-a installers to either refuse to even look at a diy install, or else impose 'nit-picking' restrictions that actually make the install 'overengineered' in the name of safety :-/.
In my experience, Regulation/Registration doesn't remove the 'cowboy/bad Installer', it merely gives them more business initially, as everyone MUST then use their services in order to obtain Motor Insurance etc. As time goes by & people with bad experiences spread the word & work dries up, then the 'baddies' go to the wall or move on to other things.
Anyone on this forum who has fitted their own system using the excellent guides will tell you that the work detailed therein, if carried out using due diligence & common sense should satisfy the wording & intent of the COP11 Regulations. 

Agree re thoroughness, but two thoughts occur, 1 I'd be very interested to see one of his installs with the same level of detail. 2 I'd consider testing mine again and produce a certificate when he fails it!

The guides are just that... Guides. I did try to cover all COP 11 details but you can't account for someone being over picky

Put it this way... Teilo is happy with mine and he's a "Professional"

He even commented that it's tidier than most "professionals" turn out (as we all know)