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[PhilRich]

Well, me & swmbo have just got back from Durham after taking the car for its LPG certification and it's FAILED
I must have picked the most professional or nit picking place in the Country depending on which way you look at it!
Now whatever the rights or wrongs of this place, it appears it is the ONLY choice of venue in the North East of England open to me to gain the certificate, so I have GOT to play by their rules & redo the work required for a pass, plus it has just cost me £117.50 (inc. vat). On the plus side, (if there IS a plus side? :-/) they are not going to charge me any extra for the re-inspection
Reasons for failing were as follows:
1) Vent free area less than 450sq. mm because the electrical cabling is too thick, which combined with the fuel pipe, takes up too much free area!!!!
2) The flexible vent pipe pulled off the air box end despite being tightened to the point where the jubilee clip was starting to cut into the plastic wall!!
3) The 'top hat' vent through the boot floor has the champfered end facing the 'wrong' way, so forward motion will cause airflow to force any vented gas back up the vent pipe? Turning it 180deg. will 'solve' this!
4) Teilo's installation diagram clearly shows an earth connection attached to a multivalve fixing bolt inside the airtightbox on a single hole tank (as mine is). This is an ABSOLUTE NO NO in the UK apparently? and as there is no other provision anywhere on the tank itself, where am I supposed to fix an earth? :-?
5) Gas pipe & wiring routed across petrol lines in front wheel arch. Apparently, petrol lines are supposed to be able to be replaced without disturbing lpg gas line? (which means all you guys would fail on your installations at this place too!!! )
6) Rubber gas piping in engine bay not secured so as to prevent chaffing against other components.
7) Lpg loom Battery terminal connectors not soldered & heat shrink insulated on wire crimped connectors?? (they come ready connected with eyelet fittings, there is no mention anywhere about soldering & insulating the crimping??).
Emissions fail. 10% reduction not achieved.
CO2 emissions on Petrol are: 13.9?
CO2       "         on gas    are: 13.2?
Hydrocarbons on Petrol are:  11?
        "             on gas     are:  16?



As to the emissions, my eml has been coming on intermittently and showing P1070 lean exhaust? any ideas on how to cure this?

Other than the 'little niggles' :-? :-/ above, he said the install was neat & well done!!

Also, as I stated in an earlier lpg post, the system of a National lpg database showing whether lpga inspected vehicles have passed or failed IS THE TRUTH & has been up & running for the past 17 days!, so whether some of you guys believe it or not, it is a reality!

[tunnie]

Blimey 

Not cheap either  - Maybe worth ringing Telio, not sure where he is at with his LPG-A status.

I can't comment on all of them but....

1) What size vent did you use? I just used one came with my kit, surely thats enough?

2) I've had same problems, he must have wrenched it off, its not an amazing design..

3) thats just picky!

5)never heard of that, mine follows fuel lines and crosses them at one point. Fact fuel lines have to be replaced without moving gas lines its very picky, surely all other LPG gubbins has to be moved anyway to get to the fuel injection?  :-/

6) again, very picky!

7) mines as per guide  :-/

[Jimbob]

unlucky 

[Lazydocker]

Unfortunately Phil it seems you have fallen foul to someone who resents the fact people are DIY fitting and not paying him somewhere in the region of £1500 labour charges for 5 days work

This is becoming more and more common according to Teilo and he's been having troubles getting full LPGA approval/certification rights because the "Big Boys" who pay a lot to the LPGA are/were blocking him. Not sure if that is resolved or not now :-/

Unfortunately, when you DIY and need a cert you are stuck!

As for the emissions/light... Sounds like you need to play with the calibration some more. AFAIK Tunnie's car doesn't do it

[tunnie]

Unfortunately Phil it seems you have fallen foul to someone who resents the fact people are DIY fitting and not paying him somewhere in the region of £1500 labour charges for 5 days work

This is becoming more and more common according to Teilo and he's been having troubles getting full LPGA approval/certification rights because the "Big Boys" who pay a lot to the LPGA are/were blocking him. Not sure if that is resolved or not now :-/

Unfortunately, when you DIY and need a cert you are stuck!

As for the emissions/light... Sounds like you need to play with the calibration some more. AFAIK Tunnie's car doesn't do it

No issues here  (and no tunnie bulb removing bodges done either  )

[Lazydocker]

Unfortunately Phil it seems you have fallen foul to someone who resents the fact people are DIY fitting and not paying him somewhere in the region of £1500 labour charges for 5 days work

This is becoming more and more common according to Teilo and he's been having troubles getting full LPGA approval/certification rights because the "Big Boys" who pay a lot to the LPGA are/were blocking him. Not sure if that is resolved or not now :-/

Unfortunately, when you DIY and need a cert you are stuck!

As for the emissions/light... Sounds like you need to play with the calibration some more. AFAIK Tunnie's car doesn't do it

No issues here  (and no tunnie bulb removing bodges done either  )

And the vaporiser used for T's conversion is borderline on power output. Just play with the calibration... You'll get it there in the end

[tunnie]

Is the EML coming on when giving it large on revs? Mines a Tomasetto vaporiser and rated at 140bhp, i find with a full ish tank its fine right up to 5.2k rpm, when tank is low tends to falter slightly.

But i've never had any issues with EML from word go, testament to Paul's wiring 

[Dishevelled Den]

A bit of sad news there Phil but as you say, (indirectly), they have you by the stones - having paid out the inspection fee.

Maybe there won't be too much messing about to so when you come to rectify matters to their satisfaction.

[PhilRich]

Blimey 

Not cheap either  - Maybe worth ringing Telio, not sure where he is at with his LPG-A status.

I can't comment on all of them but....

1) What size vent did you use? I just used one came with my kit, surely thats enough?

2) I've had same problems, he must have wrenched it off, its not an amazing design..

3) thats just picky!

5)never heard of that, mine follows fuel lines and crosses them at one point. Fact fuel lines have to be replaced without moving gas lines its very picky, surely all other LPG gubbins has to be moved anyway to get to the fuel injection?  :-/

6) again, very picky!

7) mines as per guide  :-/

Everything i've done is per the guide Tunnie, & also used the vent hoses supplied with the kit too. If you look at your installation, mine is identical except my filler is cut into the rear quarter panel & my lpg reducer is a different make.

[PhilRich]

Thanks for your comments & support guys, it is much appreciated as always

[tunnie]

can i just check is this a safety certificate or full LPG-A?

[Lazydocker]

Blimey 

Not cheap either  - Maybe worth ringing Telio, not sure where he is at with his LPG-A status.

I can't comment on all of them but....

1) What size vent did you use? I just used one came with my kit, surely thats enough?

2) I've had same problems, he must have wrenched it off, its not an amazing design..

3) thats just picky!

5)never heard of that, mine follows fuel lines and crosses them at one point. Fact fuel lines have to be replaced without moving gas lines its very picky, surely all other LPG gubbins has to be moved anyway to get to the fuel injection?  :-/

6) again, very picky!

7) mines as per guide  :-/

Everything i've done is per the guide Tunnie, & also used the vent hoses supplied with the kit too. If you look at your installation, mine is identical except my filler is cut into the rear quarter panel & my lpg reducer is a different make.

Did you have 2 vent pipes or just one? Sure I did comment in the guide that 2 were needed if the fill pipe is run through a vent hose too :-/

[feeutfo]

possibly 6 and 8 i would act on, all the others are 'dangle berries', i have a cert sat here and you would find all the other "faults" on mine.

On the one hand i can sort of understand the approach, if the car bursts into flames with his name registered on the cert he's in real trouble. But on the other he really is taking the piss there imo.

Address as many of the faults best you can, or at least be seen to do something with each one to improve it. Then take it back and ask advice on how he wants you to procede with any further issues, and do as he sugests.

Ime they are much more ameanable once they see that you "want the car right" to quote the guy who did mine.

[tunnie]

Chris is yours LPG-A or just safety cert?

[PhilRich]

can i just check is this a safety certificate or full LPG-A?

They wont issue a full LPGA certificate because they did not do the instal Tunnie, they will only now issue a 'Compliance Letter'  to show the system complies with Cop 11 & enter the installation on the National Database (either Pass or Fail!). My Insurance Company (SAGA) say this will be satisfactory